Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[Silencio]

Chychrun not close

Per Friedman, meanwhile Dreger is saying the opposite. I guess it comes down to which "insiderrrr" we trust the most.

 

[Big Muddy]

Per Friedman, meanwhile Dreger is saying the opposite. I guess it comes down to which "insiderrrr" we trust the most.

Here's what Dreger said as well: "If they want the Yotes defenceman, it will cost them their 2023 first round pick and likely Jake Sanderson."

The impression I get after reading this was he was speculating.

Here is the link so people can decide whatever they want.

Jakob Chychrun trade news: I want a chance to win the Stanley Cup - NHL Trade Rumors

Jakob Chychrun has been the the NHL rumors mill for about a year and the Arizona Coyotes still can’t find a team for their asking price. The asking price for a Chychrun trade that was reported by Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek last year is a first round draft pick and a blue chip prospect. Not many […]

www.nhltraderumor.com

 

[BankStreetParade]

Here's what Dreger said as well: "If they want the Yotes defenceman, it will cost them their 2023 first round pick and likely Jake Sanderson."

The impression I get after reading this was he was speculating.

Here is the link so people can decide whatever they want.

Jakob Chychrun trade news: I want a chance to win the Stanley Cup - NHL Trade Rumors

Jakob Chychrun has been the the NHL rumors mill for about a year and the Arizona Coyotes still can’t find a team for their asking price. The asking price for a Chychrun trade that was reported by Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek last year is a first round draft pick and a blue chip prospect. Not many […]

www.nhltraderumor.com

It would sure be nice if these insiders would learn how the game has changed and speculate with some sense. Teams don't trade unprotected first round picks or elite prospects on ELCs barring acquiring a top 10 player in the league. It just doesn't happen anymore.

 

[Bileur]

Here's what Dreger said as well: "If they want the Yotes defenceman, it will cost them their 2023 first round pick and likely Jake Sanderson."

The impression I get after reading this was he was speculating.

Here is the link so people can decide whatever they want.

Jakob Chychrun trade news: I want a chance to win the Stanley Cup - NHL Trade Rumors

Jakob Chychrun has been the the NHL rumors mill for about a year and the Arizona Coyotes still can’t find a team for their asking price. The asking price for a Chychrun trade that was reported by Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek last year is a first round draft pick and a blue chip prospect. Not many […]

www.nhltraderumor.com

I wouldn’t give Sanderson alone.

 

[aragorn]

Yes, I doubt if Kleven is the sticking point or the reason why the trade between the Yotes/Senators hasn't happened. Kleven might be one of the pieces in a trade, but not the main one.

Also, the cap is not an issue now, but it could be next year. A lot depends on how much the cap might rise. Most contracts have multi-year terms, so a GM needs to look beyond the current year and understand the downstream implications of a trade and its impact on cap. As far as next years cap is concerned, I will guess it will be closer to $85 million than $90 million even with what Daly has recently said.

It's interesting how we hear that Arz wants Pinto, Kastelic Kleven or now Sanderson instead of Brannstrom, Crookshank, Thomson or Jarventie who plays a rather soft game. I wouldn't give up any of those first four guys because I think they will make our team much better & much harder to play against. All four will help reduce the goals against while adding some offence.

 

[SlapJack]

It would sure be nice if these insiders would learn how the game has changed and speculate with some sense. Teams don't trade unprotected first round picks or elite prospects on ELCs barring acquiring a top 10 player in the league. It just doesn't happen anymore.

I look at this in the same way as the Karlsson speculation. Dallas was rumoured to be in the mix and of course Miro Heiskanen "had to be in the deal".

Dallas knew what they had and Miro was never in the mix as far as they were concerned. Ottawa wouldn't trade Sanderson for Chychrun straight up. Doesn't stop the other team from asking and ultimately kills the deal if that's the sticking point.

If Ottawa wants Chychrun, patience is key. Arizona is going to be horribly bad this year. Chychrun will be -50 and totally frustrated at the prospect of staying in Phoenix, and there will be more urgency to get rid of him as his value will decrease.

 

[Blotto71]

What is the offer for Larsson that Seattle just couldn't refuse? It would have to NOT include Zaitsev (he would have to be waived and buried, or moved in a seperate deal), but I have to think it would be significantly less than what Arizona wants for Chychrun.

(Of course, Larsson would have to agree to any deal as well given his NTC)

Formenton/Boucher/Jarventie/Crookshank/JBD/Thomson? Plus pick(s)? Combination of 3 or 4 pieces?

I respect that Larsson is important to Seattle, but feel Ottawa has the capital to make a good deal.

I look at this in the same way as the Karlsson speculation. Dallas was rumoured to be in the mix and of course Miro Heiskanen "had to be in the deal".

Dallas knew what they had and Miro was never in the mix as far as they were concerned. Ottawa wouldn't trade Sanderson for Chychrun straight up. Doesn't stop the other team from asking and ultimately kills the deal if that's the sticking point.

If Ottawa wants Chychrun, patience is key. Arizona is going to be horribly bad this year. Chychrun will be -50 and totally frustrated at the prospect of staying in Phoenix, and there will be more urgency to get rid of him as his value will decrease.

His value will decrease even further and faster when he gets injured again. WHEN not IF. I'm betting he doesn't make it to the end of October without going on IR.

 

[Big Muddy]

I wouldn’t give Sanderson alone.

Ya, I wouldn't either and I doubt if many Senator fans would.

That article seemed like Dreger speculating to me. That was my read fwiw.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Very clear we are one more top 4 away from icing NHL calibre D lineup.

Chabot-Zub .... this cannot be separated this. This needs to be a mainstay. It's a bare minimum for a legit top pair.

Sanderson-xxxxx realistically, this is where we will see the extra top 4. Hoping Hamonic can be a good option here, but we will really be hoping Sanderson breaks out similar to other top prospects in recent years.

Holden-Thomson... Brannstrom I think won't cut it defensively. Holden formed one of our best d-pairings last year with Zub as a shutdown duo but looked out of element against top teams, Holden will be more than formidable here as a bottom pair and the leader of his duo; Thomson will steal a spot if he keeps playing as he has been. Brannstrom will have about 20 games before he is seriously on thin ice.

Truthfully, if Hamonic impresses, I can see him paired with Chabot while Sanderson gets the better moving and puckmoving Zub. That's our best bet for a competent and effective top 4 that will lead us to playoffs (without external help).

 

[Xspyrit]

I wouldn’t give Sanderson alone.

If the ask is their "2023 first round pick and likely Jake Sanderson", then the rumors of Chychrun to Ottawa should have been 100% closed already.

It's something I can trust Dorion not doing. He is way too high on his own prospects (for good reason) to give them up in a trade

Plus, his first move was trading Zibanejad and a pick for an older player (6 years older) and it majorly blew up in his face so he knows the associated risks.

We have PLENTY of assets for trade including picks. If there's something to be done without giving up any of Sanderson, Pinto, Greig and Sogaard ok but if not, MOVE ON

 

[Sens Vader]

I don’t know what the deal with Hague is but that might be an option too

 

[Golden_Jet]

Very clear we are one more top 4 away from icing NHL calibre D lineup.

Chabot-Zub .... this cannot be separated this. This needs to be a mainstay. It's a bare minimum for a legit top pair.

Sanderson-xxxxx realistically, this is where we will see the extra top 4. Hoping Hamonic can be a good option here, but we will really be hoping Sanderson breaks out similar to other top prospects in recent years.

Holden-Thomson... Brannstrom I think won't cut it defensively. Holden formed one of our best d-pairings last year with Zub as a shutdown duo but looked out of element against top teams, Holden will be more than formidable here as a bottom pair and the leader of his duo; Thomson will steal a spot if he keeps playing as he has been. Brannstrom will have about 20 games before he is seriously on thin ice.

Truthfully, if Hamonic impresses, I can see him paired with Chabot while Sanderson gets the better moving and puckmoving Zub. That's our best bet for a competent and effective top 4 that will lead us to playoffs (without external help).

Sanderson won’t be with Zub, he needs someone he can converse with on the ice, and between shifts, when they discuss their previous shift.

 

[Cosmix]

Sure, why not

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Will Dorion pull another rabbit out of his hat?

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Or will it be a skunk?

 

[dumbdick]

Andrew Peeke.

Non flashy RFA2B RHD that plays 21 mins a night for columbus. Former 34th overall pick that is starting to find his game.

That's our man.

 

[bicboi64]

What is the offer for Larsson that Seattle just couldn't refuse? It would have to NOT include Zaitsev (he would have to be waived and buried, or moved in a seperate deal), but I have to think it would be significantly less than what Arizona wants for Chychrun.

(Of course, Larsson would have to agree to any deal as well given his NTC)

Formenton/Boucher/Jarventie/Crookshank/JBD/Thomson? Plus pick(s)? Combination of 3 or 4 pieces?

I respect that Larsson is important to Seattle, but feel Ottawa has the capital to make a good deal.



His value will decrease even further and faster when he gets injured again. WHEN not IF. I'm betting he doesn't make it to the end of October without going on IR.

I'd try to offer them Zaitsev, but also offer some prospects as sweeteners since the Kraken don't have the biggest prospect pool. They have high end guys that they'll hope to make an impact soon (Wright, Beniers).

They have great forward depth but I'd see if they take a combo of Zaitsev, Sokolov/Jarventie, and a 2nd for Larsson and a draft pick. We give up a solid B prospect and a 2nd not just to dump Zaitsev, but to get a stay at home defender like Larsson that's signed for a couple of seasons who's signed cheaper than Zaitsev.

 

[Blotto71]

Andrew Peeke.

Non flashy RFA2B RHD that plays 21 mins a night for columbus. Former 34th overall pick that is starting to find his game.

That's our man.

Sure, but what are the Sens giving up for the guy that lines up beside Werenski and is a primary on the PK? (And is 24yrs old and signed for 787K this year, RFA next season)

I don't think futures get it done unless the Sens are prepared to include the likes of Greig, Pinto, etc.

Best to just hope Thomson turns into a comparable player.

 

[Blotto71]

I'd try to offer them Zaitsev, but also offer some prospects as sweeteners since the Kraken don't have the biggest prospect pool. They have high end guys that they'll hope to make an impact soon (Wright, Beniers).

They have great forward depth but I'd see if they take a combo of Zaitsev, Sokolov/Jarventie, and a 2nd for Larsson and a draft pick. We give up a solid B prospect and a 2nd not just to dump Zaitsev, but to get a stay at home defender like Larsson that's signed for a couple of seasons who's signed cheaper than Zaitsev.

It would be ideal to off load Zaitsev, but I feel that offer would be low to get it done. I think Formenton + Thomson/JBD + the B forward prospect + 2nd would be needed to dump Zaitsev and get Seattle to consider asking Larsson to move.

 

[bicboi64]

It would be ideal to off load Zaitsev, but I feel that offer would be low to get it done. I think Formenton + Thomson/JBD + the B forward prospect + 2nd would be needed to dump Zaitsev and get Seattle to consider asking Larsson to move.

If they want Formenton, I'd want some of their 2nd rounders back at the least (which I'm not sure they can afford to do). Maybe someone like Donskoi and another pick since that gives them cap flexibility as well but not sure

 

[bicboi64]

I'm fine to trade Pinto for Chychrun, but only if its straight up unless some lower round picks are exchanged. Sure it weakens our top 9, but I'd rather have our top 6 and top 4 secured for at least 3 seasons than go into a season with a meh top 4 and secure top 6.

 

[saskriders]

I'm fine to trade Pinto for Chychrun, but only if its straight up unless some lower round picks are exchanged. Sure it weakens our top 9, but I'd rather have our top 6 and top 4 secured for at least 3 seasons than go into a season with a meh top 4 and secure top 6.

I think Pinto has a tonne of value because he is a good penalty killer and projects ro be a good faceoff guy. Those are two really valuable things. We have three guys that are definite top 4 defencemen. While we definitely need a fourth I don't think it is worth giving up the roles Pinto could fill.

 

[Blotto71]

If they want Formenton, I'd want some of their 2nd rounders back at the least (which I'm not sure they can afford to do). Maybe someone like Donskoi and another pick since that gives them cap flexibility as well but not sure

I don't know where Donskoi would fit but I'd be ok with Morgan Geekie coming back - he could slot in on the 4th line RW and Watson would be the 13th forward. That creates some flexibility in the event of injury with both he and Joseph able to move up the lineup if needed.

 

[dumbdick]

Sure, but what are the Sens giving up for the guy that lines up beside Werenski and is a primary on the PK? (And is 24yrs old and signed for 787K this year, RFA next season)

I don't think futures get it done unless the Sens are prepared to include the likes of Greig, Pinto, etc.

Best to just hope Thomson turns into a comparable player.

Peeke is still a project and isn't worth a fortune. Joseph or a roughly equivalent package of futures. Formenton if they add. Or Brann and a mid round pick.

Or maybe I'm way off. But this is the ballpark of a trade I'd be looking to turn and then put him in as our #4D with Sandy.

 

[Blotto71]

Peeke is still a project and isn't worth a fortune. Joseph or a roughly equivalent package of futures. Formenton if they add. Or Brann and a mid round pick.

Or maybe I'm way off. But this is the ballpark of a trade I'd be looking to turn and then put him in as our #4D with Sandy.

He may not be worth a fortune, we agree there. But he is filling the very need we have for Columbus. He's like Thomson or JBD but further along (or at least, I hope he is like one or both of them but further along). And that's why I feel the Sens would overpay for him - because Columbus would have to turn around and try to replace him.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Kings ducks and us.

Kings have a few nice pieces to move.

Can they outbid jarventie thomson and a first?

 

[DJB]

Kings ducks and us.

Kings have a few nice pieces to move.

Can they outbid jarventie thomson and a first?

Is that the rumoured three teams left?