Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[Sweatred]

It's wierd i read that sweetner tweet as theyd be sending US something.
Why would we be adding if we're paying half his salary?

All that and we take Holl the hole too?
Take it easy.

It’s probably a case of sloppy reporting like the Buffalo-Murray stories that painted a trade to look terrible for the Sens.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

It's wierd i read that sweetner tweet as theyd be sending US something.
Why would we be adding if we're paying half his salary?

All that and we take Holl the hole too?
Take it easy.

Holl is fine, he's still better than any RD we have not named Zub and is on a cheap one-year contract.

I still have no idea why we traded for Hamonic and his contract.

 

[2CHAINZ]

I guess you didn’t take 1st year philosophy … it’s straight to the childish insults when we run out of hockey things to say…

All good Mr. Chains.

You are epically hilarious man you have insulted me countless times

 

[Big Muddy]

If they are thinking of moving Murray to the Leafs, they don't have much cap room. They have $10.2 m of cap to sign 6 players.

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Just thinking of the discussions on how much Ottawa would need to retain. The idea that it would only be 15 - 20% seems unlikely unless there's more salary (dumps) coming back our way.

 

[Loach]

If they are thinking of moving Murray to the Leafs, they don't have much cap room. They have $10.2 m of cap to sign 6 players.

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Just thinking of the discussions on how much Ottawa would need to retain. The idea that it would only be 15 - 20% seems unlikely unless there's more salary (dumps) coming back our way.

Phaneuf type trade

 

[Neiler]

If we took Kerfoot and Holl in the deal, retained 50% on both and sent them elsewhere it would only be 2.75M in retention for one year then we'd be clear of the Murray deal.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Mrazek @ 3.8M (zero retention) only cost moving down about 12 spots in the draft from 26 to 38, which is probably around a 2nd in value.

If we're retaining anything significant on Murray it certainly shouldn't cost us a good young player like Formenton or Greig to get rid of him. Maybe a 2nd/3rd.

If the goal is to cut salary to open up room to sign Giroux and add a good D, we should trade Hamonic before wasting assets to get rid of Murray, Zaitsev and MDZ. 3.25M in salary and if we add a decent D via trade he'll be our 6th defenseman and would probably push Brannstrom out of the lineup. Trading for him was so stupid.

 

[Sensators]

Sort of off topic but Colorado and Pittsburgh both won with players comparable to formenton. Speed burns.

If he is doing flyby's or whatnot (I confess I havnt noticed this) at this point in his career it should be our coaching staffs job to help him to utilize his speed to create more turnovers.

Colorado just dominated the playoffs with their speed causing pressure all over the ice, formy is not the guy we should be trading.

Ive said this before but formenton reminds me of Bryan rust. I think his game will continue to grow

 

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[Gil Gunderson]

Kerfoot’s bonus has already been paid and is only owed 750k in real money, so I definately see him coming back if a deal eith Toronto is made. Not that I agree with it, but I could see Dorion viewing him as a cheap Formenton replacement if he’s moved at some point for a top 4 dman.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Kerfoot’s bonus has already been paid and is only owed 750k in real money, so I definately see him coming back if a deal eith Toronto is made. Not that I agree with it, but I could see Dorion viewing him as a cheap Formenton replacement if he’s moved at some point for a top 4 dman.

Kerfoot's NTC will probably prevent that from happening.

 

[Korpse]

Kerfoot's NTC will probably prevent that from happening.

It could. Only a 10 team no trade list and we've seen it before where players don't include some teams that they don't believe they would be traded to. Was it Phaneuf who had Ottawa on his 12 team trade list purely because they never suspected a trade with Ottawa.

 

[Emerica]

Lol yes the Leafs have leverage. Nevermind that they have no goalie and that we don’t have to trade Murray.

 

[Senscore]

Lol yes the Leafs have leverage. Nevermind that they have no goalie and that we don’t have to trade Murray.

As nice as Giroux would be. We don't need him. We can survive without him.

Pretty sure if the Leafs go into the season with Kallgren as their starter shit will hit the fan. Hell even with Murray that's likely to happen.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

As nice as Giroux would be. We don't need him. We can survive without him.

Pretty sure if the Leafs go into the season with Kallgren as their starter shit will hit the fan. Hell even with Murray that's likely to happen.

Buying out Murray and trading Brown still gives us enough space to sign the RFA’s, Giroux, a top 4 d-man while staying under a 70 mil budget.

If the 75 mil payroll rumour being thrown around is true I don’t see why we’s be under much pressure, unless we plan to go on shopping spree on Wednesday.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Lol yes the Leafs have leverage. Nevermind that they have no goalie and that we don’t have to trade Murray.

Dangle has always been a idiot how people like him is beyond me

 

[Emerica]

As nice as Giroux would be. We don't need him. We can survive without him.

Pretty sure if the Leafs go into the season with Kallgren as their starter shit will hit the fan. Hell even with Murray that's likely to happen.

Yeah they are running very thin on options already. If we're being honest, I don't even think they can get a better goaltender than Campbell currently unless they get Kuemper. I don't think they should've ever let Andersen leave but I'm not complaining.

 

[Xspyrit]

So... I'm not clear on what you want to happen here. From where I stand, sending the leafs Murray wouldn't be helping them.

Leafs don't have to worry about getting to the playoffs so they don't need Murray for the regular season. However, IF Murray is healthy in the first round, they could finally exorcize their demons. That said, chances are that he would already be injured or about to get injured during the playoffs. It's a gamble but a better one than Mrazek or Campbell

.906 SV% playing behind a putrid defense isn't terrible.

Outside of the 1st couple weeks where the team defense was perhaps the worst I've seen in years, Murray was pretty solid this season. Rebounded very nicely but couldn't stay healthy.

Exactly. And actually, if you remove his first 7 games with Ottawa when we iced an AHL defense with Zaitsev, Gudbranson, Coburn, Mike Reilly, Josh Brown and Wolanin (Zub and Brannstrom weren't even dressed) and also 2 outliers from last season where he was completely left out to dry (ok our goalies have been left out to dry way more often than that but can't exclude like 50% of the games lol), his SV% in Ottawa has been 0.913. Or if you remove just his first 7 games, 0.907. Problem with Murray is that he didn't make a great "first impression" but seriously, our defense was so terrible that I can't see any goalie outside of prime Hasek who would have looked good.

Why would any GM in the NHL, after watching Murray over the past two years in Ottawa, logically think that trading for him is a good idea to improve your goaltending situation?

All NHL teams have (or should have) qualified people regarding goaltending

NHL teams look at things differently than hockey fans, who mostly "analyze" things through hockeydb

But yes getting Murray is a risky gamble. You're gambling that he could stay relatively healthy for a full season and particularly when it counts. I'm not sure if the Leafs are positioned to gamble like that

 

[Sens Vader]

is this trade going down or what

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Buckle up

 

[GermanSpitfire]

If we took Kerfoot and Holl in the deal, retained 50% on both and sent them elsewhere it would only be 2.75M in retention for one year then we'd be clear of the Murray deal.

Kerfoot has positive value.

1.5 in salary for a 50 point scorer.

Holl isn’t impossible to move either since he is a right shot making only 2M.

Other than Mrazek - the Leafs didn’t have a bad contract on their books.

It’s going to hurt to move Murray.

 

[Sweatred]

Sort of off topic but Colorado and Pittsburgh both won with players comparable to formenton. Speed burns.

If he is doing flyby's or whatnot (I confess I havnt noticed this) at this point in his career it should be our coaching staffs job to help him to utilize his speed to create more turnovers.

Colorado just dominated the playoffs with their speed causing pressure all over the ice, formy is not the guy we should be trading.

Ive said this before but formenton reminds me of Bryan rust. I think his game will continue to grow

Presumably DJ has and the player hasn’t committed to change which has lead to his rumoured displeasure with Formy’s game.

Lol yes the Leafs have leverage. Nevermind that they have no goalie and that we don’t have to trade Murray.

Dangle thinks he can influence the trade …

 

[Gil Gunderson]

is this trade going down or what

I doubt we see anything major until tomorrow.

 

[Micklebot]

Presumably DJ has and the player hasn’t committed to change which has lead to his rumoured displeasure with Formy’s game.

Where is this rumour that DJ is unhappy with Formenton coming from? His icetime progressed as the season went on, not really seeing the usual signs of a player not being liked by the coach.

 

[bsens35]

with all this goalie talk should we target talbot . he is unhappy that they signed flower