Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[Burrowsaurus]

Is that the rumoured three teams left?

Yeah I think Friedman? And he said the connection between chycrun and Ottawa is very high on his radar

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I'm fine to trade Pinto for Chychrun, but only if its straight up unless some lower round picks are exchanged. Sure it weakens our top 9, but I'd rather have our top 6 and top 4 secured for at least 3 seasons than go into a season with a meh top 4 and secure top 6.

I would be willing to move Pinto....but I want a natural RD for that. Chychrun isn't the best fit, and all these injuries (and type of injuries) is a huge red flag. Dude is a ticking time bomb and it would be a bad idea to give up significant assets for him.

 

[Deku]

I don’t know what the deal with Hague is but that might be an option too

Formenton for Hague

 

[Big Muddy]

Yeah I think Friedman? And he said the connection between chycrun and Ottawa is very high on his radar

On Saturday during intermission Friedman also said that Arizona had asked for Pinto and that Dorion was in no way interested in giving Pinto up. So, is this something that Friedman said on Sunday? Can you post a link?

 

[GCK]

On Saturday during intermission Friedman also said that Arizona had asked for Pinto and that Dorion was in no way interested in giving Pinto up. So, is this something that Friedman said on Sunday? Can you post a link?

I’m not willing to sell the farm for Chykrun. I wouldn’t give more than 2023 1st top 10 protected + Thomson/Brannstrom + 2024 2nd + prospect (not Greig) + Zaitsev dump. I may go with 2024 being a conditional 1st rather than 2nd if Chykrun plays X amount of games and the Sens get to the 2024 conference finals.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I think this has been the assumption for most of us from the beginning. Of course they want one of Greig or Pinto, why wouldn't they? But Dorion, whether he's right or not is refusing right now.

I personally have zero interest in trading either of those prospects, but perhaps Crookshank makes Greig slightly more expendable? No idea, but it sounds like no deal to me.

 

[Bevans]

To me Greig is tradeable. His frame and style of play makes him an injury risk.

I'm still a huge fan and don't want to trade him, but I'm unwilling to put him in the untouchable category with Pinto and Sanderson.

 

[Qward]

I'd give up 3 firsts.

1st in 2023 (top 2 protected)
Grieg
Brannstrom

I would also give up a 2nd for them to take Zaitsev

So in total

To Ottawa
Chychrun

To Arizon
1st,
2nd
Greig,
Brannstom,
Zaitsev

 

[playasRus]

I'd give up 3 firsts.

1st in 2023 (top 2 protected)
Grieg
Brannstrom

I would also give up a 2nd for them to take Zaitsev

So in total

To Ottawa
Chychrun

To Arizon
1st,
2nd
Greig,
Brannstom,
Zaitsev

Don't know if any other team would call that equivalence for three 1sts.

Major areas of concern remain Chychrun's injury, current and history, as well as his ability to play RD.

It should be a pass unless it's for an underwhelming package like:

1st (top 10 protected)
Jarventie/JBD/Thomson

Add 2nd + Brannstrom for Zaitsev. I guess it depends if one thinks Greig is a premiere prospect or not.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

No thanks, I aint trading Greig.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

To me Greig is tradeable. His frame and style of play makes him an injury risk.

I'm still a huge fan and don't want to trade him, but I'm unwilling to put him in the untouchable category with Pinto and Sanderson.

Totally understand this perspective, fair play... but I can't agree with it, personally. Power forward types necessarily come with that inherent injury risk. But it's such a tough role to fill externally because of how rarely these types of players are traded. He's maybe a half-step down from Sanderson in my rankings as far as importance to the future, but about the same level as far as willingness to include either in a trade.

 

[Samboni]

The Sens’ problem has been allowing too many goals. I don’t think that adding Chychrun will improve that stat.

IMO, a RH shutdown dman should be #1 on the shopping list.

 

[GCK]

We can’t trade Greig. He is our only prospect who can play top 9 on an ELC next year. Cap space saver.

 

[Samboni]

The Sens’ problem has been allowing too many goals. I don’t think that adding Chychrun will improve that stat.

 

[Blotto71]

The Sens’ problem has been allowing too many goals. I don’t think that adding Chychrun will improve that stat.

IMO, a RH shutdown dman should be #1 on the shopping list.

I could not agree more and that is why I have been a big proponent of going hard after Larsson. Perfect guy to play with Sanderson and leaves a 3rd pairing of Brannstom/Holden - Hamonic. Lots of pieces not named Pinto or Greig that should entice Seattle (provided Larsson would move).

 

[Sens Vader]

 

[Hale The Villain]

The Sens’ problem has been allowing too many goals. I don’t think that adding Chychrun will improve that stat.

IMO, a RH shutdown dman should be #1 on the shopping list.

Chychrun is good defensively, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't improve that stat.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I like both Greig and Pinto but If I had a choice to keep 1 I think I'd keep Pinto but its not an easy choice and Pinto being 2 years older also makes it tougher. 2 years from now where is Greig at strength wise. Both are smart players . Both could play similar roles. Pinto has a size advantage. Greig has a snarl advantage. I think skill wise they are close. Pinto is more NHL ready right now.

 

[GCK]

The Sens’ problem has been allowing too many goals. I don’t think that adding Chychrun will improve that stat.

IMO, a RH shutdown dman should be #1 on the shopping list.

This is a common misconception held by fans and media.

League rank

GF 26th
GA 22nd

Change required to rank 16th (league median)

GF 26 more goals
GA 15 fewer goals

Change required to rank 10th in the league

GF 46 more goals
GA 32 fewer goals

Scoring was the bigger issue statistically last season.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think we can afford to trade Greig or Pinto considering how many young forwards we have in the pipeline that are relatively safe bets to be able to play bottom 6 minutes in the future, but I'd still rather not do it in a deal for Chychrun if a 1st will be accompanying them as well.

Dude can't stay healthy and he's coming off of two more surgeries this summer. The status of this off-season as a major buyer's market likely hasn't changed either. Most I would give up is a B prospect, 1st and a 2nd for Chychrun, with another 2nd thrown in if they agree to take on Zaitsev.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Don't know if any other team would call that equivalence for three 1sts.

Major areas of concern remain Chychrun's injury, current and history, as well as his ability to play RD.

It should be a pass unless it's for an underwhelming package like:

1st (top 10 protected)
Jarventie/JBD/Thomson

Add 2nd + Brannstrom for Zaitsev. I guess it depends if one thinks Greig is a premiere prospect or not.

The answer is an immediate no from arizona.

 

[GCK]

I think we can afford to trade Greig or Pinto considering how many young forwards we have in the pipeline that are relatively safe bets to be able to play bottom 6 minutes in the future, but I'd still rather not do it in a deal for Chychrun if a 1st will be accompanying them as well.

Dude can't stay healthy and he's coming off of two more surgeries this summer. The status of this off-season as a major buyer's market likely hasn't changed either. Most I would give up is a B prospect, 1st and a 2nd for Chychrun, with another 2nd thrown in if they agree to take on Zaitsev.

None of the other forward prospects are close to NHL ready, at least not 3rd line ready. Who replaces Pinto as 3LC if we traded him ?

The answer is an immediate no from arizona.

Good.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Chychrun is good defensively, so I'm not sure why he wouldn't improve that stat.

Chychrun would help us defensively, sure, but that's not his bread and butter. I don't get paying a premium for a guy who plays a very similar (but worse) game to Chabot, especially when we have Sanderson. This assumption by some that he can step in and excel at RD is way too nonchalant, too.

This is a common misconception held by fans and media.

League rank

GF 26th
GA 22nd

Change required to rank 16th (league median)

GF 26 more goals
GA 15 fewer goals

Change required to rank 10th in the league

GF 46 more goals
GA 32 fewer goals

Scoring was the bigger issue statistically last season.

This ignores the fact that we've added Giroux and Debrincat... which makes it not very useful for analysis.

 

[Hale The Villain]

None of the other forward prospects are close to NHL ready, at least not 3rd line ready. Who replaces Pinto as 3LC if we traded him ?

I should have said that Pinto is a no-go for me. I view him as the perfect 3rd line center going forward. Might be one of the best in the league if he hits his potential as a two-way forward ala Cirelli.

IF the Sens actually agreed to give one of them up, I'd prefer it be Greig. Doing so wouldn't hurt the team now but if DeBrincat doesn't re-sign there could be a hole at the LW position going forward that Greig might have been able to fill within a couple years. Only other guy with top 6 potential at LW is Jarventie, but he's a boom/bust guy and could easily fail if he doesn't improve his effort level.

Neither should be on the table.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I should have said that Pinto is a no-go for me. I view him as the perfect 3rd line center going forward. Might be one of the best in the league if he hits his potential as a two-way forward ala Cirelli.

IF the Sens actually agreed to give one of them up, I'd prefer it be Greig. Doing so wouldn't hurt the team now but if DeBrincat doesn't re-sign there could be a hole at the LW position going forward that Greig might have been able to fill within a couple years. Only other guy with top 6 potential at LW is Jarventie, but he's a boom/bust guy and could easily fail if he doesn't improve his effort level.

Neither should be on the table.

Exactly.