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[Raoul Duke]

The jokinen is a odd one. Trading a player 10 games in that just signed is not the best idea.

If it's true, it's insanity.
Is there a plan of any sort?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If Maroon wants more than 4 he can walk. At some point Chia has to start negotiating discounts.

 

[Crude]

Following NYR scouting Bako on the weekend, maybe a three way is in the works?

To EDM: Kreider
To NYR: Galchenyuk
To MTL: RNH

 

[Soundwave]

I don't. But apparently you have a time machine that allows you to jump forward and see Maroon as a $5 million dollar, twenty-five goal man for the next five seasons.
If he falters though, I'm sure you'll gloss over everything you've just posted, jump all over Maroon and get back to telling the board how 'line drivers' are the only players worth big dollar contracts.
And stop trying to change what you said from 'at least $5 million' to $4 million. It's weak.

I'm saying I understand why his agent would ask for that. It's actually on the low end of what UFA wingers ask for in the current NHL for more than 25 goals. Goal scorers are hard to come by in this league, this team should know that better than anyone, there's no "goal scoring supermarket" where you can pick up a couple like grocery produce.

Beyond that Patty is f***ing hungry. You can see it in the games, who wants it and who is just OK going through the motions. Maroon gives 2nd and 3rd efforts on shifts where many guys are bee-lining to the bench.

This guy has all the tools to play with McDavid and he is going to have a good season because he is super motivated to do so. Unfortunately for us, 90% of the rest of the roster has no such urgency in their game at all.

If everyone on this roster played like Maroon, we'd win the Stanley Cup this year. But alas, a good number of players here are content with 1/2 the effort/results.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I'm saying I understand why his agent would ask for that. It's actually on the low end of what UFA wingers ask for in the current NHL for more than 25 goals.

Beyond that Patty is ****ing hungry. You can see it in the games, who wants it and who is just OK going through the motions. Maroon gives 2nd and 3rd efforts on shifts where many guys are bee-lining to the bench.

This guy has all the tools to play with McDavid and he is going to have a good season because he is super motivated to do so. Unfortunately for us, 90% of the rest of the roster has no such urgency in their game at all.

If everyone on this roster played like Maroon, we'd win the Stanley Cup this year. But alas, a good number of players here are content with 1/2 the effort/results.

I see what you see on this one. He's a quality player. His agent will want significant dollars.
I don't think it will matter though. With the Big 2 contracts we can afford 1 big scoring forward contract. Lucic has it. I doubt he'd waive his NTC, I doubt he'd even be asked to. Some people are cool with that.
I don't see what they see.
Maybe Maroon will be the first oiler to actually take a discount. It's possible, I guess.
More likely, he's gone next season. Him and RNH.

 

[harpoon]

Goal scorers are hard to come by in this league, this team should know that better than anyone, there's no "goal scoring supermarket" where you can pick up a couple like grocery produce.

Yet you natter on for months slamming and discediting the guy who is number f***ing 24 on this list. Keep up the no consistency posts.

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-7-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html

 

[Soundwave]

Yet you natter on for months slamming and discediting the guy who is number ****ing 24 on this list. Keep up the no consistency posts.

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-7-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html

7 year period stats don't mean shit to me. I don't care what you did 5 years ago. I don't even care about 2 years ago. Who's playing for the Oilers on Wedensday? Who can we rely on to bring it? That's all I care about.

I don't care if your name is Smelly McPants A lot. If you put on a Oilers jersey NOW and outperform Lucic/RNH/ and give us 25-30 goals ... you're in my good book.

Games are not played in the past. I don't give a shit what you did years ago. All that matters is what you are bringing to ice tonight.

How many Oilers on this team aside from McDavid/Draisaitl even try to make a play like Maroon does 1 on 3 against the Flyers to score a goal? Against Pittsburgh late in the shift when he could've just dumped the puck, how many Oilers have the sense to instead throw the puck into an area where McDavid might be and he scores a goal to tie the game?

That's all I care about man. I don't care that you did a fancy toe drag against Calgary four years ago and now you think I should respect you because of that. What are you bringing tonight? What are you bringing this year? Can we expect 100% of your ability? No? You want to give me excuses instead? Well then yeah I'm sorry but I have a problem with that. I don't have respect players that "coast" on past legacy.

 

[Joey Moss]

Following NYR scouting Bako on the weekend, maybe a three way is in the works?

To EDM: Kreider
To NYR: Galchenyuk
To MTL: RNH

Wouldn't we just take Galchenyuk for ourselves and leave NYR out?

 

[MessierII]

He's way better than Lucic of today. He is far more agile, far smarter, has a way better shot release, way better hockey I.Q.

The only thing current Lucic is better at is fighting.

The only reason Lucic had more points is because Maroon was not given that spot on the top unit PP, but even that Maroon has now taken that spot away from Lucic.

Lucic 3-4 years ago OK. But Lucic is not that guy anymore. Barely even notice this guy on the ice these days at all unless he's turning the puck over, was a complete ghost in the playoffs as well.

Maroon has taken every job away from Lucic. 1st line LW? Taken. Big PF to play with McDavid? Taken. Net front presence on top unit PP ... bye bye Lucic. You've been replaced at your job 3/3 now. But hey don't worry. Enjoy the $6 million per.

Lucic is pretty plainly in the "I did my thing, got paid, got my ring, time to coast for the rest of my career" phase of his career. Entitled veteran who's content to ride off his overpaid contract and not show up for a lot of nights. If he's "way better than Maroon", why is Lucic the one constantly losing his job to Maroon?

Lucic has a long proven history of producing without a generational player stapled to him and is a year younger. Maroon has one good season. Your argument is null and void. Lucic was our best pp player last year he’s not going to be off that unit for long. If he wasn’t straddled to the offensive black hole that is Ryan nugent Hopkins he’d probably be right back into 55-60 point form and is still the strongest most physical player on the team hands down.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Wouldn't we just take Galchenyuk for ourselves and leave NYR out?

Kreider is a 50 point player, much rather get him.

 

[harpoon]

you're in my good book.

Something every NHLer strives for. Being in Soundwave's good books. And its a real page turner mind you. Never mind the sticky problem of guaranteed contracts or anything. If you are producing today he's ready to sign you up for $5 million. If not? On to the next page.

Somehow you don't seem to realize that what you are saying is exactly what causes the Oilers to have the sort of players you call 'over priced, no heart trash' the minute they stop living up to their deals.
Oh look, he's producing. He seems 'hungry'. Let's hand him a lot of money. Oh wait. He seems to be resting on his laurels and floating around. Where can we unload him for pennies on the dollar?

I submit that at the end of the day the career stats mean everything to an NHL player. And Jordan Eberle will go down as the better player than Patrick Maroon in every NHL book ever written.
But you can go with your version I guess.

 

[ujju2]

Don't want to trade RNH though. I like Kreider, but I'd rather do the unproven prospect in Puljujarvi than the proven centre in RNH.

 

[rickysusedsht]

yikes we only have a 12.6% chance to make the playoffs

we have to go 38-24-10 to have a 63.2% chance to make it

what!!! yikes thats brutal

Following NYR scouting Bako on the weekend, maybe a three way is in the works?

To EDM: Kreider
To NYR: Galchenyuk
To MTL: RNH

Or the oilers have been cut out of any deal that may or may not have been in the works

 

[guymez]

In terms of the core of the team I'm looking at this from a broader scope than just one year.

I look at things in a broader sense than that.

What does this even mean?
It really is a simple question.....why do you think that it was impossible for this team to miss the playoffs this season.

 

[McFlyingV]

Wouldn't we just take Galchenyuk for ourselves and leave NYR out?

Kind of defeats the purpose of the trade, no? We want to get faster, and Galchenyuk is slower than RNH while Kreider is one of the fastest players in the league.

 

[LMFAO]

Duclair a healthy scratch tonight...STEP UP CHIA

 

[Stud Muffin]

Duclair a healthy scratch tonight...STEP UP CHIA

Ummmm... No thanks. That would actually be a step down.

 

[t0nedeff]

Kreider is a 50 point player, much rather get him.

What? Galchenyuk put up 44 points last year in 61 games. If he would have played the entire year he probably would have matched Kreiders numbers.

 

[Canovin]

Ummmm... No thanks. That would actually be a step down.

Step down from what we have? Lol

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Duclair a healthy scratch tonight...STEP UP CHIA

If we trade an asset of Strome's caliber or worse for Duclair, I will dislike Chiarelli just a little bit less.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Hearing some rumblings about Oilers looking at Galchenyuk.... Pooly plus may be the return.

Drop me a message regarding your source.

Stauffer is hitting on the same note as Friedman in that we need more speed in the line-up, I'm guessing if we make any changes it will be specifically to address that issue.

That was apparent even last season. Faster teams always gave us fits, that's why I dreaded facing Nashville last spring.

The moment McDavid and Drai signed those contracts, it already sealed the fate of the team moving forward. It comes to no surprise that most of our depth will consists of rookies, AHL, and over the hill players. It'll be this way until the cap goes up to 90M

Agreed, and while Connor's new deal hasn't kicked in yet, being a shade over 1ppg is a far cry from earning his contract. I hope for his sake that he come out of the gate a lot better next season.

 

[guymez]

To be honest I havent paid much attention to Glachenyuk the past few years.
I am hearing that he is quite poor on Faceoffs...how is his skating? Is he able to think the game at a high level?
I have a lot of time for smart players.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Kreider>>Duclair>Galchenyuk

I'd take any and all of them on the Oilers though as they would all be solid additions.

Oilers could use more skill/speed on the team and all 3 of those players make the forward group better.

 

[guymez]

Here's the article that posted as the video instead for some weird reason...

MONTREAL— A tumultuous week for Canadiens forward Alex Galchenyuk added a new twist Thursday when certified NHLPA hockey agent Dan Milstein alleged that Montreal coach Claude Julien has a problem with Russian hockey players.
“Alex Galchenyuk isn’t a problem but coach is. Has never successfully coached Russian. Took midseason most-Russian club. All but one Russian gone,” said Milstein on Twitter.
The tweets have since been deleted.
Milstein was referring to the Canadiens summer departures of Alexei Emelin (to Vegas Golden Knights in the expansion draft), Mikhail Sergachev (via trade with the Tampa Bay Lightning), and Alex Radulov and Andrei Markov (via free agency).

When reached by phone Thursday afternoon, Milstein apologized for commenting on another agent’s player (Galchenyuk is represented by Pat Brisson), but stood by his claim Julien has difficulty with Russian players.
“These are my observations,” Milstein told Sportsnet. “I represent several Russian players, and I know Alex is not one of them and I’m out of line for commenting because I don’t represent him. But I’m just stating the facts.
“I have nothing but respect for [Canadiens general manager] Marc Bergevin. But it seems obvious the coach doesn’t like Russians.”

Milstein represents many Russian-born players including former Canadien Nikita Nesterov, Nikita Zaitsev, Pavel Datsyuk and Artemi Panarin.

Galchenyuk, the Canadiens first-round pick in the 2012 draft (third overall), is a native of Milwaukee, Wis. He is an American citizen of Belarussian descent. He has two goals and zero assists in nine games this season. Galchenyuk was among the top five scorers in the NHL last season through 25 games before suffering a knee injury against the Los Angeles Kings.
His inconsistent play since has been an ongoing topic of conversation in Montreal and was addressed by Bergevin on Wednesday.
“Yes [there is frustration] because you see the talent,” said Bergevin. “You see what he’s capable of doing, and again, I’m watching Alex and I hope what happened last night [scoring a goal against Florida and playing well] is the beginning. Sometimes I see a young player that’s looking for answers. He’s not coming to us. But he’s looking somewhere else for answers instead of taking it upon himself. When you stop and you talk to (him) about it, he understands. So he’s aware of it.

I’ve said it before, sometimes you think you’re working, but you might not be working as hard as you can. The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary. So you have to work and the result will become success.”
Earlier in the week, former Canadiens player and coach Mario Tremblay told a local radio station Galchenyuk had been to rehab twice and has “off-ice problems.”
On Wednesday Bergevin said he was not in a position to comment on the report given the confidential nature of the league’s substance abuse program.
“It’s strictly confidential,” he explained. “You could have one guy, 10 guys, I don’t know. It’s confidential. I can’t even talk about it. It’s strictly confidential. So I don’t have any comment to make on that.”

I am getting a little deja vu here. Doesnt want to look in the mirror regarding his own play when it becomes a problem. Who does that sound like?
This might be a potential red flag.

 

[CycloneSweep]

7 year period stats don't mean **** to me. I don't care what you did 5 years ago. I don't even care about 2 years ago. Who's playing for the Oilers on Wedensday? Who can we rely on to bring it? That's all I care about.

I don't care if your name is Smelly McPants A lot. If you put on a Oilers jersey NOW and outperform Lucic/RNH/ and give us 25-30 goals ... you're in my good book.

Games are not played in the past. I don't give a **** what you did years ago. All that matters is what you are bringing to ice tonight.

How many Oilers on this team aside from McDavid/Draisaitl even try to make a play like Maroon does 1 on 3 against the Flyers to score a goal? Against Pittsburgh late in the shift when he could've just dumped the puck, how many Oilers have the sense to instead throw the puck into an area where McDavid might be and he scores a goal to tie the game?

That's all I care about man. I don't care that you did a fancy toe drag against Calgary four years ago and now you think I should respect you because of that. What are you bringing tonight? What are you bringing this year? Can we expect 100% of your ability? No? You want to give me excuses instead? Well then yeah I'm sorry but I have a problem with that. I don't have respect players that "coast" on past legacy.

Trade McDavid for Matthews. Doesn't matter what the did last year, right now Matthews is on pace for 112 points and 60 goals. That pleb McDavid? On pace for 90 points and 41 goals and isn't signed to a 12.5 million dollar contract. Matthews might get even more points if he gets to play with Drai.

Thats your logic. Matthews right now is outperforming McDavid therefore we should get him instead.

It's a small sample size. Just like saying Maroons pace of 60+ points is legit. It's not.