Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[Do Make Say Think]

If they want say Pinto/Grieg + 2023 1st (Protected) + JBD

Do we do that? Something in that range with Pinto/Grieg and the protected 1st being the cornerstone.

I am not sure I would, considering it sounds like there may be lesser but still good options to be had at a more reasonable cost of assets for natural RDs.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Same old song and dance with you. There is no saying what we could have gotten for Brown at last years deadline, not a lot of contenders want to acquire term at that point. Brown would probably have the most value at this year’s deadline but it sounds like he is moving now.

Common sense.

Contenders would have loved to add a good 2nd line forward in Brown at a 3.6M cap hit for next season.

Coleman returned a 1st + recently first round draft prospect and Hagel returned two 1sts + more for similar reasons.

Brown's contract wasn't quite as good but we could have easily gotten a 1st + another nice asset. Now it might be a 2nd + nice asset.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Also, you can bet McDavid is pushing for him since they played together in Erie. He knows how valuable a puck retriever like Brown would be on his line, compared to toilet paper soft Puljujarvi.

Combine that with Holland's timeline of probably 2 years... you might be able to get a great return.

Seriously, yeah. Not only that, but they did really well with the Hyman experiment, so adding another of his caliber would be looked upon fondly by McDavid and fans etc.

Brown fits Edmonton like a glove right now. I'm looking to talk to his agent if I'm Holland to see if there's ANY chance of an immediate extension, but I'm still very actively looking to trade Pulj for him plus a 2nd.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I agree but I wonder if he would have more value traded at the deadline even if we are contending for the playoffs. Selling him to a team desperate could get us a late 1st next year. I am not sure what his value is right now to teams but if I was Dorion and didn't love the offers I'd consider holding out and doing it at the deadline.

Possibly, but there’s atill the risk of injury and his production is likely going down with Debrincat and possibly Giroux on the team. He’s not getting those same oppurtinities he had the last two years.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I am not sure I would, considering it sounds like there may be lesser but still good options to be had at a more reasonable cost of assets for natural RDs.

I'm very on the fence about it. Chychrun is the best D man available but yeah he's going to be the most expensive by leaps and bounds.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Seriously, yeah. Not only that, but they did really well with the Hyman experiment, so adding another of his caliber would be looked upon fondly by McDavid and fans etc.

Brown fits Edmonton like a glove right now. I'm looking to talk to his agent if I'm Holland to see if there's ANY chance of an immediate extension, but I'm still very actively looking to trade Pulj for him plus a 2nd.

And if I'm Ottawa I balk at Puljujarvi and ask for either Xavier Bourgault or Carter Savoie.

 

[Bileur]

So we've taken Formenton and Brown out and added Pulj. No merci

I’d also rather keep Formenton, I was just going on the premise that he and Brown had been traded as proposed by the post I quoted.

With Formenton, I’d bump Kelly out of the lineup and have Formenton on the 4th with Kastelic and Watson.

 

[SpezDispenser]

And if I'm Ottawa I balk at Puljujarvi and ask for either Xavier Bourgault or Carter Savoie.

If I'm Holland, I say, you're taking Pulj. If you want Bourgault you can add onto Brown, if you want Savoie, I guess I'll take back the 2nd and make it Savoie and Pool. You can add in a 4th though.
However...I don't think he's that smart, honestly I don't.

EDIT, maybe no 4th needed from Ottawa

To Edmonton:
Brown

To Ottawa:
Savoie
Pool
4th

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I agree but I wonder if he would have more value traded at the deadline even if we are contending for the playoffs. Selling him to a team desperate could get us a late 1st next year. I am not sure what his value is right now to teams but if I was Dorion and didn't love the offers I'd consider holding out and doing it at the deadline.

Risk you run there is Brown getting injured and getting you no return at all, which'd be the worst-case scenario. Selling him here is the safer call, but I bet you're right that the return would be higher at the deadline for a player of Brown's skillset. Interesting thought experiment... not sure where I land on this one.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If Chicago really wants Bedard they should trade for Zaitsev right now, might even get a sweetener.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Possibly, but there’s atill the risk of injury and his production is likely going down with Debrincat and possibly Giroux on the team. He’s not getting those same oppurtinities he had the last two years.

You're right. It's hard to know what the right play is and I don't want to use hindsight to dictate it. I don't envy Dorion's position atm tbh. If you lose Brown and you roll Joseph - Pinto - Formenton and they suck then what ? In a perfect world we keep him and still add players but obviously that's not possible. Maybe Dorion waits to see if he lands a big fish in UFA and if he doesn't then he keeps Brown and use him or Formenton in the top 6 to start the season ?

 

[GCK]

Common sense.

Contenders would have loved to add a good 2nd line forward in Brown at a 3.6M cap hit for next season.

Coleman returned a 1st + recently first round draft prospect and Hagel returned two 1sts + more for similar reasons.

Brown's contract wasn't quite as good but we could have easily gotten a 1st + another nice asset. Now it might be a 2nd + nice asset.

I don’t know about that.

2 runs with Coleman at 1.8
3 runs with Hagel at 1.5

Vs

2 runs with Brown at 3.6

Is a big difference. Now if Melnyk wasn’t still around maybe we could have retained on him and hit a home run.

I think either way the lowest return on Brown will be this summer.

 

[Sweatred]

I doubt Browns production is great if we acquire Giroux and he’s on a line with Pinto, Joseph, and Greig or whoever.

He doesn’t even project for PP2 time which isn’t great for his trade value or UFA potential. Probably why hes
Basically forcing a trade .

 

[2CHAINZ]

Risk you run there is Brown getting injured and getting you no return at all, which'd be the worst-case scenario. Selling him here is the safer call, but I bet you're right that the return would be higher at the deadline for a player of Brown's skillset. Interesting thought experiment... not sure where I land on this one.

Ya I agree and understand I posted to Gil it's not a position I envy being in.

 

[OUT HOUSE]

If you're annoyed by how long this is taking, because I know I am, just remember that Tierney is no longer a Senator.

 

[2CHAINZ]

If Chicago really wants Bedard they shiuld trade for Zaitsev right now, might even get a sweetener.

Zaisev + Murray and tell them to sign Josh Brown and they are a shoe-in.

 

[GCK]

I’d like to just go on record that retaining more than 33% and adding a 3rd to unload Murray is a massive overpay IMO. I’m afraid, very afraid.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Hamonic is a wasted asset. We gave up too much and needed him for what exactly? Another bottom pairing defensemen like Holden and MDZ?

Dorion said he wanted to build his roster at the deadline so that players have the change to play with each other and used that as a reasoning to get Hamonic only for us to see big changes this offseason in said roster.

Hell i wouldn't be surprised if Tor is trying to unload Holl on us who is yet another bottom pairing guy who could probably be had for way less than we paid for Hamonic.

I would never have given up a 3rd for Hamonic at the TDL myself.

However, now that he's here he's the one to keep rather than Zaitsev who is signed beyond this year.

Hamonic is not a bad player. I didn't like the trade per se, but we have him now and he is much better than Zaitsev.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I would never have given up a 3rd for Hamonic at the TDL myself.

However, now that he's here he's the one to keep rather than Zaitsev who is signed beyond this year.

Hamonic is not a bad player. I didn't like the trade per se, but we have him now and he is much better than Zaitsev.

If they bring in a RD for the top 4, Holden-Hamonic is a very solid 3rd pairing. And if we were to be in contention for the playoffs, we'd probably be happy to give up a 3rd for a Hamonic-like rental at the deadline this year, if we didn't already have him.

 

[2CHAINZ]

If you're annoyed by how long this is taking, because I know I am, just remember that Tierney is no longer a Senator.

Is it weird that late at night I don't use adult sites when I am lonely, I log on to capfriendly and just stare at this

 

[Bileur]

If Chicago really wants Bedard they shiuld trade for Zaitsev right now, might even get a sweetener.

Listen Chicago, if you don’t give us a pick for Zaitsev, we’ll just have to trade the tank commander to Arizona. Good luck with those odds.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

1st and formenton and lassi for chycrun f*** it I’ll do it.

 

[Wondercarrot]

I don’t think he’s the reason for that. I’m wait and see on Hamonic. I don’t care about his “good” play here nor do I care about his bad ply in Vancouver. Let’s see what he can do. I’m not optimistic though

If we land a legit top 4 D, then playing Hamonic as the 3rd pair RHD 15-17 min night I’d say makes our D extremely deep (while also being a poor use of cap space).

 

[Mingus Dew]

1st and formenton and lassi for chycrun f*** it I’ll do it.

Protected first then yeah I'm with you brother.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

If we're trading Brown to Edmonton, I expect it will just be for picks and/or a prospect. Dorion is probably trying to make room for Giroux.