Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[rt]

I'd rather keep him over losing a 1st in an elite draft and Greig.

I meant as an aside. I assumed Zaitsev was a negative value asset you all wanted dumped. The context of my Zaitsev inquiry was stand-alone.

It’s a good proposal, I think it’s fair. Not sure I do it though, it’s a lot to give up for a team that hasn’t made the playoffs yet, and probably wouldn’t have the cap space to keep him down the road. Feel like it’d make more sense for a team contending now, though Chychrun obviously gets us closer.

Does Chychrun play RD? I keep seeing mixed info about that so I’m curious.

Chychrun does play RD, yes. He plays both, really.

Make that top 5 protected and take Del Zotto as well and we have a deal!

I honestly thought MDZ was retired or in Europe. You can replace Zaitsev with MDZ if you want. Would that make this more palatable to Sens fans? Because Zaitsev vs MDZ is 100% inconsequential to me. I really don’t care either way.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

I would be shocked to see Greig included in any deal. I mean he's wearing his #17 at dev camp, he feels untouchable tbh.

I don't see the Sens parting ways with any of their core identity prospects. In my opinion that includes at minimum 2 forward lines and one d pairing: Greig-Pinto-Sokolov, Ostapchuk-Kastelic-Boucher, Sanderson-Kleven

The Sens already made a trade for their top six forward target so the only other big trade they will be looking to make will be for a top 4 d. They have plenty of other valuable prospects as trade chips that aren't as much identity players. In particular if they are acquiring a d man then it would make sense that one of Brannstrom, JBD or Thomson would be the key prospect going the other way.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I don't see the Sens parting ways with any of their core identity prospects. In my opinion that includes at minimum 2 forward lines and one d pairing: Greig-Pinto-Sokolov, Ostapchuk-Kastelic-Boucher, Sanderson-Kleven

The Sens already made a trade for their top six forward target so the only other big trade they will be looking to make will be for a top 4 d. They have plenty of other valuable prospects as trade chips that aren't as much identity players. In particular if they are acquiring a d man then it would make sense that one of Brannstrom, JBD or Thomson would be the key prospect going the other way.

That would be awesome, but i cant imagine acquiring a true top 4 dman and only giving up jbd or thomson or Brannstrom or even all 3.

 

[rt]

I don't see the Sens parting ways with any of their core identity prospects. In my opinion that includes at minimum 2 forward lines and one d pairing: Greig-Pinto-Sokolov, Ostapchuk-Kastelic-Boucher, Sanderson-Kleven

The Sens already made a trade for their top six forward target so the only other big trade they will be looking to make will be for a top 4 d. They have plenty of other valuable prospects as trade chips that aren't as much identity players. In particular if they are acquiring a d man then it would make sense that of Brannstrom, JBD or Thomson would be the key prospect going the other way.

Brannstrom, JBD and Thomson aren’t equivalent substitutes, though? You can’t really just swap out Greig for a significantly less valuable prospect and expect that the return asset won’t be similarly downgraded, right? Or maybe that’s what you’re saying; discount package for a discount asset?

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Coyotes fan proposal:

To OTT:
Chychrun

To ARI:
Zaitsev
Brannstrom
Greig
'23 1st (Top 2 Protected)

P.S. glad to see that Dorion changed his prescription or started eating his Wheaties or whatever happened. Excited for you guys!

Make the 1st top 5 protected and you got a deal.

 

[Korpse]

I don't see the Sens parting ways with any of their core identity prospects. In my opinion that includes at minimum 2 forward lines and one d pairing: Greig-Pinto-Sokolov, Ostapchuk-Kastelic-Boucher, Sanderson-Kleven

Sanderson, Pinto and Greig sure. I think everyone else could be on the table. Not everyone is going to be able to make the NHL team and while it's nice to have options and a full cupboard I think it would be wise to use those assets to acquire a piece that could help now.

 

[Emerica]

I would do that Yotes deal with top-5 protected pick. Love Greig but we have good prospect depth on the wings.

 

[rt]

I would do that Yotes deal with top-5 protected pick. Love Greig but we have good prospect depth on the wings.

Would you rather give up Zaitsev or MDZ?

Make the 1st top 5 protected and you got a deal.

And Zaitsev or MDZ for your preferred dump?

 

[Hale The Villain]

It's a fair offer and one the Sens should probably take if offered.

The big concern I have with acquiring a top 4 D (or a top 6 forward for that matter) is whether we'll still have enough money in the budget to re-sign Zub.

If trading assets for Chychrun means Zub walks in a year, screw that.

 

[rt]

It's a fair offer and one the Sens should probably take if offered.

The big concern I have with acquiring a top 4 D (or a top 6 forward for that matter) is whether we'll still have enough money in the budget to re-sign Zub.

If trading assets for Chychrun means Zub walks in a year, screw that.

Chychrun is cheap. 4.6aav

 

[Hale The Villain]

Chychrun is cheap. 4.6aav

Things are going to be real tight in a year, especially if we end up signing Giroux.

Sens management was already talking about replacing Zub internally with Thomson/JBD back when they gave him a 2 year bridge instead of a long-term deal.

Add another top 4 D making 5M in 2023/24 and 7M in 2024/25 and I don't know if they'll be able to pony up the 5-6M Zub will probably command.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Brannstrom, JBD and Thomson aren’t equivalent substitutes, though? You can’t really just swap out Greig for a significantly less valuable prospect and expect that the return asset won’t be similarly downgraded, right? Or maybe that’s what you’re saying; discount package for a discount asset?

Different organizations will value the prospects differently based on organizational needs. If a particular team doesn't value a prospect as highly then other assets might be added to make such a deal work.

The Sens are shopping for a top 4 d man and they may have options for both trades and free agents. They have a good set of assets that they will be willing to package together to make a deal work. If a potential trade partner's asking price is too high then they will just consider other options. They have an organizational plan and some prospects they will simply do not want to part with.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I guess the only thing that concerns me about Chychrun is his recent injury history.

 

[rt]

Different organizations will value the prospects differently based on organizational needs. If a particular team doesn't value a prospect as highly then other assets might be added to make such a deal work.

The Sens are shopping for a top 4 d man and they may have options for both trades and free agents. They have a good set of assets that they will be willing to package together to make a deal work. If a potential trade partner's asking price is too high then they will just consider other options. They have an organizational plan and some prospects they will simply do not want to part with.

Hmmm…I don’t know man. The delta between Greig and Brannstrom is bigger than Brannstrom’s total value, I think. Right?

 

[bert]

That would be awesome, but i cant imagine acquiring a true top 4 dman and only giving up jbd or thomson or Brannstrom or even all 3.

Yeah not happening. They might be able to dump Zaitsev by adding one of them then throw the bag at Manson.

Would Arizona do Bernard- Docker and Zaitsev for a 3rd 2023? I'd probably consider that.

I guess the only thing that concerns me about Chychrun is his recent injury history.

And he is a LD naturally. Not the smartest player but a true physical specimen.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

That would be awesome, but i cant imagine acquiring a true top 4 dman and only giving up jbd or thomson or Brannstrom or even all 3.

It wouldn't be only giving up one of them. The core of the deal would likely be Connor Brown plus one of Brannstrom, JBD or Thomson. If the Sens plan on signing a goalie then Gustavsson would also be offered as part of that package.

In addition they would still have the 2023 1st and 2nd round picks and a few other prospects like Jarventie for example if there was a really good deal available that needed a sweetner.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Hmmm…I don’t know man. The delta between Greig and Brannstrom is bigger than Brannstrom’s total value, I think. Right?

Maybe, but that is where JBD and Thomson come in. If a team doesn't value Brannstrom as high then they might value JBD or Thomson higher. The other team gets a good prospect as part of the trade.

By itself those assets aren't enough to make a deal happen but as part of a package they could be compelling. Connor Brown would be part of the package as well. Brown could be kept and offered an extension, flipped at the deadline for likely a 1st and a prospect or traded again this offseason to another team that really wants him. For example Brown played with McDavid in junior and the Oilers are likely very high on him. A team could acquire Brown and then trade him to Edmonton for Puljujarvi plus possibly a high pick.

Then on top of that the Sens could add a 2023 pick and a goalie prospect like Gustavsson if they decide to sign a free agent goalie which would make him expendable.

Sometimes it isn't about targeting the assets you want for your organization and instead trying to assess the market to find out how you could flip that asset again to another team that needs it and get an asset that you are really looking for. For example, Connor Brown has a $3.6m cap hit. If a team acquires him that is not looking to compete next season they can wait until the free agent market dries up and then shop him to teams that want to compete. Maybe a team missed out on some of the free agents or maybe they signed some and are now in cap trouble. There are a lot of teams that might be willing to pay a hefty price for a player of his caliber with such a low cap hit. Therefore his initial acquisition might not be as appealing to a team not looking to compete, but what he could be flipped for and being able to take advantage of the market to maximize his return could be very appealing.

 

[saskriders]

I meant as an aside. I assumed Zaitsev was a negative value asset you all wanted dumped. The context of my Zaitsev inquiry was stand-alone.


Chychrun does play RD, yes. He plays both, really.


I honestly thought MDZ was retired or in Europe. You can replace Zaitsev with MDZ if you want. Would that make this more palatable to Sens fans? Because Zaitsev vs MDZ is 100% inconsequential to me. I really don’t care either way.

Zaitsev is definitely negative. But I'm pretty high on guys even outside the top two. I'm hesitant to trade that pick for anything but a great deal. And even if I were to trade it I'd want it to be more like if Ottawa misses the playoffs it slides a year.

 

[Answer]

Is Zaitsev off our roster yet?

 

[rt]

I can’t get a read on who you guys would rather dump, Zaitsev or Del Zotto?

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I can’t get a read on who you guys would rather dump, Zaitsev or Del Zotto?

Zaitsev, definitely.

 

[Ouroboros]

I can’t get a read on who you guys would rather dump, Zaitsev or Del Zotto?

Zaitsev.

Fairly high chance that Del Zotto is bought out tomorrow.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I’m not sure why Chicago won’t take Zaitsev or MDZ with a sweetener considering they’re in full tank mode.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

The Sens should give Martin Frk a contract. He has a killer shot, is coming off 40 goals in the AHL, and is a character guy. They will be able to get him for cheap.

They should get Giroux and then sign Frk as well. If he works out we will have excellent RW depth and a real solid shooting threat for our 2nd power play unit.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

The fact that G is still on the table even after getting DeBrincat, I think, is what's especially surprising. I'd figured the ship had sailed once we went in on Brink.

Exactly. Unreal.