Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[BondraTime]

I understand the desire for players to have NTCs so they control where they will play and when trades might be made. I can see offering an NTC with escape clauses for trades at the TDL and during the summer months to provide some stability during the season.


We already will get the chance to sign the real Forsberg on Wednesday.

No we won’t

 

[Gil Gunderson]

What's the concern with giving Giroux some form of trade protection? First of all, hopefully he'd be here for the balance of his career so it wouldn't matter. But if it doesn't work out and you have to move him are you worried that you might have to take a little less in trade for a player you acquired for nothing to begin with?

Crazy to let an opportunity like this slip through your fingers quibbling over a standard NMC.

I don't think it would be an issue but the Sens reeeaally don't like giving trade protection. Compare how many NTC's/NMC's we've given out compared to other teams. It just wouldn't surprise me to see the opportunity slip for such a dumb reason like this.

 

[bert]

Too bad he wants out.

Does he want out or is he just a good guy that informed management that he was going to test free agency so it doesnt catch them by surprise? Seems like that kind of person to me. I think its pretty obvious what happened he watched Paul one of his best friends go on a run. Paul told him what it was like playing on a contender and high class organization.

The sens have the power not the player, he is in a contract year he is going to play hard if they dont trade him. He wont be a distraction. Brown will have way more trade value later on in the year than now. There are so many available UFA's. Alot of these guys are going to have to take less than they thought, its a buyers market. The savy GM's will be the ones that wait this year. The top guys will get snapped up but there will be some real bargains for guys that will take short deals because they need the cap to go up.

 

[swiftwin]

Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Debrincat Stutzle Brown
Formenton Pinto Joseph
Kelly Kastelic Watson
Gambrell

Connor Brown is the perfect guy to play with them, he is great defensively and a puck hound. Has the ability to score 25 goals. Someone has to do the dirty work.

Agreed.

The more I think about it, the more I think Giroux is not in the cards for us. We just can't commit more than 2 years to Giroux. We'll need to sign Stutzle next summer, and Sanderson the following summer. We'll be in a huge cap crunch in 2024-25 if we sign Giroux for 3 years or more. By then, he'll also be on the decline at a point where we should be looking to stack up for a deep playoff run. We'd end up in a similar position as the Leafs were when they had to pay a 1st rounder dump Marleau for his final year of his 3yr deal.

Despite that, I still really want him. The heart says yes, but the head says no.

We would really need a good discount to have Giroux for 3 or more years.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

I wonder if Brown has changed his mind regarding wanting to test free agency after the Sens
picked up Debrincat, and are looking for a defenseman.

 

[Emerica]

Samsonov not given a QO by Washington

 

[swiftwin]

If we don't sign Giroux, we should keep Brown until at least the TDL. If we're in a playoff spot, we ride him to UFA. If not, we trade him as a rental.

 

[benjiv1]

You can absolutely afford Giroux on 3 years. Norris, Stutzle and Sanderson’s contracts will all be middle loaded, buying time before we owe them massive $.

 

[GCK]

Does he want out or is he just a good guy that informed management that he was going to test free agency so it doesnt catch them by surprise? Seems like that kind of person to me. I think its pretty obvious what happened he watched Paul one of his best friends go on a run. Paul told him what it was like playing on a contender and high class organization.

The sens have the power not the player, he is in a contract year he is going to play hard if they dont trade him. He wont be a distraction. Brown will have way more trade value later on in the year than now. There are so many available UFA's. Alot of these guys are going to have to take less than they thought, its a buyers market. The savy GM's will be the ones that wait this year. The top guys will get snapped up but there will be some real bargains for guys that will take short deals because they need the cap to go up.

According to AJ, there have been rumours circulating that Brown was looking for a “change of scenery”

 

[bert]

Agreed.

The more I think about it, the more I think Giroux is not in the cards for us. We just can't commit more than 2 years to Giroux. We'll need to sign Stutzle next summer, and Sanderson the following summer. We'll be in a huge cap crunch in 2024-25 if we sign Giroux for 3 years or more. By then, he'll also be on the decline at a point where we should be looking to stack up for a deep playoff run. We'd end up in a similar position as the Leafs were when they had to pay a 1st rounder dump Marleau for his final year of his 3yr deal.

Despite that, I still really want him. The heart says yes, but the head says no.

We would really need a good discount to have Giroux for 3 or more years.

I agree with you. When you take an actual deep dive and look at this teams contract situations they really cant afford to commit money to a top 4 d man plus a forward for more than two years of term. The real hole is on the back end the forwards slot in really well now that they got Debrincat. This team will be a real contender probably in 2023-2024. Realistically yeah they probably lose Brown after this year, but they still need him to get them to the playoffs and get experience. By the 2023-2024 season a player within the organization likely develops into a top 9 forward. One of Grieg or Sokolov should be ready by then. That doesnt mean Brown isnt important to the team right now.

According to AJ, there have been rumours circulating that Brown was looking for a “change of scenery”

So what. You think he is going to no show in a contract year? He is going to motivated as hell. Means a deal to a contender if the sens arent in it and if they are he will show his value for the following summer when he hits UFA.

 

[swiftwin]

I wonder if Brown has changed his mind regarding wanting to test free agency after the Sens
picked up Debrincat, and are looking for a defenseman.

I doubt it. Brown is going to start slipping down the depth chart, and he's due for a big retirement contract. He's been underpaid for most of his career. He's 28 years old, and his playstyle relies on his motor and tenacity. He needs that big pay day.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

According to AJ, there have been rumours circulating that Brown was looking for a “change of scenery”

Heard that as well while listening. Apparently he’s heard a few things throughout the year

 

[JD1]

I think it all depends on what Giroux is thinking. He's made 78.5M playing hockey. 3 years at 5, 6, 7 or 8 doesn't really change things financially. He's wealthy. But those numbers change perception. He's a hometown guy. It's tough to walk around your hometown with a contract you aren't living up to.

In 3 years, he ends the year at 37. Maybe that's time for him.

I don't believe the 5 year @ 8 I read earlier

I'd do 3 at 6. Beyond that price I'd be nervous for both the team and for Giroux. If his game slides, and it likely will, it's a tough burden.

Don't think I'd do 4 or more years

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

You can absolutely afford Giroux on 3 years. Norris, Stutzle and Sanderson’s contracts will all be middle loaded, buying time before we owe them massive $.

Absolutely. For a team that doesn't draw quality free agents, are we really going to turn away a guy like this if he's interested, because of one extra year?

We can accommodate it and do some shuffling if necessary. The problem I see is the potential he might not live up to it, but I'm prepared to take the risk.

If we try to keep Brown we're probably not looking at a ton less in aav anyways and I'd rather have Giroux.

 

[benjiv1]

I think it all depends on what Giroux is thinking. He's made 78.5M playing hockey. 3 years at 5, 6, 7 or 8 doesn't really change things financially. He's wealthy. But those numbers change perception. He's a hometown guy. It's tough to walk around your hometown with a contract you aren't living up to.

In 3 years, he ends the year at 37. Maybe that's time for him.

I don't believe the 5 year @ 8 I read earlier

I'd do 3 at 6. Beyond that price I'd be nervous for both the team and for Giroux. If his game slides, and it likely will, it's a tough burden.

Don't think I'd do 4 or more years

I think 3 years at 6 structured as 7-6-5 makes a ton of sense for everyone.

 

[swiftwin]

You can absolutely afford Giroux on 3 years. Norris, Stutzle and Sanderson’s contracts will all be middle loaded, buying time before we owe them massive $.

Don't forget DeBrincat will be UFA eligible that season too.

 

[bert]

I think it all depends on what Giroux is thinking. He's made 78.5M playing hockey. 3 years at 5, 6, 7 or 8 doesn't really change things financially. He's wealthy. But those numbers change perception. He's a hometown guy. It's tough to walk around your hometown with a contract you aren't living up to.

In 3 years, he ends the year at 37. Maybe that's time for him.

I don't believe the 5 year @ 8 I read earlier

I'd do 3 at 6. Beyond that price I'd be nervous for both the team and for Giroux. If his game slides, and it likely will, it's a tough burden.

Don't think I'd do 4 or more years

Thats the type of contract he signs with a proven contender. He will come here for more term or money. He wants a cup.

Don't forget DeBrincat will be UFA eligible that season too.

Bingo. Thats when this team really should be hitting its peak. Need to keep him around for more than 2 years.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

This team is missing a mentor that can actually play, and Giroux fills that need. Now's not the time to dwell on slight overpayments. They need to get it right this time.

 

[GCK]

I think it all depends on what Giroux is thinking. He's made 78.5M playing hockey. 3 years at 5, 6, 7 or 8 doesn't really change things financially. He's wealthy. But those numbers change perception. He's a hometown guy. It's tough to walk around your hometown with a contract you aren't living up to.

In 3 years, he ends the year at 37. Maybe that's time for him.

I don't believe the 5 year @ 8 I read earlier

I'd do 3 at 6. Beyond that price I'd be nervous for both the team and for Giroux. If his game slides, and it likely will, it's a tough burden.

Don't think I'd do 4 or more years

He’s not coming here for for 3 years at a big discount. 4 x 6.5 maybe.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I guess Marino is off the table now with Malking heading to free agency.

 

[Loach]

Heard that as well while listening. Apparently he’s heard a few things throughout the year

Could you guys elaborate on this please?

 

[GCK]

I guess Marino is off the table now with Malking heading to free agency.

Johnny Hockey’s price just went up.

 

[benjiv1]

Don't forget DeBrincat will be UFA eligible that season too.

I didn’t, but don’t think you could justify a mid or backloaded contract to someone making 9M the next 2 seasons.

 

[Tuna99]

I guess Marino is off the table now with Malking heading to free agency.

Do it Bowman, show your worth

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sonny Milano cut loose.
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