Rumor: Trade Rumours Thread XIV: Rangers gauging interest on Callahan/Girardi

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I understand that concept. There's also the idea that you don't trade him just for the purpose of trading him. That's what a "fair" deal would be for this particular player.

Team needs to over inflate their offer to pry him from us. That should be Sather's hardline.

So how about a 2nd liner and a 1st?

 

[Gardner McKay]

The thing is you're not going to get a good young top six player in return for Callahan because you're essentially traded an older, soon to be UFA 2nd line player. The intangibles and all that crap just aren't enough for a team to say "sure we'll give you this young guy who could be a legit scoring threat in a few years"

The value is in the cap space you save, the draft pick(s) you might get, and the useful roster player you can get in return, not necessarily in immediately improving the roster

I agree that we won't get a good young top 6 player. Sather would have to make up his mind on what he wants.

Look for a return (not necessarily size wise) like Gaborik got. Nothing special but it helped this team out for depth.

Or take a gamble on a young prospect who may or may not ever pan out to be an NHLer.

 

[Levitate]

agree, Stralman is not going anywhere. No team is going to sign him for more money than the Rangers will throw at him, because he is an underrated and unknown 2nd or 3rd pair defenseman...

Yeah I tend to think the Rangers aren't really keen on trading D away any more D right now. It sounds great to say "well sure they'll have McIlrath or Allen or whoever ready to step in!" but remember the team is in a playoff spot, and I sincerely doubt they'll be interested in throwing a rookie onto the team just in time for the playoff push.

I know you guys seem to think this is a big "tear it down" movement but the Rangers really are not going to just trade all of their pending UFA's for the hell of it, they're trying to make the playoffs and hope they can make some noise. You don't tear your team apart in the middle of that.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I agree that we won't get a good young top 6 player. Sather would have to make up his mind on what he wants.

Look for a return (not necessarily size wise) like Gaborik got. Nothing special but it helped this team out for depth.

Or take a gamble on a young prospect who may or may not ever pan out to be an NHLer.

So a Russian prospect

 

[Let Blaine Die]

if girardi signs this deal, its stralman thats likely gone. they both play teh right side and with klein locked up and dylan mcilrath close, thats 4 righties

staal may not want to resign but his being dealt wouldnt be based upon resigning girardi.

That's what I'd imagine too. Signing Girardi to a 5-6 year deal spells doom for Stralman getting re-signed because we'd have Klein signed for the next 4 years at a very team friendly 2.9 AAV, and then Girardi signed for the next 5-6 years at 5-5.5 AAV. McIlrath will be ready next year (dear god he better be), so the money that would be given to Stralman would be better used towards raises for our young forwards. Then again, we could re-sign Stralman, start the year with him next year as an insurance policy, and then trade him next season when McIlrath is ready.

Either way, I hate it. Stralman has been our best defenseman behind McDonagh this year. It would suck to lose him, but the re-signing of Girardi looks like it will be the end of him on Broadway whether it be this year or next.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

if girardi signs this deal, its stralman thats likely gone. they both play teh right side and with klein locked up and dylan mcilrath close, thats 4 righties

staal may not want to resign but his being dealt wouldnt be based upon resigning girardi.

Look up how many points AV's defenses in Vancouver put up in his last 3 seasons. Between 150 and 180 points each season.

Girardi will put up maybe 20 points. Staal will put up maybe 25 points. Stralman's lost all offense. Moore will put up maybe 15-20 on a consistent basis. Klein will put up like what, 10? McDonough between 40-45?

So that puts us at about 105-115 points for our defenseman, combined?

We just traded for Klein. We have a defensive defenseman prospect waiting to come up in McIlrath.

We lack a point shot. Staal's intentions seem muddled, at best. Having 4 defensive defenseman isn't what Vigneault prefers. He's the coach for 4 more seasons. He'll have input.

Love Staal, more so than Girardi, but keeping both is a reflection on a Torts style of play, and AV will change that.

 

[Gardner McKay]

So a Russian prospect

I don't even know how to respond to this. You mean a guy like Zherdev who scored 20+ goals for us?

 

[NYR Viper]

You'd hate to see Callahan go, but if that's the haul you could get for him, how do you say no?

Why do you move Stralman, though?

I don't think Sather and the Rangers feel the need to sign both Stralman and Girardi with the addition of Klein. They have Allen and McIlrath close to being NHL ready for the 3rd pairing who are more cost effective.

Instead of just losing him for nothing, they can get something for him

 

[Levitate]

^^^ Again, probably not in the middle of a playoff push

What's muddled abotu Staal's intentions? He's under contract and hasn't really said anything about what he wants in his future. Let's not get crazy here

 

[NYR Viper]

What's muddled abotu Staal's intentions? He's under contract and hasn't really said anything about what he wants in his future. Let's not get crazy here

Yeah, take it as it comes. That's a full year away. No rush. Maybe by that time Allen and McIlrath have shown they can be a solid 3rd pairing and Moore and Klein look like legit top-4 d-men together. A lot can happen in a year. Just let is play out.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

I really like our D core, right now. A lot of balance.

Problem is they barely score, and that's a problem.

1. I like the core, but I love the stability. Resign Staal and Stralman (who aren't going to command huge salaries with the years they are having), give a reasonable 4 year deal to Moore, and you can lock in a Top 6 for the next 3 years, a few of whom have movable contracts should one of the youngsters work his way into lineup. I tend to be a big believer in consistency in the defensive zone as a staple of a true contender.

2. Who is the chick in your avatar, I'd like to see more.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

So how about a 2nd liner and a 1st?

I think you need a solid vet back, an aspiring 3rd liner who's young and controllable, and a mid-late 1st round pick.

Who's the solid vet that will take Cally's minutes coming back from Colorado?

Mid-late first check. McGinn as the aspiring 3rd liner check. Where's the last component? It's the key one.

 

[Raspewtin]

^^^ Again, probably not in the middle of a playoff push

What's muddled abotu Staal's intentions? He's under contract and hasn't really said anything about what he wants in his future. Let's not get crazy here

Agreed.

Other than the usual "he's going to bolt for Carolina" stuff, I really don't see any evidence that he won't sign, other than that one ominous quote from Eddie Olczyk.

 

[NYR Viper]

^^^ Again, probably not in the middle of a playoff push

What's muddled abotu Staal's intentions? He's under contract and hasn't really said anything about what he wants in his future. Let's not get crazy here

So they are willing to trade Callahan in order to not lose the asset for nothing but not Stralman? Seems silly, no?

 

[Levitate]

So they are willing to trade Callahan in order to not lose the asset for nothing but not Stralman? Seems silly, no?

No, it doesn't seem silly. Losing Stralman makes the defense weaker than losing Callahan makes the forwards.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

^^^ Again, probably not in the middle of a playoff push

What's muddled abotu Staal's intentions? He's under contract and hasn't really said anything about what he wants in his future. Let's not get crazy here

I don't think in the middle of the p.o push. In the offseason though?

And the fact that he hasn't resigned? Eddie O specifically saying that he doesn't believe he'll resign? His brothers combining to form a super Staal team in Carolina, sans Marc as of right now?

This topic has been discussed for over a year now since Jordan was traded for. He's deflected the few times they've asked him about his intentions.

 

[aufheben]

I'd argue Stepan is better than Richards....



They're equal I guess. Both have 1 cup.

False.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I agree that we won't get a good young top 6 player. Sather would have to make up his mind on what he wants.

Look for a return (not necessarily size wise) like Gaborik got. Nothing special but it helped this team out for depth.

Or take a gamble on a young prospect who may or may not ever pan out to be an NHLer.

I wouldnt mind that if it was a third piece of the deal. I think you have to get a roster player back, preferably a young one considering the question marks this team has going forward.

Speed, puck handling ability. Some grittyness wouldnt hurt. McGinn hasnt been that great though.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I don't even know how to respond to this. You mean a guy like Zherdev who scored 20+ goals for us?

I'd just rather not gamble especially since we're trading our captain...I want a guarantee 20+ goal scorer

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I don't think in the middle of the p.o push. In the offseason though?

And the fact that he hasn't resigned? Eddie O specifically saying that he doesn't believe he'll resign? His brothers combining to form a super Staal team in Carolina, sans Marc as of right now?

This topic has been discussed for over a year now since Jordan was traded for. He's deflected the few times they've asked him about his intentions.

Why would Staal have re-signed already? He's under contract through next year. It's too early to even start talking extension with him.

Of course he's going to deflect that question. Why would he give any team leverage over negotiations that are over a year out by tipping his hand? Doesn't mean he is leaving NY.

 

[Fitzy]

I think some of you have overvalued Stralman's defensive abilities. He's not bad. He's not substantially better than a lot of 2-3 million dollar defensemen, either.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

The Rangers have sent Girardi two-offers, one for SIX-YEARS at more than $5 million and one that is FIVE-YEARS and worth more than $5.5 million.*(NY Post)

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'd just rather not gamble especially since we're trading our captain...I want a guarantee 20+ goal scorer

I want a Lambo and 30 million dollars. Lets try to be realistic shall we? You want a guaranteed 20 goal scorer for a guy who this year is not a 20 goalscorer?

If that is the case than teams will just keep their own player.

You either take a slightly lesser package of multiple pieces or have a blue chip forward prospect + pick coming back.

You take the guarantee or you don't. You won't get both.

The Rangers have sent Girardi two-offers, one for SIX-YEARS at more than $5 million and one that is FIVE-YEARS and worth more than $5.5 million.*(NY Post)

You are a few pages late on that one.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

You are a few pages late on that one.

Just wanted to post it for people just getting on

 

[NYR Viper]

No, it doesn't seem silly. Losing Stralman makes the defense weaker than losing Callahan makes the forwards.

I disagree, move Klein up, he can play top-4