Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[JungleBeat]

Zaitsev is not a serviceable dman in any scenario.

I'd take Evander Kane on the Sens easily on a two year deal.

 

[Tuna99]

Jesse seems like a guy who would fit in with the team vibes.

They would definitely have to sweeten the deal though.

Between the cranial parts of Poo-party and Zaitsev the team doctor might be able to come up with a full brain for one of them to use

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

With Brown's slightly backloaded salary and need of an extension, I see it as a cheaper swap for cost certainty sort of thing. Extend Pulj on a 3 year deal typ thing while Brown looks to cash in.

 

[HSF]

I get what you're saying but Hamonic, in his short time here, has played much better than Zaitsev. It's not really close IMO.

MDZ is a LD so it's a different comparison but I'd still take Hamonic over him any day of the week.

Good teams have Hamonic-type players on their 3rd pairing at $3M. They don't have Zaitsev-types making $4.75M in their lineup. Period. Getting out from under Z's deal is important. To me it's more important than moving Murray who has demonstrated that he could be a good player. He might recoup value. Zaitsev just needs to go ASAP.

Hamonic is a wasted asset. We gave up too much and needed him for what exactly? Another bottom pairing defensemen like Holden and MDZ?

Dorion said he wanted to build his roster at the deadline so that players have the change to play with each other and used that as a reasoning to get Hamonic only for us to see big changes this offseason in said roster.

Hell i wouldn't be surprised if Tor is trying to unload Holl on us who is yet another bottom pairing guy who could probably be had for way less than we paid for Hamonic.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

11-6-2 record with him in the lineup, we could do worse.

I don’t think he’s the reason for that. I’m wait and see on Hamonic. I don’t care about his “good” play here nor do I care about his bad ply in Vancouver. Let’s see what he can do. I’m not optimistic though

 

[Bevans]

Agree.

And Campbell is using Dubas to get a better deal out of Edmonton.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Medical thing sounds like BS.

Aren't most trades contingent on passing a physical/exam anyways? Like the deal gets signed up and the trade goes through but the player still needs a clean bill from the acquiring team's doctors?

These "intense" discussions have been going on for too long with no trade.

We have cash concerns and Toronto has cap concerns so this could involve a third team and players with NTCs.

Lots of moving parts and we want to get rid of Murray yesterday.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Seems like a lot of dominos need to fall. These rumors make it seem like each move is dependent on something else happening.

If we move Murray and Zaitsev, we'll have room to go after Giroux.
If Giroux chooses to sign here, Brown will become expendable.
If we move Brown and get Puljujarvi back, we'll be able to include Formenton in a deal for a RD.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Seems like a lot of dominos need to fall. These rumors make it seem like each move is dependent on something else happening.

If we move Murray and Zaitsev, we'll have room to go after Giroux.
If Giroux chooses to sign here, Brown will become expendable.
If we move Brown and get Puljujarvi back, we'll be able to include Formenton in a deal for a RD.

Yeah. It's the GM's job to coordinate this dance. That's the whole point of having a savvy GM.

We'll see what happens I guess.

 

[Hale The Villain]

There would definitely need to be a significant plus to Puljujarvi for it to be a fair swap.

Rumour has it that no team has been willing to offer much for Puljujarvi, much like how no team has been willing to offer much for Brannstrom.

If they were offered a 2nd round pick they'd probably take it for him at this point. I imagine most of the offers have been a 3rd or lower.

I'm still pissed off we didn't trade Brown at the deadline. Dorion should have been discussing terms with Brown and his agent on an extension and figured out that he wasn't interested in staying. Would have gotten way more in return at the deadline than trading him now in the off-season. Terrible asset management to deal him now.

 

[ATdaisuki]

IF we trade Brown and Formenton, I still wouldn't want Puljujarvi.

DeBrincat - Stützle - Giroux (pls)
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Kastelic/Gabrell - Watson

Cheaper and should be just as good. And cost no assets.

I've wanted Puljujarvi in the past because he's a great athlete and our mid-level wingers sucked. We don't have room for him anymore.

 

[Tuna99]

And Campbell is using Dubas to get a better deal out of Edmonton.

Edmonton only has 14 signed player and only $15 million in cap space. Maybe there’s a fit for Campbell and he’s be great in Edmonton, but looks tight already without adding a $6 million goalien

 

[GCK]

Zaitsev is quite a bit more useful than Kassian.

- Right-shooting defencemen are a scarce resource, so they have value, even with deficiencies in their game. Teams need warm bodies to play that side. Look at Cody Ceci. He's had no problems finding jobs. Big, physical RWers are not scarce.

- Zaitsev can play 18-22 minutes a night. He can eat up minutes on a bad team. Kassian, even on a bad team, isn't playing more than 10-12 minutes.

I don't think Zaitsev willd cost as much to move as Kassian.

And Zaitsev has a lower salary than cap hit which is enticing.

 

[Hale The Villain]

IF we trade Brown and Formenton, I still wouldn't want Puljujarvi.

DeBrincat - Stützle - Giroux (pls)
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Kastelic/Gabrell - Watson

Cheaper and should be just as good. And cost no assets.

I've wanted Puljujarvi in the past because he's a great athlete and our mid-level wingers sucked. We don't have room for him anymore.

Greig probably needs a year in the AHL. Even if he could play it's probably best for his development he starts there.

 

[GCK]

Ghost was on pace for 18 goals and 40 points over 82 games when the trade was made.

He was, is and will always be a far superior player

Ghost earned his nickname with his defensive play. Points are nice but so is defending.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Chris Johnston seemed to suggest we would get Puljujarvi back in a Brown to Edmonton deal

Has to be more to it. Do not see the attraction at all straight up

 

[DaveMatthew]

Puljujarvi and his agent also seem like they think his value is much higher than it is. I don't think signing him, even to a 1-year deal, would be much cheaper than Brown's $3.5 cap hit or $4M he's actually owed.

Bet he asks for $3-3.5M. Slightly less than DeBrusk.

 

[ATdaisuki]

Greig probably needs a year in the AHL. Even if he could play it's probably best for his development he starts there.

And yet I'm still confident he could provide a similar impact to Puljujarvi in that role. I am in the Greig will be better than Formenton camp though.

 

[Daffy]

Zaitsev is not a serviceable dman in any scenario.

I'd take Evander Kane on the Sens easily on a two year deal.

No thanks. Want nothing to do with that loser.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Has to be more to it. Do not see the attraction at all straight up

Yeah that trade sucks. Even with futures attached to him, like a 2023 first round pick, it doesn't really make a ton of sense either.

 

[DaveMatthew]

And Zaitsev has a lower salary than cap hit which is enticing.

Right, Zaitsev is only owed $7M in dollars over the next two seasons now that the bonus is paid. So you're getting him with 25% retention.

And teams are always looking at depth RD for playoff runs. You could trade him next year at the deadline for a mid-round pick.

It's not unrealistic to come away with a 2nd + 5th from Ottawa for taking him on, and then another 3rd or 4th at the deadline next year. 3 picks for $7M while buying time for a prospect to develop at the AHL or with easier minutes.

 

[Hale The Villain]

And Zaitsev has a lower salary than cap hit which is enticing.

So does Kassian.

Kassian makes 5.8M in salary over the next 2 years. Even with Zaitsev's bonus paid for this year he makes 7M over the next 2 years.

 

[cudi]

 

[DaveMatthew]

So does Kassian.

Kassian makes 5.8M in salary over the next 2 years. Even with Zaitsev's bonus paid for this year he makes 7M over the next 2 years.

Kassian and Zaitsev just aren't comparable.

It was also more important for Edmonton to move Kassian than it is for us to move Zaitsev. We've already paid the bonus. While I'm sure we want to get the other $2.5M off the books, it's not critical. We don't need the cap space, so I don't think there'd be the same amount as urgency as there was in Edmonton.

If it's too expensive to move him this summer, we can try again next.

Or wait until some team's defense gets riddled by injuries. There's always a couple.

There's probably more urgency to move Murray (obviously) and Brown than there is to move Zaitsev, since both guys are owed much more next year.

 

[Sens Vader]

Has to be more to it. Do not see the attraction at all straight up

I'm just listening to his live right now, he actually said he's not sure how high the Sens are on Puljujarvi

so yes I would assume if it goes down we would be getting more assets