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[A91]

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I don’t understand this line of thinking. We weren’t taking Barzal even if we kept the pick, so who cares that he’s had a good start? Our pick was either Svechnikov or Samsonov.

Pick was most likely Eriksson Ek.

For me it makes the trade even worse considering we didn't think Barzal would be good.

 

[Digger12]

Barzal's certainly had a great start to his NHL career so far, but I don't recall a lot of gnashing of teeth from this board in the 2 years following his draft...he was very good for sure, but certainly didn't set the WHL on fire and was tracking to be another oft-injured, soft skilled forward that the Oilers needed like they needed a hole in the head.

Like has been said, the Oilers mistake wasn't in giving up the opportunity to draft Barzal (who they apparently weren't going to draft anyway), it's in their mistaken belief that Griffin Reinhart was NHL-ready at any time, never mind in 2015 when Chiarelli boldly predicted he could be cracking their top 4. Without a doubt it's been Chiarelli's biggest mistake in his 2.5 years as Oilers GM.

 

[oXo Cube]

Reinhart for Pick #16 was a bad trade and it was a bad trade at the time, no hindsight required.

It doesn't even matter who we would have taken.

 

[Shathar]

Makes a better story

Exactly. Any team that could retrospectively revise every move they made would win the stanley cup every year.

As it stands right now, we would all rather have Barzal than a pylon. I remember that many of you hated the move at the time. At the time, I didn't hate it. I didn't know enough about Reinhart to hate it. I can't call things like this 'mistakes' however. Chia had no faith in our scouts for good reason I think. It's a move that didn't pan out. That's all, IMHO.

 

[Jet Walters]

The Flyers are last in the Metro and have lost 6 straight. If there was ever a way to pry Wayne Simmonds out of Philly I think now's the time. He's signed to a cap friendly deal but only for another year. I'm not sure if he fits the Flyers window to win and could see them dealing him for some good young players who are a year or two away. What would it take? I'd love to find a way to make that deal without sending Pulju or Yamo the other way but that might be tough.

Pulju + 3rd for Simmonds
RNH + Benning + 2nd for Savard + Anderson
Pick/prospect for Jannik Hansen


Cags McDavid Simmonds
Lucic Drai Anderson
Maroon Strome Hansen
Khaira Letestu Kassian

Nurse Larsson
Klefbom Savard
Sekera Russell

 

[tsnTpoint]

Exactly. Any team that could retrospectively revise every move they made would win the stanley cup every year.

As it stands right now, we would all rather have Barzal than a pylon. I remember that many of you hated the move at the time. At the time, I didn't hate it. I didn't know enough about Reinhart to hate it. I can't call things like this 'mistakes' however. Chia had no faith in our scouts for good reason I think. It's a move that didn't pan out. That's all, IMHO.

Wasn't Chia quoted as saying at the time that he had never actually watched Reinhart play before. Does this not mean he was 100% trusting our scouts?

At the time the trade was announced, I was hoping it was for Hamonic. When it was announced Reinhart my response was not pretty.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Wasn't Chia quoted as saying at the time that he had never actually watched Reinhart play before. Does this not mean he was 100% trusting our scouts?

At the time the trade was announced, I was hoping it was for Hamonic. When it was announced Reinhart my response was not pretty.

I think he meant amateur scouts.
Reinhart would have been a pro scout decision.
Or should have been.

 

[McDNicks17]

It's probably a silver lining that it was Reinhart instead of Hamonic.

He's an NHLer, but he's been absolute garbage and he's signed longterm at $4M.

 

[Alowlyoilersfan]

The Flyers are last in the Metro and have lost 6 straight. If there was ever a way to pry Wayne Simmonds out of Philly I think now's the time. He's signed to a cap friendly deal but only for another year. I'm not sure if he fits the Flyers window to win and could see them dealing him for some good young players who are a year or two away. What would it take? I'd love to find a way to make that deal without sending Pulju or Yamo the other way but that might be tough.

Pulju + 3rd for Simmonds
RNH + Benning + 2nd for Savard + Anderson
Pick/prospect for Jannik Hansen


Cags McDavid Simmonds
Lucic Drai Anderson
Maroon Strome Hansen
Khaira Letestu Kassian

Nurse Larsson
Klefbom Savard
Sekera Russell

I would consider flipping Yamamoto for Simmonds. I don't want to move Puljujarvi. I think he has a higher upside.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

The Flyers are last in the Metro and have lost 6 straight. If there was ever a way to pry Wayne Simmonds out of Philly I think now's the time. He's signed to a cap friendly deal but only for another year. I'm not sure if he fits the Flyers window to win and could see them dealing him for some good young players who are a year or two away. What would it take? I'd love to find a way to make that deal without sending Pulju or Yamo the other way but that might be tough.

Pulju + 3rd for Simmonds
RNH + Benning + 2nd for Savard + Anderson
Pick/prospect for Jannik Hansen


Cags McDavid Simmonds
Lucic Drai Anderson
Maroon Strome Hansen
Khaira Letestu Kassian

Nurse Larsson
Klefbom Savard
Sekera Russell

That's a nice looking line-up, all sensible deals that could make sense for both teams, I'm a tad apprehensive about shipping RNH away and spending that much money on a quasi 3rd D pairing.

 

[Spawn]

Because those picks never played for us. Far less emotional attachment. But yeah, it was a ridiculously bad trade.

And picks for nothing trades happen every deadline that teams give up 1st or 2nds for rentals who flop and do nothing for their teams.

 

[Jet Walters]

That's a nice looking line-up, all sensible deals that could make sense for both teams, I'm a tad apprehensive about shipping RNH away and spending that much money on a quasi 3rd D pairing.

My thought would be that Russell or Sekera could be moved after next year for a cheap forward, and a young D like Jones or Bear could step into the 3rd pairing. No money to re-sign Maroon or Hansen though, and it would be hard to fit in Simmonds the year after too.

It is a nice looking lineup with a lot more speed and finish. Still would like a natural checking center like Sobotka/Pageau/Cizikas instead of Strome going forward.

 

[Shathar]

I think he meant amateur scouts.
Reinhart would have been a pro scout decision.
Or should have been.

Reinhart was also drafted 4th overall. I know he was a few years removed from that when we acquired him, but all the certainty around here that 'he sucked' and 'Berzal was a star' is... well, I'll let you imagine what I"m thinking.

The Isles, the scouting consensus, the world, thought he was good enough to be drafted that high. But, somehow, a few posters here knew he sucked. I mean.... think about that.

The thing is, if you hate on everything, you're bound to be right sometimes. Right?

 

[Spawn]

Wasn't Chia quoted as saying at the time that he had never actually watched Reinhart play before. Does this not mean he was 100% trusting our scouts?

At the time the trade was announced, I was hoping it was for Hamonic. When it was announced Reinhart my response was not pretty.

No. Bob Green said he hadn't seen Reinhart play in the AHL.

Chiarelli said he saw him lay in Bridgeport (the Islanders AHL team) and proclaimed him NHL ready. The Oilers staff/scouts might have had some insight into the trade, but they weren't the ones calling him NHL ready to the media the day of the trade. That was Chiarelli.

 

[belair]

Could you imagine if the Penguins traded for OEL? They've got some pieces they could throw Chayka's way that fit into their needs. A good young OEL replacement signed long-term (Maatta), good cheap young NHL ready Fs (Sprong, Sheary, Guentzel), a respectable goalie prospect (Jarry) and a boatload of future picks. If he hits the market, I think it'd be shrewd for them to jump into the mix.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Reinhart was also drafted 4th overall. I know he was a few years removed from that when we acquired him, but all the certainty around here that 'he sucked' and 'Berzal was a star' is... well, I'll let you imagine what I"m thinking.

The Isles, the scouting consensus, the world, thought he was good enough to be drafted that high. But, somehow, a few posters here knew he sucked. I mean.... think about that.

The thing is, if you hate on everything, you're bound to be right sometimes. Right?

I know what you're saying but a lot of people hated that trade when it was made. Reinhart was floundering and being passed in the Islander system. There were skating issues.
Most people here were fairly familiar with Griff from his Oil King days.
Hamilton was just moved for a very similar package.

I didn't like that trade and I think most people are being genuine with their recollection of it. Many were vocal at the time.

 

[oXo Cube]

Reinhart was also drafted 4th overall. I know he was a few years removed from that when we acquired him, but all the certainty around here that 'he sucked' and 'Berzal was a star' is... well, I'll let you imagine what I"m thinking.

The Isles, the scouting consensus, the world, thought he was good enough to be drafted that high. But, somehow, a few posters here knew he sucked. I mean.... think about that.

The thing is, if you hate on everything, you're bound to be right sometimes. Right?

Nobody thought he sucked on draft day, but we didn't trade for him immediately after he was drafted. We traded for him 3 years later. 3 years in which he had stagnated at best and regressed at worst.

The red flags were out in full force by the time Chiarelli pulled the trigger here.

 

[Shathar]

I know what you're saying but a lot of people hated that trade when it was made. Reinhart was floundering and being passed in the Islander system. There were skating issues.
Most people here were fairly familiar with Griff from his Oil King days.
Hamilton was just moved for a very similar package.

I didn't like that trade and I think most people are being genuine with their recollection of it. Many were vocal at the time.

Fair enough. I didn't see him play with the Oil Kings, but I was aware of his skating issues at the time of the trade. It was a concern when he was drafted too, if I recall correctly. I understand that he never overcame them, and that is a shame (for us). Yes, the red flags were there. But there were red flags with our amateur scouting as well.

 

[McTrashBoat]

who's this Reinhart guy? I don't see him on the roster

 

[Raoul Duke]

Fair enough. I didn't see him play with the Oil Kings, but I was aware of his skating issues at the time of the trade. It was a concern when he was drafted too, if I recall correctly. I understand that he never overcame them, and that is a shame (for us). Yes, the red flags were there. But there were red flags with our amateur scouting as well.

Oh absolutely. The whole organization was in shambles.

Reinhart was great in juniors. Hard to translate to the NHL if you can't keep up. That's probably what limits Strome to being a third liner when he was a scoring machine in junior.

 

[Barrsy]

Because those picks never played for us. Far less emotional attachment. But yeah, it was a ridiculously bad trade.

For sure it was. But we weren't picking Barzal. And who knows about Aho.
Whats with all these guys who are so smart they can pick out every champ in the 1st 40 picks, but always pass on the chumps

 

[StevenF1919]

It's probably a silver lining that it was Reinhart instead of Hamonic.

He's an NHLer, but he's been absolute garbage and he's signed longterm at $4M.

 

[CupofOil]

I would consider flipping Yamamoto for Simmonds. I don't want to move Puljujarvi. I think he has a higher upside.

They can't afford Simmonds, it would be like giving Yamamoto away for a rental.

If the Oilers make a deal for Simmonds, Pacioretty, Kreider or somebody like that, salary has to be going the other way or in other words, RNH would have to be in the package because all the other big contract players don't have any value and have NMC's. Essentially, their tradeable assets are the 2018 1st (which shouldn't be moved), RNH, Klefbom (shouldn't be moved unless it's a surefire upgrade), Puljujarvi and Yamamoto. With the Oilers tight against the cap for the foreseeable future, they need to move out salary if they are bringing in salary.
Chia really backed himself into a real tough situation here, there's not much wiggle room for any upgrades beyond this season.

 

[McDNicks17]

Have you paid attention to him in the last couple of seasons?

Statistically he makes Kris Russell look like a possession superstar.

 

[StevenF1919]

Have you paid attention to him in the last couple of seasons?

Statistically he makes Kris Russell look like a possession superstar.

He sucks but trading for him would mean we wouldn't sign Russell and I'd take Hamonic over him. At least Hamonic had a decent year in 2015, that's more than Reinhart ever did for us.