Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXX

[Big Muddy]

I’m guessing this ties in with the rumour that DeBrincat wants to sign an extension with Ottawa. Gotta clear some cap space ASAP.

Every roster & salary projection posted in here for 2023-24 assumed and already had Zaitsev subtracted. If they sign Debrincat & Talbot, there's not much left over for anything else (assuming a $83.5 m cap). So we'll have the same lineup next year except that there will be more ELCs (or low $ contracts) in the bottom six.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

How high is Dorion willing to go? Any high pick he gives is one high pick he can’t give for a d man

 

[Loach]

How high is Dorion willing to go? Any high pick he gives is one high pick he can’t give for a d man

2nd for Stepan high. Lol

 

[Hale The Villain]

Every roster & salary projection posted in here for 2023-24 assumed and already had Zaitsev subtracted. If they sign Debrincat & Talbot, there's not much left over for anything else (assuming a $83.5 m cap). So we'll have the same lineup next year except that there will be more ELCs (or low $ contracts) in the bottom six.

There's not even room for Talbot, assuming he'd make around 4-5M on his next contract.

To re-sign DeBrincat we'll need to dump Zaitsev and then fill out the rest of the roster with cheap depth players.

 

[Hale The Villain]

zack kassain went for a 2nd+3rd

Z hould go for less but we probably end up giving up two 2nds...cause Dorion

Kassian had two years left on his contract when dealt.

The cost to moving Zaitsev for the rest of the 2022/23 season should be little. The significant cost will be to get his contract off the books for 2023/24.

A 2nd has typically been the cost to move a bad D on a 1 year contract. Not sure why Zaitsev would cost significantly more to dump, especially if it's in the summer after his 2M bonus is paid, which is exactly when we should do it.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I’m guessing this ties in with the rumour that DeBrincat wants to sign an extension with Ottawa. Gotta clear some cap space ASAP.

This seems the most likely scenario to me if the Sens give up a lot to dump Zaitsev immediately instead of in the summer.

Signing ADB first may give other teams more leverage in demanding a king's ransom to take on Zaitsev, since they'd know we'd be over the cap otherwise.

That's what happened with Philly this summer when they tried to dump JVR. Teams knew they wanted to clear cap with Gaudreau on the market and demanded a 1st be attached to JVR, even though he was a decent player on a 1 year contract at only 4M in actual salary.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This seems the most likely scenario to me if the Sens give up a lot to dump Zaitsev immediately instead of in the summer.

Signing ADB first may give other teams more leverage in demanding a king's ransom to take on Zaitsev, since they'd know we'd be over the cap otherwise.

That's what happened with Philly this summer when they tried to dump JVR. Teams knew they wanted to clear cap with Gaudreau on the market and demanded a 1st be attached to JVR, even though he was a decent player on a 1 year contract at only 4M in actual salary.

Outside of the debrincat trade Dorion regularly pays far above market value to basically do anything

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Kuzmenko having a sick year. How come we can identify solid pros in Russia but not in the NHL

 

[Cosmix]

Hmmm. Was Dorion not offering a 2nd before, like this summer and all season long? Dorion making a desperation trade trying to salvage the season and possibly his job is worrisome. Hope for the best and push aside the pessimistic urge I suppose.

There was scuttlebutt on HFBoards about what it would take to trade Zaitsev elsewhere; but I did not see or hear anything definite in the media.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Kuzmenko having a sick year. How come we can identify solid pros in Russia but not in the NHL

Russian Player tells Agent "I want to play in the NHL at the end of my contract. X,Y,Z, Ottawa are the top teams I would be interested in."
Agent discusses with Media.

 

[Cosmix]

Incoming Zaitsev trade that will upset all of us. Buckle up.

Trading Zaitsev elsewhere to avoid paying his salary and cap next season would be helpful and I suspect it might cost a 2nd round pick to do so. We might also have to eat a lower salary contract in return.

 

[HSF]

This seems the most likely scenario to me if the Sens give up a lot to dump Zaitsev immediately instead of in the summer.

Signing ADB first may give other teams more leverage in demanding a king's ransom to take on Zaitsev, since they'd know we'd be over the cap otherwise.

That's what happened with Philly this summer when they tried to dump JVR. Teams knew they wanted to clear cap with Gaudreau on the market and demanded a 1st be attached to JVR, even though he was a decent player on a 1 year contract at only 4M in actual salary.

we have cap to sign DBC

trading Z would be needed if we are trading for a 5mill defensemen or something

 

[Cosmix]

Kassian had two years left on his contract when dealt.

The cost to moving Zaitsev for the rest of the 2022/23 season should be little. The significant cost will be to get his contract off the books for 2023/24.

A 2nd has typically been the cost to move a bad D on a 1 year contract. Not sure why Zaitsev would cost significantly more to dump, especially if it's in the summer after his 2M bonus is paid, which is exactly when we should do it.

I would rather do it now and avoid the $2M bonus payment.

 

[GCK]

we have cap to sign DBC

trading Z would be needed if we are trading for a 5mill defensemen or something

Debrincat at 8.5, Pinto @ 3, Talbot @ 4 doesn’t leave any room other than a bunch of sub 1M players.

 

[Yak]

We can get it done under our budget, we have a lot of money off the books next season.

Zaitsev moving now is better then later and then extend Cat, Talbot and Pinto before the off-season and hope to get some discounts.

 

[HSF]

Debrincat at 8.5, Pinto @ 3, Talbot @ 4 doesn’t leave any room other than a bunch of sub 1M players.

yes thats why we need to move Z

also yes you will be looking for cheap contracts to fill the 4th line but that is okay if it means keeping a PPG winger in the top 6

 

[UglyPuckling]

We can get it done under our budget, we have a lot of money off the books next season.

Zaitsev moving now is better then later and then extend Cat, Talbot and Pinto before the off-season and hope to get some discounts.

Here's a 22-player roster & salaries for 2023-24. $83,249,880

Assumptions/risks include:

• Have to be able to dump Zaitsev without any cost
• Joseph subtracted
• Finding a decent defender to play with Sanderson for about $3.1 m.
• Performance bonuses not included.
• Debrincat at $8.4 m x 8 years
• Talbot resigned at $3.75 m
• $83.5 m cap per recent info

Also worth mentioning that there's not much wiggle room for any injuries. Assumptions/risks noted above are well worth considering.

 

[GCK]

yes thats why we need to move Z

also yes you will be looking for cheap contracts to fill the 4th line but that is okay if it means keeping a PPG winger in the top 6

That includes Zaitsev gone. We would need 6 forwards at 1M and 4 D at 1M if we carry a 22M roster.

Here's a 22-player roster & salaries for 2023-24. $83,249,880

Assumptions/risks include:

• Have to be able to dump Zaitsev without any cost
• Joseph subtracted
• Finding a decent defender to play with Sanderson for about $3.1 m.
• Performance bonuses not included.
• Debrincat at $8.4 m x 8 years
• Talbot resigned at $3.75 m
• $83.5 m cap per recent info

Also worth mentioning that there's not much wiggle room for any injuries. Assumptions/risks noted above are well worth considering.

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Not sure Joseph is moveable without bringing money back.

 

[Big Muddy]

Probably going to need five (5) sub $900 k forwards on the 3rd & 4th lines if we sign Debrincat & Talbot and that's with Zaitsev gone.

 

[Senscore]

Call me crazy but I think it might be in our best interest to move Talbot at the deadline.

He's 35, so really not a long term investment, and right now there are a bunch of contending teams with a weakness in net who might pay a premium for an experienced guy on an expiring contract.

At the very least I don't think Talbot is that good where keeping him is essential.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Debrincat at 8.5, Pinto @ 3, Talbot @ 4 doesn’t leave any room other than a bunch of sub 1M players.

Who say's we're re-signing Talbot?

 

[HSF]

Probably going to need five (5) sub $900 k forwards on the 3rd & 4th lines if we sign Debrincat & Talbot and that's with Zaitsev gone.

shouldnt be an issue

if the cap is still flat this year a lot of guys will sign for cheap to just play in the league

 

[DrEasy]

Call me crazy but I think it might be in our best interest to move Talbot at the deadline.

He's 35, so really not a long term investment, and right now there are a bunch of contending teams with a weakness in net who might pay a premium for an experienced guy on an expiring contract.

At the very least I don't think Talbot is that good where keeping him is essential.

Totally agree. And it would be consistent with giving Forsberg the contract he got, which is too much for a backup. I'd rather trade Talbot and not have to give away assets to dump Zaitsev in order to fit D-Cat.

 

[GCK]

Who say's we're re-signing Talbot?

If not Talbot then we still need to get a goalie who can play 40-50 games

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

shouldnt be an issue

if the cap is still flat this year a lot of guys will sign for cheap to just play in the league

Exactly. Good ones too.