Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[Cosmix]

I really don't think he is comparable to Trouba. Not close to as good defensively, or nearly as physical doesn't shoot right and doesn't bring captain level leadership. Trouba is actually a perfect fit here. Clearly he is not available.

I will agree Chychrun is not the right fit here. Not a natural RD and yes will price himself out. Not a natural shut down d either. That's what the sens need. He does fill a void in terms of being large/clear the front of the net and the ability to play in the top 4. But at the cost and the lack of a long term future he isn't the answer.

I really think at this point the sens need a coaching staff that is willing to just play the best players on the back end, see what they have and evaluate from thete. Thomson and JBD should play if they show better than Hamonic, Holden and Zaitsev. If this doesn't happen I think it could cost DJ his job.

It won’t happen because Dorion also favors vets.

 

[Alex1234]

I really don't think he is comparable to Trouba. Not close to as good defensively, or nearly as physical doesn't shoot right and doesn't bring captain level leadership. Trouba is actually a perfect fit here. Clearly he is not available.

I will agree Chychrun is not the right fit here. Not a natural RD and yes will price himself out. Not a natural shut down d either. That's what the sens need. He does fill a void in terms of being large/clear the front of the net and the ability to play in the top 4. But at the cost and the lack of a long term future he isn't the answer.

I really think at this point the sens need a coaching staff that is willing to just play the best players on the back end, see what they have and evaluate from thete. Thomson and JBD should play if they show better than Hamonic, Holden and Zaitsev. If this doesn't happen I think it could cost DJ his job.

This.
Imo Chychrun makes sense here only if we would have drafted Drysdale and would need a top LHD to play with him.
Having Sanderson now we need a top RHD whose main attribute is his defensive play.

 

[bert]

It won’t happen because Dorion also favors vets.

I mean it looks like its happening with Sanderson. Hard to believe if its working they wont try it in other areas.

 

[GCK]

Just thought we would be much cheaper to acquire than Chychrun , and if we're willing to play guys on their offside could be a fit

He would be someone where we can improve the defense but also not break the bank, so we can still target a RHD later on if we're in the playoff race and someone becomes available

I like his potential

I have to think that they like Chykrun due to the offence he brings. They were rumoured to be in on Klingberg and Weeger but not Marino which points to wanting backend offence not stay at home types. As fans we can disagree with what is needed but I doubt Hague is of interest.

 

[Sens Vader]

I have to think that they like Chykrun due to the offence he brings. They were rumoured to be in on Klingberg and Weeger but not Marino which points to wanting backend offence not stay at home types. As fans we can disagree with what is needed but I doubt Hague is of interest.

Yeah true. I want Chychrun but I personally wouldn't move Grieg or Pinto for him, if that's the ask I would move on but still try to tinker the defense

 

[GCK]

Yeah true. I want Chychrun but I personally wouldn't move Grieg or Pinto for him, if that's the ask I would move on but still try to tinker the defense

I hope they stand pat for now. Best case scenario is the following happens.

Zub resigns

Sanderson shows he is a top 4 D this season with the ability to run PP2.

Brannstrom plays so well he wins the 3LD spot.

JBD earns a spot and pushes Zaitsev to Belleville.

Guenette becomes the best D in Belleville and looks ready to make the jump next season.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I have to think that they like Chykrun due to the offence he brings. They were rumoured to be in on Klingberg and Weeger but not Marino which points to wanting backend offence not stay at home types. As fans we can disagree with what is needed but I doubt Hague is of interest.

We were apparently quite interested in DeAngelo, and there were some rumours about Barrie.

According to Garrioch the reason we were not interested in Marino is because of his term. I don't think it's a coincidence that all of those other players had terms of 3 years or less on their deal. That might be the bigger factor than playstyle.

 

[SensFan1010]

I dont think its as much as we want offense more as we want a D who can transition the puck

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I dont think its as much as we want offense more as we want a D who can transition the puck

This.

We need to not have to play Chabot 26+ minutes a game.

Until that happens, we won't make the playoffs.

 

[HSF]

Why wouldnt you move Greig for Chychrun? That seems kinda wild esp since Chychrun is on a beauty contract and actually is really good.

Greig alone anyone would do I think the bigger issue is that they want Greig and a 2023 1st.

Greig alone should not be stopping anyone from a Chychrun deal

 

[Ice-Tray]

Why wouldnt you move Greig for Chychrun? That seems kinda wild esp since Chychrun is on a beauty contract and actually is really good.

Greig alone anyone would do I think the bigger issue is that they want Greig and a 2023 1st.

Greig alone should not be stopping anyone from a Chychrun deal

He’s not an RD, which is what we need, he has injury issues, and is currently still injured, and his season playing RD was a lot worse than his seasons playing LD.

Good player sure, but giving up a prime asset that we do need, for a player in a position that we don’t need, is questionable decision making in my opinion.

 

[HSF]

He’s not an RD, which is what we need, he has injury issues, and is currently still injured, and his season playing RD was a lot worse than his seasons playing LD.

Good player sure, but giving up a prime asset that we do need, for a player in a position that we don’t need, is questionable decision making in my opinion.

I don't think you need Chychrun to play RD this season.

Chabot - Zub
Chychrun - Hamonic
Sanderson - Holden
ex Brannstrom

Is a really good top 6. Chychrun can carry a pairing with Hamonic. Asking Sanderson to do that is a but of a leap. Once Sanderson gets his feet under him we can decide who to move to RD but we have seen Tampa run with 3 LD deep

Greig is projected to be a 2nd liner in a couple of years? Its a no brainer for me. I think the hold up is probably the additional asset being a 1st. I can understand why the team doesn't want to give up Pinto as that creates a large roster hole right now. Greig is a prospect

 

[bert]

Why wouldnt you move Greig for Chychrun? That seems kinda wild esp since Chychrun is on a beauty contract and actually is really good.

Greig alone anyone would do I think the bigger issue is that they want Greig and a 2023 1st.

Greig alone should not be stopping anyone from a Chychrun deal

Id rather wait and see on our young D before making a deal like that personally. Just need to be willing to try JBD and or Thomson in an elevated role. This team isnt winning the cup this year. There is no reason to rush this.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't think you need Chychrun to play RD this season.

Chabot - Zub
Chychrun - Hamonic
Sanderson - Holden
ex Brannstrom

Is a really good top 6. Chychrun can carry a pairing with Hamonic. Asking Sanderson to do that is a but of a leap. Once Sanderson gets his feet under him we can decide who to move to RD but we have seen Tampa run with 3 LD deep

Greig is projected to be a 2nd liner in a couple of years? Its a no brainer for me. I think the hold up is probably the additional asset being a 1st. I can understand why the team doesn't want to give up Pinto as that creates a large roster hole right now. Greig is a prospect

All rumours seem to be Arizona want more than Greig and a first.

 

[GCK]

Why wouldnt you move Greig for Chychrun? That seems kinda wild esp since Chychrun is on a beauty contract and actually is really good.

Greig alone anyone would do I think the bigger issue is that they want Greig and a 2023 1st.

Greig alone should not be stopping anyone from a Chychrun deal

The problem is that we absolutely need to have as many ELCs or minimum vets contracts up front next year.

Greig
Kelly
Kastelic
Crookshank
Vet min player

Greig is the cheap Formenton replacement if we want to keep Debrincat.

 

[armani]

All rumours seem to be Arizona want more than Greig and a first.

They can kiss Garrioch’s ass.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Tampa was able to play Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev all on their strong side at LD while also ensuring they were the top 3 D in ice-time.

We should be able to do something similar with Chabot, Chychrun and Sanderson. Chychrun being a LD shouldn't matter that much, especially considering JBD, Thomson and Guenette all appear to be knocking on the door and all are right-handed.

 

[HSF]

The problem is that we absolutely need to have as many ELCs or minimum vets contracts up front next year.

Greig
Kelly
Kastelic
Crookshank
Vet min player

Greig is the cheap Formenton replacement if we want to keep Debrincat.

Not really a problem. You can sign league min vets with the flat cap. Also Boucher can be a 3rd line replacement aswell

 

[saskriders]

Tampa was able to play Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev all on their strong side at LD while also ensuring they were the top 3 D in ice-time.

We should be able to do something similar with Chabot, Chychrun and Sanderson. Chychrun being a LD shouldn't matter that much, especially considering JBD, Thomson and Guenette all appear to be knocking on the door and all are right-handed.

But you make all minutes worse defensively by having a weak partner on each side. If you concentrate the weakness in one pairing the defence is much worse when they are on, but the minutes with a week defenceman are greatly reduced.

 

[HSF]

Id rather wait and see on our young D before making a deal like that personally. Just need to be willing to try JBD and or Thomson in an elevated role. This team isnt winning the cup this year. There is no reason to rush this.

With the current defence we probably arent winning the cup but adding Chychrun gets us much closer to being a contender. If the hold up is Greig then I wouldn't hold back.

This should be a very good roster if we add a legit top 4

But you make all minutes worse defensively by having a weak partner on each side. If you concentrate the weakness in one pairing the defence is much worse when they are on, but the minutes with a week defenceman are greatly reduced.

the only 'weak' partner would be the 2nd pair but Chychrun would greatly improve the play of his partner just cause he would do the heavy lifting in terms of transitioning. Hamonic would just have to worry about being decent on the defensive end.

 

[GCK]

Not really a problem. You can sign league min vets with the flat cap. Also Boucher can be a 3rd line replacement aswell

You can’t find a player with as much talent as Greig in a league minimum vet. Boucher is not close, certainly not next year during the cap crunch.

 

[bert]

With the current defence we probably arent winning the cup but adding Chychrun gets us much closer to being a contender. If the hold up is Greig then I wouldn't hold back.

This should be a very good roster if we add a legit top 4

We simply dont know. D men take time to develop. You havent even given them the opportunity. We dont know what Sanderson is, we dont know what Thomson or JBD are yet either. The forwards arent close to being championship caliber either. You simply need more patience. So many of this teams core is so young, they need to develop. Chychrun doesnt address a single specific need that this team is lacking other than the fact he is a top 4 d man. He is the wrong hand, and plays the wrong position. He isnt a natural shut down defender.

Winning takes time, this team is going to lose a few times before we even know the type of player they are missing. They havent got to that point yet. When they do get there, thats when you make these types of trades.

 

[Hale The Villain]

But you make all minutes worse defensively by having a weak partner on each side. If you concentrate the weakness in one pairing the defence is much worse when they are on, but the minutes with a week defenceman are greatly reduced.

Zub isn't a weak partner, and the hope is that at least one of JBD/Thomson/Guenette will be able to play 2nd pairing minutes effectively. 3rd pairing RD shouldn't matter much.

I don't think we can be too picky and pass on Chychrun due to an issue as minor as handedness.

Young top 4 D are almost never available. The few that do come available usually have trade protection and wouldn't come to Ottawa.

I'm much more concerned about his injury issues and Arizona's asking price than I am about his handedness.

There is also the possibility that Chychrun could play RD successfully for us. He's done it before and with his cannon of a shot having him available for one-timers from the point at even strength is something worth exploring.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don’t know why we as fans care what chychruns handedness is

 

[UglyPuckling]

The problem is that we absolutely need to have as many ELCs or minimum vets contracts up front next year.

Greig
Kelly
Kastelic
Crookshank
Vet min player

Greig is the cheap Formenton replacement if we want to keep Debrincat.

This is correct. We may need a few (ELCs or league minimum vets) on defense and in goal as well if we want to keep Debrincat at his Qualifying Offer next year, and extend/resign Zub.

Not really a problem. You can sign league min vets with the flat cap. Also Boucher can be a 3rd line replacement aswell

If you plan to resign Zub and keep Debrincat at his Qualifying Offer, all these ELCs/league minimum vets will be needed just to meet cap without Chychrun unless there's a substantial increase in the cap ceiling.