Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Mingus Dew]

Doesn’t have to be the exact deal

Pointing out that people here saying there is no one available or there are no cheap bottom 6 players to fill out the roster are just wrong

Toronto got a top 4 D for 2 mill for two more season

Such a good price and worth a late first

We spent a second round pick to dump Z and Toronto spent what will basically be an early second round pick to acquire a Top 4 D at $2mm.

But yeah Toronto is dumb for trading that pick uh huh for sure.

 

[BankStreetParade]

They are well coached and have a shot at the cup pretty much every year, at least while Matthews is around. Contenders can trade firsts.

Teams with a shot at the cup have usually performed in the playoffs. These guys have 0 playoff series wins with this core, have sold all of their future and are relying on questionable goaltending to get them past teams like Tampa Bay, Boston, Carolina and the Rangers.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Teams with a shot at the cup have usually performed in the playoffs. These guys have 0 playoff series wins with this core, have sold all of their future and are relying on questionable goaltending to get them past teams like Tampa Bay, Boston, Carolina and the Rangers.

Yeah but what else can you do when you are a top 5 regular season team every year? Throw up your arms and start a rebuild? Come on.

 

[HSF]

Teams with a shot at the cup have usually performed in the playoffs. These guys have 0 playoff series wins with this core, have sold all of their future and are relying on questionable goaltending to get them past teams like Tampa Bay, Boston, Carolina and the Rangers.

they are still a playoff team who is trying to improve

can't really hate them for that. Insane would be not making moves to improve that roster.

I think getting Mccabe for 2 mill for 2 more season is an insanely good move.

At some point your GM has to make moves to improve the roster. This is what year 3 where we are looking for a defensemen?

 

[bert]

Also the Leafs' goaltending is very iffy. Dubas relying on an injury prone head case vet and an inconsistent journeyman.

I mean this is not what Samsonov is, its his second team and he was a high first rounder whos been really good. He is only 26 thats usually when goalies start to mature. I have watched him quite a bit, he is legit. This is probably the best leafs team I have seen in my lifetime and im 40 this year. I dont even think they get out of the first round but there are absolutely no better available goalie options than Samsonov out there.

I still maintain the sens should be sellers. I dont even think it will make them any worse either. Its about winning a cup and this quite clearly isnt the year. The east is beyond stacked. However the way everyone above them is selling futures it will weaken the conference when the sens are ready to contend.

If Debrincat isnt going to sign an extension they should still trade him before the deadline. He is going to walk to UFA making 9 million a year if they dont.

 

[BankStreetParade]

their talent is on the roster. Does tampa have a poor GM for turning their firsts into Goodrow and Hagel?

Need to get things done and can't always be waiting.


People here constantly say you can't get good bottom 6 guys yet there are plenty moving. We have been looking for a defensemen for 3 seasons now lmao

Tampa Bay have played in 3 consecutive Finals and have won 2 of the last 3 Cups. How the f*** are you gonna compare them to a team who hasn't even won a single playoff round since 2003-04?

they are still a playoff team who is trying to improve

can't really hate them for that. Insane would be not making moves to improve that roster.

I think getting Mccabe for 2 mill for 2 more season is an insanely good move.

At some point your GM has to make moves to improve the roster. This is what year 3 where we are looking for a defensemen?

There's a difference between saying they're making moves and complimenting the GM of a team that hasn't won a single round in the playoffs. Someone even called him a top 3 GM in the league which is hilariously laughable.

 

[HSF]

We spent a second round pick to dump Z and Toronto spent what will basically be an early second round pick to acquire a Top 4 D at $2mm.

But yeah Toronto is dumb for trading that pick uh huh for sure.

Yup we have traded picks to get rid of mistakes or to take on mistakes ie Stepan and people here are shitting on Toronto for trading picks for good players

 

[Mingus Dew]

Tampa Bay have played in 3 consecutive Finals and have won 2 of the last 3 Cups. How the f*** are you gonna compare them to a team who hasn't even won a single playoff round since 2003-04?


There's a difference between saying they're making moves and complimenting the GM of a team that hasn't won a single round in the playoffs. Someone even called him a top 3 GM in the league which is hilariously laughable.

We should know better as Sens fans. This happened to us.

When you are jockeying for the Pres trophy every year all you can do is try to improve and hope that this playoffs will be different. They are making smart moves to improve their roster those first round picks are not valuable to them in their current position.

 

[HSF]

Tampa Bay have played in 3 consecutive Finals and have won 2 of the last 3 Cups. How the f*** are you gonna compare them to a team who hasn't even won a single playoff round since 2003-04?


There's a difference between saying they're making moves and complimenting the GM of a team that hasn't won a single round in the playoffs. Someone even called him a top 3 GM in the league which is hilariously laughable.

You don't think getting mccabe for 2 more seasons at 2 mill and lafferty (~1mill) for a late 1st and 2nd is a good deal?

That type of move would have help us immensely especially with the coming cap crunch.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Yeah but what else can you do when you are a top 5 regular season team every year? Throw up your arms and start a rebuild? Come on.

That's not the discussion. The discussion started with someone saying Dubas is a "good GM" and someone else saying he's a top 3 GM in the league. You can't be considered a good GM when your teams are perennial playoff losers. He's also given away the farm and we're not even sure they'll win in the first round this year either. How does that make him a good GM?

 

[Mingus Dew]

That's not the discussion. The discussion started with someone saying Dubas is a "good GM" and someone else saying he's a top 3 GM in the league. You can't be considered a good GM when your teams are perennial playoff losers. He's also given away the farm and we're not even sure they'll win in the first round this year either. How does that make him a good GM?

I think he generally makes good trades and smart moves. I find it hard to fault him for the fact that his extremely well built team is full of mental midgets that choke every year.

 

[guyzeur]

You ask yourself: Why is a contending team looking to offload an experienced D-man like Dumba when he should be a part of their playoff push?

You realize: He's not good and they are trying to take advantage of a desperate GM with a terrible pro-scouting department.

then we're not getting Dumba

 

[HSF]

That's not the discussion. The discussion started with someone saying Dubas is a "good GM" and someone else saying he's a top 3 GM in the league. You can't be considered a good GM when your teams are perennial playoff losers. He's also given away the farm and we're not even sure they'll win in the first round this year either. How does that make him a good GM?

I never said he was top 3 but he is definitely good. Much much better than what Ottawa currently has .

Finding guys like Hyman, Bunting...finding cheap bottom 6 guys who have helped them immensely aswell.


Meanwhile we are stuck with constant mistakes


I would say he has done more good than bad with their roster. Also they got crunched by a flat cap but still are able to tow the line with LTIR . Very smart management imo

Toronto just lost Muzzin for possibly his career but pivoted and added Mccabe for 2 more years all within half a season. Dorion is on year 3 looking for a defensemen .

 

[PlayItAgain]

That's not the discussion. The discussion started with someone saying Dubas is a "good GM" and someone else saying he's a top 3 GM in the league. You can't be considered a good GM when your teams are perennial playoff losers. He's also given away the farm and we're not even sure they'll win in the first round this year either. How does that make him a good GM?

Ironic how some of the same people praising Leafs management, are full on board criticizing Sens management for lack of “results”.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Ironic how some of the same people praising Leafs management, are full on board criticizing Sens management for lack of “results”.

If we finished Top 3 in the East and lost in the first round most folks around here would consider that a resoundingly successful season.

 

[HSF]

Ironic how some of the same people praising Leafs management, are full on board criticizing Sens management for lack of “results”.

weird take

its okay to see how other teams are doing things and see good moves and praise them.


Especially when other managers are bringing in peices that your GM is struggling to do

Toronto did great in their rebuild and again were able to adapt when they saw things getting stale. They moved away from Lou and Babcock. No chance DJ lasts this long in Toronto with that management and POHO team

 

[PlayItAgain]

If we finished Top 3 in the East and lost in the first round most folks around here would consider that a resoundingly successful season.

I’m guessing you weren’t around when the Sens were perennial top team in the league and folded in the playoffs. Most folks certainly weren’t claiming successful seasons back then lol

 

[HSF]

I’m guessing you weren’t around when the Sens were perennial top team in the league and folded in the playoffs. Most folks certainly weren’t claiming successful seasons back then lol

most people wanted a GM who would add quality at the deadline

We were begging for a ROR type pickup lmao

interesting how saying Dubas has become a good gm has triggered some here

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Dumba is a poor fit. All we need is a guy on RD who can play solid defense and manage to get the puck out of the defensive zone on a regular basis. Nothing fancy and not someone who thinks they're the next Erik Karlson when they aren't. We've already got good puck movement from Chabot and Sanderson.

 

[BankStreetParade]

If we finished Top 3 in the East and lost in the first round most folks around here would consider that a resoundingly successful season.

And if we're going into the last years of Stutzle, Brady, Norris and Batherson's contracts having never won a playoff round but having had great regular seasons, you'll be saying "wow, that Dorion sure is a good GM"???

 

[HSF]

And if we're going into the last years of Stutzle, Brady, Norris and Batherson's contracts having never won a playoff round but having had great regular seasons, you'll be saying "wow, that Dorion sure is a good GM"???

If we had a GM who added Gary Roberts and a quality defensemen and the team failed I suspect would be saying the players just don't have it

Dubas has a lot of support with Leaf fans

 

[BankStreetParade]

weird take

its okay to see how other teams are doing things and see good moves and praise them.


Especially when other managers are bringing in peices that your GM is struggling to do

Toronto did great in their rebuild and again were able to adapt when they saw things getting stale. They moved away from Lou and Babcock. No chance DJ lasts this long in Toronto with that management and POHO team

Haven't won a playoff round in almost 20 years is your definition of great?

 

[HSF]

Haven't won a playoff round in almost 20 years is your definition of great?

thats the next step and i suspect if they don't do it then heads or players will roll

their core is very very talented. they can pivot at any moment

Compared to Ottawa's rebuild they are doing really well

 

[Relapsing]

I think he generally makes good trades and smart moves. I find it hard to fault him for the fact that his extremely well built team is full of mental midgets that choke every year.

And that inherently makes me question anyone calling him a top GM. The core he built can run the table in the regular season, but folds like origami in the first round. By the one metric that actually matters, they are not an extremely well built team, at all.

 

[SensFan1010]

I dont mind dumba. Physical D who has some solid D play (maybe not the best but we only need him to be a #4 D). If we can trade for him for cheap and sign him to something close to 4Mx2-3 years im all in.