Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXII

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Shame brown just didn’t want to sign. He’s not even American! But he’s getting older. Gotta take his shot at a cup ASAP and don’t think we could afford his next deal

Lol, the moment he leaves is to free up room for top 4 D and Giroux and we'll be just as good as any contender in couple years.

 

[senswon]

Toronto: matt murray 50% retained /gus the bus

Edmn: connor brown

Ottawa : pool party


Is that whats being floated?

Rather a D not named Ceci back instead of pool party or is the goal to solve D in free agency

 

[Micklebot]

Toronto: matt murray 50% retained /gus the bus

Edmn: connor brown

Ottawa : pool party


Is that whats being floated?

Rather a D not named Ceci back instead of pool party or is the goal to solve D in free agency

I'd do something like that... what's with "/gus the bus" though? We can't be giving them both goalies can we?

 

[DaveMatthew]

I would exclude Puljujarvi from all proposals.

It seems like we're looking to move on from Brown because we'll be bringing in Giroux - which would give us RWs of Batherson, Giroux, Joseph and Watson. Puljujarvi isn't cracking the lineup over any of those players, and he isn't playing the left side either with Tkachuk, DeBrincat and Formenton.

Based on what Woodcroft has said about him, he'd be in DJ's doghouse from day one.

The idea would probably be to acquire picks/prospects to replenish some of what we send out for moving Murray, and hopefully, to acquire a RD.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Mike smith is not good man. Not good at all.

He's a fine backup. Better than Goose for sure. He's been the Oilers best goalie the past two years. And the goalie market is absolutely barren.

Either way, apparently he's LTIR for the season.

 

[Que]

To Edmonton: Connor Brown

To Toronto: Jesse Puljujarvi, Matt Murray (35% retained)

To Ottawa: Willy Nylander

*mind explodes*

Might have to take Smith from Edmonton but still would be worth it.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I think we're all being a little too presumptuous about Giroux coming here.

We'll sign an FA if we deal Brown, but I think its too early to be saying Giroux is a lock. We will put our best foot forward but that's about all we can do.

 

[senswon]

I'd do something like that... what's with "/gus the bus" though? We can't be giving them both goalies can we?

I think gus (and could argue brown) are the sweetners to the deal.

I'm suggesting gus because of reports we're looking to pickup another backup



And yeah I'm also not interested in pool party. No spot for him if we're bringing in Giroux

Just trying to make sense of it all lol

 

[DaveMatthew]

I think we're all being a little too presumptuous about Giroux coming here.

We'll sign an FA if we deal Brown, but I think its too early to be saying Giroux is a lock. We will put our best foot forward but that's about all we can do.

No sure thing, but it's looking more likely than not.

- Doesn't look like Florida will be able to make the money work
- Edmonton is in, but I'm not sure if he'd want to move out West. Staying East was why Florida and the Rangers were his preferred deadline destinations. Not Colorado.
- Carolina seems to be the other option, but they're as cheap as we have been when it comes to money/term. I doubt they'll outbid us.
- We made the big splash in acquiring DeBrincat to solidify the top 6, which makes us a lot more attractive than last week.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think gus (and could argue brown) are the sweetners to the deal.

I'm suggesting gus because of reports we're looking to pickup another backup



And yeah I'm also not interested in pool party. No spot for him if we're bringing in Giroux

Just trying to make sense of it all lol

If Brown was added, then Toronto would have to clear even more cap (i.e., make more moves/trades). I made a post earlier (too lazy to look it up again), and iirc, they have around $10 m to sign 6 players.

[General point] If you're not checking CapFriendly these days, there's a good chance the trade proposal wouldn't work (without more moves and major cap surgery). About (approx) 2/3rds of the team have a cap issues.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

No sure thing, but it's looking more likely than not.

- Doesn't look like Florida will be able to make the money work
- Edmonton is in, but I'm not sure if he'd want to move out West. Staying East was why Florida and the Rangers were his preferred deadline destinations. Not Colorado.
- Carolina seems to be the other option, but they're as cheap as we have been when it comes to money/term. I doubt they'll outbid us.
- We made the big splash in acquiring DeBrincat to solidify the top 6, which makes us a lot more attractive than last week.

Definitely hope you're right but still seems presumptuous to me. New Jersey, NYR, NYI, Detroit, maybe even Pittsburgh could all be in on him. I won't be surprised if we sign him but also won't be surprised if we don't.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

Believe it or not, we actually have leverage here. Toronto has no starting goalie, are supposed to be Cup contenders, the goalie market is thinning fast, and Dubas is fighting to keep his job

 

[branch]

He's a fine backup. Better than Goose for sure. He's been the Oilers best goalie the past two years. And the goalie market is absolutely barren.

Either way, apparently he's LTIR for the season.

Smith is f***ing brutally embarassing to watch. Hard pass even if he never LTIRs

 

[Bevans]

Believe it or not, we actually have leverage here. Toronto has no starting goalie, are supposed to be Cup contenders, the goalie market is thinning fast, and Dubas is fighting to keep his job

Murray only has "positive" value in a 3 way. Even cap aside, his contract is so backlogged that it's very unappealing.

 

[senswon]

If Brown was added, then Toronto would have to clear even more cap (i.e., make more moves/trades). I made a post earlier (too lazy to look it up again), and iirc, they have around $10 m to sign 6 players.

[General point] If you're not checking CapFriendly these days, there's a good chance the trade proposal wouldn't work (without more moves and major cap surgery). About (approx) 2/3rds of the team have a cap issues.

... and that's why Edmonton was part of that proposal (that i was really just trying to understand what was being proposed on here...)

 

[Sens Vader]

Friedman is basically saying the Murray to Toronto deal is close/done the Leafs are just looking into his health records

Might be a 3rd team involved

 

[SpezDispenser]

Friedman is basically saying the Murray to Toronto deal is close/done the Leafs are just looking into his health records

Might be a 3rd team involved

A little nervous...

 

[Big Muddy]

... and that's why Edmonton was part of that proposal (that i was really just trying to understand what was being proposed on here...)

OK. I didn't see the Edmonton part (might have been an earlier post).

 

[DaveMatthew]

A little nervous...

I doubt it's anything crazy. Something like:

To Toronto: Matt Murray
To Ottawa: Future considerations (Retain 40% on Murray)
To Arizona: 3rd round pick 2023 (from Ottawa) (Retain 25% on Murray)

Leafs get Murray for $2.5M. Leafs care about the salary being as low as possible, not an additional asset.

Ottawa sends a 3rd to Arizona for them taking on $1.5M of the salary.

 

[Big Muddy]

Murray only has "positive" value in a 3 way. Even cap aside, his contract is so backlogged that it's very unappealing.

I hear you. I keep trying to wrap my head around the appeal for Murray because of his contract (& in general). I get that goalies are in short supply right now obviously, but ......

If Toronto is a landing spot, you'd think a lot of accommodations and wrangling would need to be done to make their cap work.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I doubt it's anything crazy. Something like:

To Toronto: Matt Murray
To Ottawa: Future considerations (Retain 40% on Murray)
To Arizona: 3rd round pick 2023 (from Ottawa) (Retain 25% on Murray)

Leafs get Murray for $2.5M. Leafs care about the salary being as low as possible, not an additional asset.

Ottawa sends a 3rd to Arizona for them taking on $1.5M of the salary.

Sounds almost too good. Would be ecstatic

 

[HSF]

giving up brown to get rid of murray would be a massive overpayment

we did almost move from 7 to 13 with retention so high change Dorion gets wrecked in this deal

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I doubt it's anything crazy. Something like:

To Toronto: Matt Murray
To Ottawa: Future considerations (Retain 40% on Murray)
To Arizona: 3rd round pick 2023 (from Ottawa) (Retain 25% on Murray)

Leafs get Murray for $2.5M. Leafs care about the salary being as low as possible, not an additional asset.

Ottawa sends a 3rd to Arizona for them taking on $1.5M of the salary.

This is what I've been saying too. And Toronto adds an asset because the goalie market is extremely thin right now.

 

[Micklebot]

I doubt it's anything crazy. Something like:

To Toronto: Matt Murray
To Ottawa: Future considerations (Retain 40% on Murray)
To Arizona: 3rd round pick 2023 (from Ottawa) (Retain 25% on Murray)

Leafs get Murray for $2.5M. Leafs care about the salary being as low as possible, not an additional asset.

Ottawa sends a 3rd to Arizona for them taking on $1.5M of the salary.

I don't recall whether it was confirmed or speculated that the failed Buf deal was 25% retained, but if true I wonder how much extra it would cost to flip Arz and Ott's retention percentages. Maybe a 2nd instead of a 3rd?

 

[Bevans]

I don't recall whether it was confirmed or speculated that the failed Buf deal was 25% retained, but if true I wonder how much extra it would cost to flip Arz and Ott's retention percentages. Maybe a 2nd instead of a 3rd?

It wouldn't be to flip the retention. It would be to add retention.

We are going to see multiple retainers with very specific %'s and extra decimal points.

We will need to hire an actuary to understand this trade.