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[harpoon]

...what. A player that has hit 42 points ONCE in his career at the age of 29 is worth a minimum of $5 million a year. Are you Chiarelli?

The hilarious part of the comment is that he goes on and on and on about 'line drivers' and how any player who isn't a 'line driver' isn't worth spit.
Now he wants to give Maroon, the classic not 'line driver' a $5 million payday.
I just wish posters would try to be consistent.

 

[Soundwave]

I think it just "dawned" on Chiarelli that the team is slower than he thought (wow, newsflash) and is now in scramble mode.

He knows he's done if this doesn't turn fast.

 

[Soundwave]

The hilarious part of the comment is that he goes on and on and on about 'line drivers' and how any player who isn't a 'line driver' isn't worth spit.
Now he wants to give Maroon, the classic not 'line driver' a $5 million payday.
I just wish posters would try to be consistent.

I'm saying based on his play a 25-30 goal scorer is worth $5 million. I don't think that's an unreasonable statement.

Why should this guy get paid 1/2 the salary of a Lucic when he outproduces Lucic? You think his agent is a dummy?

Also at what point does the "his production was a fluke" go out the window? He's having an even better season this year and is basically the only Oiler who's played 6 games that can say that.

By getting promoted to top unit PP, he's now basically taken every job Lucic was supposed to do away from him.

 

[MessierII]

I'm saying based on his play a 25-30 goal scorer is worth $5 million. I don't think that's an unreasonable statement.

Why should this guy get paid 1/2 the salary of a Lucic when he outproduces Lucic? You think his agent is a dummy?

Except he’s never outproduced Lucic ever by any metric. Hits points pick one. Lucic is and always has been a way better player. Great maroon can get 40 points once. Good on him but he’s not Lucic not even close honestly.

 

[Soundwave]

Except he’s never outproduced Lucic ever by any metric. Hits points pick one. Lucic is and always has been a way better player. Great maroon can get 40 points once. Good on him but he’s not Lucic not even close honestly.

He's way better than Lucic of today. He is far more agile, far smarter, has a way better shot release, way better hockey I.Q.

The only thing current Lucic is better at is fighting.

The only reason Lucic had more points is because Maroon was not given that spot on the top unit PP, but even that Maroon has now taken that spot away from Lucic.

Lucic 3-4 years ago OK. But Lucic is not that guy anymore. Barely even notice this guy on the ice these days at all unless he's turning the puck over, was a complete ghost in the playoffs as well.

Maroon has taken every job away from Lucic. 1st line LW? Taken. Big PF to play with McDavid? Taken. Net front presence on top unit PP ... bye bye Lucic. You've been replaced at your job 3/3 now. But hey don't worry. Enjoy the $6 million per.

Lucic is pretty plainly in the "I did my thing, got paid, got my ring, time to coast for the rest of my career" phase of his career. Entitled veteran who's content to ride off his overpaid contract and not show up for a lot of nights. If he's "way better than Maroon", why is Lucic the one constantly losing his job to Maroon?

 

[harpoon]

Way to completely ignore my post and just natter on about a bunch of things I didn't mention.
Maroon, love the guy, is not a 'line driver'. Your entire schtick the last six months on this board has been running down anybody who isn't a 'line driver' and Eberle and RNH in particular.
Its 'line drivers' or bust in every thread on this board.
You have stated again and again that complementary players aren't worth anything and are replaceable cogs in your master plan to pay the $$$ to nobody but line drivers.
Now you want to give Maroon - the very definition of complementary - a $5 million payday.

I'm saying based on his play a 25-30 goal scorer is worth $5 million. I don't think that's an unreasonable statement.

So now Eberle was only about $1 million overpaid in your mind? Why for the love of god have you spent six months making hundreds of posts complaining about how he wasn't a 'line driver' then.
In today's NHL being overpaid by $1 million is nothing and we both know it.
So essentially you are now saying that all those hundreds of posts were a waste of your time and hf bandwidth?

 

[Soundwave]

Way to completely ignore my post and just natter on about a bunch of things I didn't mention.
Maroon, love the guy, is not a 'line driver'. Your entire schtick the last six months on this board has been running down anybody who isn't a 'line driver' and Eberle and RNH in particular.
Its 'line drivers' or bust in every thread on this board.
You have stated again and again that complementary players aren't worth anything and are replaceable cogs in your master plan to pay the $$$ to nobody but line drivers.
So now Eberle was only about $1 million overpaid in your mind? Why for the love of god have you spent six months making hundreds of posts complaining about how he wasn't a 'line driver' then.
In today's NHL being overpaid by $1 million is nothing and we both know it.
So essentially you are now saying that all those hundreds of posts were a waste of your time and hf bandwidth?

Eberle was a $3 million dollar player last year. He had 16 goals and 46 points going into game 80 when the Oilers were already locked for a playoff berth and then nothing in the playoffs.

Hey I wish these guys would actually just play to their salary. I get no joy from harping on them, I'd rather celebrate having 30 goals and 60 points from them in Oiler uniforms, *now* not 3-5 years ago.

But for whatever reason cannot do that here.

Maroon has earned his contract, RNH never did, Lucic is not earning his contract either, I'm just saying his agent has every right to say "whoa, whoa, whoa, my guy is outperforming all these players, why should my guy take half the money".

And honestly it's a fair question to ask. I understand the POV from his camp, he's worked his ass off for everything he's ever been given in this organization, unlike 90% of the roster that just gets guaranteed ice time no matter what.

 

[McBigYak]

“Desperate to halt their skid, the Oilers are taking offers on Jussi Jokinen”

From Sportsnet. Are you kidding me? What do you expect to get in return? Jokinen is probably worth a late round draft pick.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Maroon is actually worth that money based on his play this year.

Lucic should be getting 3.5. RNH 3.5. Russell 3.

The one guy of this group aside from McDavid/Leon that actually earned his money is probably gonna have to walk, which is hilariously sad.

What UFA powerforward who has been putting up Lucic's kind of numbers has signed that cheaply? Am I happy about signing him to his current contract, not particularly, but he isn't a $3.5M player. RNH at $3.5M is a hell of a bargain, that would have him making $5M less then Drai and would probably put him in the top 10 value contracts for centers in the league (not counting players on ELC's), I know you hate him, but that just isn't realistic. I won't disagree on Russell that is about what he is worth, but given last years market for d-men you can expect about a $1M overpay, the issue with his contract is more the term and NMC/NTC.

Giving Maroon $5M should be out of the question given his track record, a reasonable team friendly deal would be $3.5M, my maximum line in the sand would be $4.25M which I think is quite generous since it's pretty clear McDavid and Drai are helping him pad his numbers.

 

[Soundwave]

What UFA powerforward who has been putting up Lucic's kind of numbers has signed that cheaply? Am I happy about signing him to his current contract, not particularly, but he isn't a $3.5M player. RNH at $3.5M is a hell of a bargain, that would have him making $5M less then Drai and would probably put him in the top 10 value contracts for centers in the league (not counting players on ELC's), I know you hate him, but that just isn't realistic. I won't disagree on Russell that is about what he is worth, but given last years market for d-men you can expect about a $1M overpay, the issue with his contract is more the term and NMC/NTC.

Giving Maroon $5M should be out of the question given his track record, a reasonable team friendly deal would be $3.5M, my maximum line in the sand would be $4.25M which I think is quite generous since it's pretty clear McDavid and Drai are helping him pad his numbers.

We should've just passed on Lucic entirely. It was a contract that was likely to blow up in our faces.

I don't hate any of these players, they're all good people, problem is a lot of them are not carrying their weight on the ice surface when the game's matter and we need them to perform.

How as a $6 million dollar player do you lose all three of your major jobs to a guy earning $2 million? How does that even happen? Now having lost his role on the top unit PP, Maroon has effectively taken every major role that Lucic was supposed to be doing here.

As a professional, there should be some pride here. Is he not even embarrassed a little bit about that? I doubt it. For a "power forward" Lucic is invisible on many, many nights these days.

The problem now is also equally true that if Maroon walks .... who are you getting off the UFA market that is going to bring 27-30 goals on McDavid's wing next season? For less than $4.5 million dollars? Good luck.

 

[Faelko]

“Desperate to halt their skid, the Oilers are taking offers on Jussi Jokinen”

From Sportsnet. Are you kidding me? What do you expect to get in return? Jokinen is probably worth a late round draft pick.

I'll take it!

 

[Digger12]

it doesnt really make sense. Only reasonable explanation is Pitlick wanted to test the UFA market and wouldnt resign here

To be fair, even though it was for low dollars I'm still surprised that Dallas gave Pitlick a 3 year deal given that he's missed good chunks of a season to injury, every year for the past 5 years. The history on him indicates that he can only play around half a year before his body breaks down or something screwy goes south on him.

Chia has screwed some things up, but letting Pitlick go isn't one that is on my radar.

 

[Soundwave]

I'd just keep Jokinen. Puljujarvi will be up at some point, why not have a Finnish vet for him to at least talk to rather than sitting in the corner talking to a pizza box.

You're not going to get anything great in return. I can't imagine it's really that easy to adjust to a team when you can't even have a conversation with anyone on that team.

 

[harpoon]

You said,

a 25-30 goal scorer is worth $5 million.

Its a declarative statement and nobody is putting any words in your mouth.

Eberle was a $3 million dollar player last year. He had 16 goals and 46 points going into game 80 when the Oilers were already locked for a playoff berth and then nothing in the playoffs.

But now you think that Maroon after seasons of 11,9 and 15 goals is a 25-30 goal scorer because he put up 27 last year. I'll give you that I guess. Stapled to McDavid he could repeat.
But Eberle with seasons of 34,28,24,25 and 20 does not qualify as the 25-30 goal scorer you mention above?
AND you want to keep subtracting goals from his total because they don't meet some mythical criteria you have established in the privacy of your own mind?
Sorry, I think the whole board can see how you are talking nonsense.

 

[Faelko]

it doesnt really make sense. Only reasonable explanation is Pitlick wanted to test the UFA market and wouldnt resign here

I think it was the 2nd year on the contract. Pitlick had been a bandaid, I understand the Oilers reluctance to sign him.

 

[YakDavid]

The jokinen is a odd one. Trading a player 10 games in that just signed is not the best idea.

 

[Soundwave]

You said,
Its a declarative statement and nobody is putting any words in your mouth.


But now you think that Maroon after seasons of 11,9 and 15 goals is a 25-30 goal scorer because he put up 27 last year. I'll give you that I guess. Stapled to McDavid he could repeat.
But Eberle with seasons of 34,28,24,25 and 20 does not qualify as the 25-30 goal scorer you mention above?
AND you want to keep subtracting goals from his total because they don't meet some mythical criteria you have established in the privacy of your own mind?
Sorry, I think the whole board can see how you are talking nonsense.

That's great that those players produced in the past.

Do you have a time machine that can bring Lucic from 4 years ago onto this roster?

If you don't then what does it matter? Maroon since coming here has over-produced and taken the jobs of several players above him through hard work.

Any guy in this league that's on pace for 30 goals+ and 60 points+ in a season is going to ask for 5+. You can't really expect less than that, and if this player walks, we are going to have a lot of trouble replacing him. Drake Caggiula is going to end up as McDavid's LW.

If he's willing to do

5/5/5/3.5/2.5 or something I'd jump on that and sign him. If we lose him basically Chia's only "win" for this team becomes the Talbot deal where Sather did us a favor really. That's mediocre GMing big time.

 

[RebuildTheRebuild]

Chris Johnston of Sportsnet has talked about Oilers gauging interest on Jokinen. I don't think he would would hav emuch value at all that would return us a NHLer.

 

[King1s]

I think it just "dawned" on Chiarelli that the team is slower than he thought (wow, newsflash) and is now in scramble mode.

He knows he's done if this doesn't turn fast.

Good times ahead. Good times.

 

[McShogun99]

Going forward the team only has room for 1 of Lucic or Maroon, which means Maroon is gone by the TDL at the earliest. There is zero point in trading Jokinen, his cap hit will just disappear if he gets sent to the AHL.

 

[Soundwave]

Going forward the team only has room for 1 of Lucic or Maroon, which means Maroon is gone by the TDL at the earliest. There is zero point in trading Jokinen, his cap hit will just disappear if he gets sent to the AHL.

If it's Maroon gone, say hello to

Caggiula McDavid as your top line LW-C combo next year. There's no one great on the UFA market that's going to sign for less than what Maroon would have.

 

[McDNicks17]

The jokinen is a odd one. Trading a player 10 games in that just signed is not the best idea.

Just another Sportsnet bonehead making up stuff to sound relevant.

 

[Joey Moss]

Why would you bother shopping Jokinen? I'd give him some time to adjust at least, he's not worse than Pakarinen or Khaira.

 

[Soundwave]

You said,
Its a declarative statement and nobody is putting any words in your mouth.


But now you think that Maroon after seasons of 11,9 and 15 goals is a 25-30 goal scorer because he put up 27 last year. I'll give you that I guess. Stapled to McDavid he could repeat.
But Eberle with seasons of 34,28,24,25 and 20 does not qualify as the 25-30 goal scorer you mention above?
AND you want to keep subtracting goals from his total because they don't meet some mythical criteria you have established in the privacy of your own mind?
Sorry, I think the whole board can see how you are talking nonsense.

Maroon scored 27 last year and is on pace for 33 this year, and that could even rise because he's now been promoted to the top unit PP.

If you were this guy's agent, would you tell him to accept $3 million dollars a year looking at the other salaries being paid on the Oilers and what UFAs get on the open market in contract years?

 

[harpoon]

Do you have a time machine that can bring Lucic from 4 years ago onto this roster?

I don't. But apparently you have a time machine that allows you to jump forward and see Maroon as a $5 million dollar, twenty-five goal man for the next five seasons.
If he falters though, I'm sure you'll gloss over everything you've just posted, jump all over Maroon and get back to telling the board how 'line drivers' are the only players worth big dollar contracts.
And stop trying to change what you said from 'at least $5 million' to $4 million. It's weak.