Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXX

[Puikiou]

Having Paul in the bottom 6 and on the PK this season over Joseph would be a big boost.

Nick Paul is so big and so girthy that the hole he left in the lineup will never be filled.

 

[TheNewEra]

Seth Jones is still good. And if they retained quite a bit. Would be a GARGANTUAN improvement on Zaitsev and Hamonic

A lot of the advanced stats say otherwise. Seems to show a pretty significant decrease after 2017/2018. He had a nice bounce back year last year but this year he is displaying career lows in advance stats. A lot of blackhawk fans dont seem to like his play either they are just realistic in that they would most likely have to keep him for a bit since he is signed until 35, with a lot of bonus money up front.

Just as a quick display
Corsi For: 43.5 %
Fenwick For: 44.5 %

CF: 40.9%
FF: 40.5%

CF: 45.4%
FF: 44.5%

One of these defenceman is Seth Jones. The others are Zaitsev and Hamonic. All three are not great at all but Jones isnt even the best one of the three haha let alone worth all that extra money

 

[thinkwild]

Nick Paul is so big and so girthy that the hole he left in the lineup will never be filled.

I used to like when they put Paul with Brady for a few shifts and they would regain physical control and be a menace on the forecheck. And Kastelic was in that role the other day. Playing with Brady. He seems to be making a case that he could take the Nick Paul role. Maybe not quite there yet but i like how he's coming along.

 

[Golden_Jet]

A lot of the advanced stats say otherwise. Seems to show a pretty significant decrease after 2017/2018. He had a nice bounce back year last year but this year he is displaying career lows in advance stats. A lot of blackhawk fans dont seem to like his play either they are just realistic in that they would most likely have to keep him for a bit since he is signed until 35, with a lot of bonus money up front.

Just as a quick display
Corsi For: 43.5 %
Fenwick For: 44.5 %

CF: 40.9%
FF: 40.5%

CF: 45.4%
FF: 44.5%

One of these defenceman is Seth Jones. The others are Zaitsev and Hamonic. All three are not great at all but Jones isnt even the best one of the three haha let alone worth all that extra money

You should say what the controls you are using in Your stats. Looks like all strengths. So numbers are skewed , as the Sens players play PK not PP.

Should use 5 on 5, or even strengths, and per 60 numbers to get a real feel, and more accurate number.

Or Hamonic is just over 60% CF/60 for 5 on 5
And just under 60% for CA/60

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think it would be overkill unless you get him at 5mill or less which seems impossible and why convos probably got no where

Overkill as in we have too many good d men?

A lot of the advanced stats say otherwise. Seems to show a pretty significant decrease after 2017/2018. He had a nice bounce back year last year but this year he is displaying career lows in advance stats. A lot of blackhawk fans dont seem to like his play either they are just realistic in that they would most likely have to keep him for a bit since he is signed until 35, with a lot of bonus money up front.

Just as a quick display
Corsi For: 43.5 %
Fenwick For: 44.5 %

CF: 40.9%
FF: 40.5%

CF: 45.4%
FF: 44.5%

One of these defenceman is Seth Jones. The others are Zaitsev and Hamonic. All three are not great at all but Jones isnt even the best one of the three haha let alone worth all that extra money

Chicago is an unmitigated disaster. If you don’t think he’s an improvement then alright. I think at 6 he’s a good add.

 

[Dionysus]

Nick Paul is so big and so girthy that the hole he left in the lineup will never be filled.

Too true. We lost more than just a hockey player.

I used to like when they put Paul with Brady for a few shifts and they would regain physical control and be a menace on the forecheck. And Kastelic was in that role the other day. Playing with Brady. He seems to be making a case that he could take the Nick Paul role. Maybe not quite there yet but i like how he's coming along.

Kastelic and Paul would have been a great physical duo in the bottom 6.

 

[GCK]

Overkill as in we have too many good d men?


Chicago is an unmitigated disaster. If you don’t think he’s an improvement then alright. I think at 6 he’s a good add.

Have you seen Jones’ contract? 12.5, 12.5, 10.5 over the next 3 years. Even at 33% retained that’s huge dollars. Getting Chicago to retain for SEVEN years would cost a ton of assets capital. The contract is also buyout proof later on so nice he has a 5M SB every year.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Weren’t we the runner up for Craig Smith when he hit the UFA market a couple of years ago?

Wouldn’t mind taking on a sweetener (draft pick) to take on Smiths cap hit for the rest of the year, and he can also help us in the bottom 6.

 

[GCK]

Weren’t we the runner up for Craig Smith when he hit the UFA market a couple of years ago?

Wouldn’t mind taking on a sweetener (draft pick) to take on Smiths cap hit for the rest of the year, and he can also help us in the bottom 6.

Not a terrible idea but I doubt we can add contracts.

 

[Cosmix]

Have you seen Jones’ contract? 12.5, 12.5, 10.5 over the next 3 years. Even at 33% retained that’s huge dollars. Getting Chicago to retain for SEVEN years would cost a ton of assets capital. The contract is also buyout proof later on so nice he has a 5M SB every year.

Why would Dorion even ask Chicago about Jones when he knows the salary dollars to be paid?

 

[Cosmix]

ya both Jones and Karlsson would have to come with major retention

which is probably why they haven't been traded

Perhaps Dorion is going to "sell" our 1st round pick in 2023 for immediate help on D such as for Seth Jones with 50% salary retained by Chicago or Erik Karlsson with 50% salary retained by SJ.

 

[Micklebot]

Not a terrible idea but I doubt we can add contracts.

I had assumed that too but it seems at odds with the idea that we called about Jones.

 

[GCK]

I had assumed that too but it seems at odds with the idea that we called about Jones.

I’m not buying that.

 

[Micklebot]

I’m not buying that.

Yeah, that's probably a reasonable approach.

I suppose it's possible Dorion is working the phones to set something up for after new ownership is sorted out

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I had assumed that too but it seems at odds with the idea that we called about Jones.

When did the tires get kicked?

 

[Big Muddy]

I had assumed that too but it seems at odds with the idea that we called about Jones.

Hope that isn't true (I could see this as being bogus pretty easily).

Jones is 28 and that contract runs to the end of 2030.

Thank god Jones has a NMC.

Let's just get Zub and JBD back into the lineup and finish the year. Then, with new owners, let's try to get Zub signed and/or be active in free agency.

The possibility of a Dorion Hail-Mary desperation trade is very worrisome.

 

[Que]

I know I’m the Patrick Kane guy, but id rather trade our unprotected 2023 1st for Max Domi than Seth Jones.

 

[Micklebot]

Hope that isn't true.

Jones is 28 and that contract runs to the end of 2030.

Thank god Jones has a NMC.

Let's just get Zub and JBD back into the lineup and finish the year. Then, with new owners, let's try to get Zub signed and/or be active in free agency.

The possibility of a Dorion Hail-Mary desperation trade is very worrisome.

I like Jones, and think he's better than the fancy stats and general consensus these days suggest but he probably has one of the worst contracts out there so I have very little interest in him.

 

[Big Muddy]

I like Jones, and think he's better than the fancy stats and general consensus these days suggest but he probably has one of the worst contracts out there so I have very little interest in him.

I don't think we need a panic trade. Our core is still young. We will get Zub & JBD back & then we can see where we are at. JMHO, but some patience right now will pay dividends I think. I have to wonder about the veracity of that info from Friedman.

Your probably right that Jones is better than his advanced stats. Can't say I've watched many Hawks games this year though. Just too many other teams that interest me more this year.

 

[Samsquanch]

Sounds like Friedman click bait to me, I dunno....

Perhaps Dorion is going to "sell" our 1st round pick in 2023 for immediate help on D such as for Seth Jones with 50% salary retained by Chicago or Erik Karlsson with 50% salary retained by SJ.

If we could get either of them at 50% retained it would be an absolute no brainer. These guys could both be top pairing guys on a contender if they were on sweetheart contracts.

But I would eat my hat if any team in the modern day eats 50% of a long term contract (of a star player that can still play well) for one single 1st round pick. Just not happening. Especially because the team that acquires that player could easily retain another chunk of the contract, and get an absolutely massive return from the right team. It would dwarf what was paid for them in an exponential way, imo.

A desperate contender up against the cap would without a doubt bend over backwards for an impact dman that comes in at less than $5m per. Jones and Karlsson would help any contending team if they made $4-5m per instead. At that price you almost have to move someone else out to fit their dollars in. It's crazy good value in a league with a hard cap.

 

[Micklebot]

I don't think we need a panic trade. Our core is still young. We will get Zub & JBD back & then we can see where we are at. JMHO, but some patience right now will pay dividends I think. I have to wonder about the veracity of that info from Friedman.

I agree the team doesn't need to make any panic moves but Dorion is probably feeling some pressure with new ownership on the way,

 

[bert]

A lot of the advanced stats say otherwise. Seems to show a pretty significant decrease after 2017/2018. He had a nice bounce back year last year but this year he is displaying career lows in advance stats. A lot of blackhawk fans dont seem to like his play either they are just realistic in that they would most likely have to keep him for a bit since he is signed until 35, with a lot of bonus money up front.

Just as a quick display
Corsi For: 43.5 %
Fenwick For: 44.5 %

CF: 40.9%
FF: 40.5%

CF: 45.4%
FF: 44.5%

One of these defenceman is Seth Jones. The others are Zaitsev and Hamonic. All three are not great at all but Jones isnt even the best one of the three haha let alone worth all that extra money

He is on a very bad team. Come on he didn't just forget how to play the game. Comparing Jones to Zaitsev. Jesus. This is why advanced stats are not a primary tool to evaluate a player or team. You actually have to watch.

I agree the team doesn't need to make any panic moves but Dorion is probably feeling some pressure with new ownership on the way,

They likely want him to do nothing and won't let him do anything. There's probably very little pressure, that ship sailed for him a while ago. The only thing he should be allowed to do is extend Zub. The team shouldn't do a damn thing until that's done.

 

[Alex1234]

Dorion will do one more big trade before he gets replaced by new ownership
Book it

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Perhaps Dorion is going to "sell" our 1st round pick in 2023 for immediate help on D such as for Seth Jones with 50% salary retained by Chicago or Erik Karlsson with 50% salary retained by SJ.

This is true if you’re committed to thinking something really bad is going to happen. Dorion isn’t giving up that pick. If we were in the playoffs safely right now…maybe. Probably. But right now. Doubt it

 

[StoicSensFan]

Dorion will do one more big trade before he gets replaced by new ownership
Book it

I think you mean buckle up