Proposal: Trade Rumours & Proposals Thread: Will we ever get another dman?

[Mr Positive]

Because one exceptional case is standard across all examples?

The fact is, most players who score around 50 points for career do not surge up to 80 point seasons very often.

The Sedins would be two exceptional cases, but in any rate, they aren't that special. There are lots of players who take to their mid twenties to hit their potential. Marty St.Louis, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and I know there are others like that.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

The Sedins would be two exceptional cases, but in any rate, they aren't that special. There are lots of players who take to their mid twenties to hit their potential. Marty St.Louis, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and I know there are others like that.

I understand that. And your right as a former first overall, Nuge does have more potential to make a surge like that then most, but for every 1 player who makes the jump, you could probably find 5 who didnt. Its still quite a longshot imo.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

Swedes typically take longer to develop. RNH wet through the WHL. His development path should be well ahead of Sedin's at his age.

Rnh is the type of player that thrives off hockey iq and will take a few extra years to get his "man" strength.

That is very similar to Henrik and I don't think the career projection comparison is off base.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Because one exceptional case is standard across all examples?

The fact is, most players who score around 50 points for career do not surge up to 80 point seasons very often.

RNH is 22 and consistently hits around 55 points every year despite facing the toughest competition.

The Oilers have a chance to have the only three pronged attack in the West with McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH, which they'll need because their D (even with a trade) will not have that stalwart No.1 on it and they'll need something to stand out or frustrate other teams through line matching.

We aren't getting an OEL or a Keith or a Suter by trading RNH, so I'd just stick with the 3 C's and deal my wingers instead to find a D upgrade. Wingers are easier to find than C's.

I do think that Eberle might land us Hamonic once the season is over, especially if NYI knows they won't get Okposo back.

I think STL would have to think about Yak, Reinhart and a conditional 2nd (1st if re-sign) in 2017 for Shattenkirk.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I would suggest oiler fans stay out of eksucks rumour thread on the main trade board----we are getting screwed with by some posters and I can hear them giggling when they get the reaction they want

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I would suggest oiler fans stay out of eksucks rumour thread on the main trade board----we are getting screwed with by some posters and I can hear them giggling when they get the reaction they want

Eklund is giggling as well.

 

[McDoused]

I'd be down for RNH and Davidson for Hamonic and Nielsen. I don't really want to move RNH but that makes us a better team this year.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I'd be down for RNH and Davidson for Hamonic and Nielsen. I don't really want to move RNH but that makes us a better team this year.

I am in the minority

But I do RNH+Schultz for Hamonic and a 2nd

 

[Up the Irons]

RNH is 22 and consistently hits around 55 points every year despite facing the toughest competition.

The Oilers have a chance to have the only three pronged attack in the West with McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH, which they'll need because their D (even with a trade) will not have that stalwart No.1 on it and they'll need something to stand out or frustrate other teams through line matching.

We aren't getting an OEL or a Keith or a Suter by trading RNH, so I'd just stick with the 3 C's and deal my wingers instead to find a D upgrade. Wingers are easier to find than C's.

I do think that Eberle might land us Hamonic once the season is over, especially if NYI knows they won't get Okposo back.

I think STL would have to think about Yak, Reinhart and a conditional 2nd (1st if re-sign) in 2017 for Shattenkirk.

I'm starting to agree this is the only way. RNH isn't good enough to land the impact D, so why bother.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

RNH is 22 and consistently hits around 55 points every year despite facing the toughest competition.

The Oilers have a chance to have the only three pronged attack in the West with McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH, which they'll need because their D (even with a trade) will not have that stalwart No.1 on it and they'll need something to stand out or frustrate other teams through line matching.

We aren't getting an OEL or a Keith or a Suter by trading RNH, so I'd just stick with the 3 C's and deal my wingers instead to find a D upgrade. Wingers are easier to find than C's.

I do think that Eberle might land us Hamonic once the season is over, especially if NYI knows they won't get Okposo back.

I think STL would have to think about Yak, Reinhart and a conditional 2nd (1st if re-sign) in 2017 for Shattenkirk.

I agree with this, even if we retain a million on Eberle's contract. A 70 pt winger signed at 5M for 3 more seasons is pretty valuable. I'd imagine Eberle would be even more effective playing on Tavares wing in the East.

The Shattenkirk deal is a little far fetched but who knows, Armstrong has made some questionable decisions in the past. I think a Shattekirk deal with be something more like our 1st (top3 protected) + Reinhart for Shattenkirk + their 1st + rights to Sobotka/Brouwer

 

[booyakasha]

If Chiarelli values Eberle more than RNH then we are in very big trouble.


Maybe it's just me, but I think NYI would be complete morons to turn down RNH for Hamonic. The guy wants out, and he's being drastically overrated ever since the trade request went public. RNH is still 22, on a decent long-term contract, puts up 50+ points a year and he's a very solid defensive center. Even if they're stacked at center, they can just flip RNH once they acquire him. RNH > Hamonic in terms of value to me.

I never said Chia values Ebs over RNH, ...only that Eberle was bettter than RNH, and IMO he is.

If the isles take RNH and trade Hamonic, then they're in the same position the Oilers are in...looking at other teams to take a flyer on a Nuge for a D.
It ain't working for the Oil, what makes you think the Isles would be able to get anything good for Nuge?...in a vacuum, yes, RNH is maybe more valuable than Hamonic, but to NY?, he is a luxury and not needed, so that value system is pointless.

 

[Mr Positive]

A Hamonic-RNH swap would turn bad imo. Hamonic won't be quite the Dman in the west that he is the east, and he isn't even top tier in the east, and has little potential to do so. RNH has top tier potential. For the short term, we'd miss him more than people think

 

[Yeah15]

I never said Chia values Ebs over RNH, ...only that Eberle was bettter than RNH, and IMO he is.

I know you didn't. All I'm saying is that if the GM of the Oilers thinks this way also, we're in trouble. Because I think it's really silly to think Eberle is a better player/bigger piece of this team than RNH.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I almost believe that because of the styles of Hamonic and Shattenkirk, you have to get both rather than one to really be effective.

Hamonic is a top 4 D-man, but he isn't guaranteed to put points up and isn't a PP option. 8 points in 41 GP.

Shattenkirk is a top 4 D-man, but he is more of a top PP option while maintaining secondary even strength minutes. He isn't top pairing at even strength.

They're foils to one another.

Only 1 is likely, but then you have to pick what you want to sacrifice and what you'll still be looking for on your back end.

One gives you toughness and is solid defensively, the other can move the puck and run the PP. The Oilers need both of those qualities.

 

[Titsuple]

If Nielsen is willing to sign a extension I would do RNH for Hamonic and Nielsen

 

[ChaoticOrange]

A Hamonic-RNH swap would turn bad imo. Hamonic won't be quite the Dman in the west that he is the east, and he isn't even top tier in the east, and has little potential to do so. RNH has top tier potential. For the short term, we'd miss him more than people think

I think the Islanders would need to add a sizeable forward piece to make that deal happen. As in Nielsen and conditional picks on top of that.

 

[booyakasha]

I know you didn't. All I'm saying is that if the GM of the Oilers thinks this way also, we're in trouble. Because I think it's really silly to think Eberle is a better player/bigger piece of this team than RNH.

I think Eberle is a bigger piece for this team.
I also think that if RNH was on another team and fans of that team came in here proposing a RNH - Eberle swap, they'd be ridiculed out mercilessly.
It would be like offering Sam Gagner for Johhny Gaudreau.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I think Eberle is a bigger piece for this team.
I also think that if RNH was on another team and fans of that team came in here proposing a RNH - Eberle swap, they'd be ridiculed out mercilessly.
It would be like offering Sam Gagner for Johhny Gaudreau.

What?

If another team had RNH and proposed him for Ebs to us, I'd take that deal. Especially cause in that universe, we probably have 1st overall locked up because McDavid's injury would have caused us to run Letestu as No.2 C. We'd get 3 years younger of a player at a more important position with better defensive ability.

 

[t0nedeff]

There better be a significant add on Hamonic if they want RNH. If Nuge went to the Island it would have to be almost a forgone conclusion that he would increase his point totals. Goes from a team where he has to handle all the hard work to a team where they have a guy in Tavares who can insulate Nuge's minutes. Add onto that the East has far smaller centers he would have to compete with night in and night out.

 

[Spawn]

I know you didn't. All I'm saying is that if the GM of the Oilers thinks this way also, we're in trouble. Because I think it's really silly to think Eberle is a better player/bigger piece of this team than RNH.

Eh. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to suggest Eberle is a better player, or a more important player for this team than RNH.

Eberle is unquestionably the best right winger on the team. RNH is arguably the 3rd best center, and that might be offensively and defensively.

Agreed. I think Isles fans are going to be seriously dissapointed with the return on Hamonic if they are expecting RNH+. I think by trade deadline Snow is going to cave and we'll see Eberle+2nd for Hamonic or something.

I am not quite sure how that would be Snow caving.

Eberle is one of the most consistent point producers in the league. Puts up 65 points like clockwork every single year. That is a very rare commodity in this league. He's off that pace this year due to time missed and a really slow start, but still has a shot at ~55.

Hamonic is a good d-man signed to a really good contract. But he's not dynamic in any way. He's not some unstoppable force defensively. He doesn't bring anything meaningful offensively. He's a very good player. But he's not a player who can anchor your top pairing imo.

Anything added to Eberle for Hamonic is a loss for the Oilers imo.

As the season has gone on and the Oilers have struggled more and more, Hamonic's value seems to have grown for a bunch of you. Hamonic is like Sekera. In an ideal world he's your #3.

Chiarelli's found himself in a pickle. He needs to address the back end without butchering the forward group. We don't have enough organizational depth to make up for the loss of a player like Eberle unfortunately. Maybe RNH once McDavid comes back.

I've said it repeatedly, but it's time for Chiarelli to earn his paycheck and do some difficult GMing. Time to fix the holes on the roster without creating ones in other areas.

Hamonic would be a really good fit here, but I don't know if he's worth what a lot of people are prepared to give up for around here (Eberle or RNH).

 

[nabob]

I understand that. And your right as a former first overall, Nuge does have more potential to make a surge like that then most, but for every 1 player who makes the jump, you could probably find 5 who didnt. Its still quite a longshot imo.

How many of those 5 were ever actually thought to have that potential though. I dont think you realize how rare a PPG center is in the league. Guess how many there were last season.

 

[McJadeddog]

I'd want a hefty add to Hamonic if that's the deal. I'm talking a 1st or a solid young forward. If we got another 1st we could use it as trade currency or to give Chia's new staff a chance to make a mark restocking the cupboards.

yeah, there isn't a chance in hell i make a RNH for hamonic trade straight across, not even close to enough value coming back

 

[McJadeddog]

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Terrible news. He might be done for the year.

yeah my thinking is he will be gone for at least another month, and likely the season.... because: oilers

 

[McJadeddog]

We are going to have to accept the fact that Eberle won't get Hamonic. Hamonic is a legit #2 guy imo.

on the oilers yes, on a GOOD team, no... hamonic is a 2nd pairing guy on a good team

 

[McJadeddog]

A Hamonic-RNH swap would turn bad imo. Hamonic won't be quite the Dman in the west that he is the east, and he isn't even top tier in the east, and has little potential to do so. RNH has top tier potential. For the short term, we'd miss him more than people think

yeah we would lose such a deal in both the short term and the long term.... RNH is already a better player than hamonic... RNH will continue to get better for a couple more seasons as he gets his man strength, while hamonic is the player he is going to be... not going to get any more growth out of hamonic