Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[Micklebot]

Oh boy

I had speculated a while ago that perhaps the reason we were so eager to trade him was that he wasn't eligible to be bought out due to injury... not great.

Tbh, I've never liked the injury clause; I get the idea of not allowing a buyout when the player has a long term injury, but happening to be injured short term during the offseason with a 4 week recovery time for example, preventing a buyout makes no sense.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

So if he’s not cleared to play could we not just stash him on LTIR? Not really familiar with the restrictions and rules. Maybe i should ask a Lightning fan

It doesn’t sound like he’s insured if we’re so desperate to move him.

I really hope we don’t miss out on someone like Giroux because Dorion gave him that dumb contract.

 

[Alfie11]

Leafers think we are going to add Pinto in the deal with Murray

I saw
Leafs: Murray (50% Retained)+ Pinto ("sweetener")

Sens: Holl or Kerfoot + 50% Retention on Murray

Honestly, I don't think non-Sens fans really understand his potential.

Pinto is a big part of the future here.

 

[Micklebot]

If Deangelo why not Evander Kane?

Don't ask me, I think both are bad ideas :/

 

[swiftwin]

If Deangelo why not Evander Kane?

Why not both? Would make for amazing fireworks.

 

[Dingleberry]

We already know what the price to move Murray is at 25% retention - two 2nd round picks or so. Maybe one 2nd round pick at 50%.

 

[Tragedy]

If Deangelo why not Evander Kane?

One is a racist dickhead and one is an alleged abuser and rapist I think there is quite a difference

 

[BankStreetParade]

I had speculated a while ago that perhaps the reason we were so eager to trade him was that he wasn't eligible to be bought out due to injury... not great.

Tbh, I've never liked the injury clause; I get the idea of not allowing a buyout when the player has a long term injury, but happening to be injured short term during the offseason with a 4 week recovery time for example, preventing a buyout makes no sense.

The buyout system needs to be revamped and I think as part of that concession the players should negotiate for cap exceptions like a mid-level or something like that. High contact sports with increased possibility of injury should have more flexibility to offload players through buyout or to open a re-negotiation of the contract or to have some sort of guaranteed vs. non-guaranteed money kind of situation to help teams navigate tough contracts when that time comes. Cap exceptions can help keep money in the game and maybe prevent teams from using the LTIR loophole like they used to use the minor league loophole to stash guys in the AHL.

 

[Micklebot]

The buyout system needs to be revamped and I think as part of that concession the players should negotiate for cap exceptions like a mid-level or something like that. High contact sports with increased possibility of injury should have more flexibility to offload players through buyout or to open a re-negotiation of the contract or to have some sort of guaranteed vs. non-guaranteed money kind of situation to help teams navigate tough contracts when that time comes. Cap exceptions can help keep money in the game and maybe prevent teams from using the LTIR loophole like they used to use the minor league loophole to stash guys in the AHL.

Well, LTIR is the cap concession for injured players. The issue is more financial; players don't want to lose 33% of their salary because of an injury, which is fair imo. Insurance covers the team side on that front. But, if that injury isn't expected to prevent them from suiting up to start the season, why should it prevent a buyout? Everything works fine for guys who are forced to retire due to injury in the current system (well for the most part anyways), but for the minor stuff that's conveniently timed, not so much.

 

[Masked]

Where the f*** is all of this money coming from??

Besides, the worst possible thing to do right now is commit big $$ to Klingberg (thank god DeAngelo didn’t happen either…). We have several good players either needing or going to be need substantial raises within the next couple of seasons.

I'd guess moving out Brown, Murray and Zaitsev as well as buying out White is some of the money. The cap is also expected to go up soon and when it does it should skyrocket.

Assen na yo!

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

I'd guess moving out Brown, Murray and Zaitsev as well as buying out White is some of the money. The cap is also expected to go up soon and when it does it should skyrocket.

Assen na yo!

No honestly lol, what are their combined cap hits, like $15 million? That’s almost Giroux, Klingberg and Debrincat if they’re all making $6 a year this year. Shows you how brutal some of those contracts are

 

[Sens Vader]

 

[Gil Gunderson]

No honestly lol, what are their combined cap hits, like $15 million? That’s almost Giroux, Klingberg and Debrincat if they’re all making $6 a year this year. Shows you how brutal some of those contracts are

There is still Hamonic and Del Zotto. So much money being flushed down the toilet.

 

[branch]

Lol what is going on this offseason. Pierre finally is off leash and is running AMOK at the dog park, barking at birds, knocking over children and completely flipping over the communal water bowl

 

[Sens Vader]

Melnyk gone = Sens in on every good player

 

[HSF]

Lol what is going on this offseason. Pierre finally is off leash and is running AMOK at the dog park, barking at birds, knocking over children and completely flipping over the communal water bowl

pierre finally doing his job

I think our ability to get UFAs will be dependant on if we can get rid of murray and zaitsev

 

[Micklebot]

There is still Hamonic and Del Zotto. So much money being flushed down the toilet.

Is Hamonic really that bad of value? 3.25 is what, second pair money? I think he's been a capable bottom 4 guy for us so far, so maybe a touch overpaid, but not MDZ bad.

 

[branch]

pierre finally doing his job

I think our ability to get UFAs will be dependant on if we can get rid of murray and zaitsev

Yes if we have the ability to get rid of both of those players + ship out brown and maybe even MDZ if we are lucky that is a lot more money to play with

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Interesting that Florida wants to make room for Giroux and want to keep Weegar, but Sens are interested in both. Stay away from Weegar if that’s the case.

 

[GoSenatorsGo]

Makes me wonder if management got permission to spend and build an attractive team so that it ups the price of the team. Add in Lebreton and you could make a pretty penny selling.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Melnyk gone = Sens in on every good player

Klingberg hasn’t been good in a while. We should stay away.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Lol what is going on this offseason. Pierre finally is off leash and is running AMOK at the dog park, barking at birds, knocking over children and completely flipping over the communal water bowl

Melnyk is gone and everything turned around. It's incredible.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Well, LTIR is the cap concession for injured players. The issue is more financial; players don't want to lose 33% of their salary because of an injury, which is fair imo. Insurance covers the team side on that front. But, if that injury isn't expected to prevent them from suiting up to start the season, why should it prevent a buyout? Everything works fine for guys who are forced to retire due to injury in the current system (well for the most part anyways), but for the minor stuff that's conveniently timed, not so much.

I thought insurance only covered 80% of a player's salary and you had to designate a certain amount of players from your roster before the season starts as insured? Obviously, the next year you can designate a guy on LTIR into that insurance slot but it still costs you 20% of their salary.

I totally get it from the player's perspective re: losing at least 1/3 of their salary to buyout, but 66% of your contract to never play again is a pretty good deal for the players, setting aside their competitive nature. Also, opening up flexibility for teams to move on from dead weight contracts might create more competitive contract structures for future players. Adding an MLE or something like that also introduces additional spending into the league which ultimately benefits the players. If they held a vote on this I could see 75%+ of players voting for it, especially since LTIR affects so few, relatively speaking.

To me, a guy like Colin White losing 2/3 of his contract because of age is much more egregious than some guy who played a full career and will never suit up again being out 1/3 of his pay.

Anyway, probably won't happen but feels like the buyout and LTIR system are not really creating optimized value for either side.

 

[Silencio]

Dorion when he hears Florida is still trying to keep Giroux:

 

[Senscore]

Interesting that Florida wants to make room for Giroux and want to keep Weegar, but Sens are interested in both. Stay away from Weegar if that’s the case.

Weegar was badly exposed down the stretch and in the playoffs. Not my first choice by any metric.