Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Micklebot]

From the reports, it really sounds like the team is only interested in players with term or those willing to sign an extension right after the trade.

So if Dumba agrees to an extension for 3-4 years at $3.75-4.25M per (aka Zaitsev's money), I could see it.

Is Dumba worth that? Based on what Wild fans say, it doesn't sound like it...

It's interesting, because he's still getting the most ES toi on a team that's 5th in the west,

I'll take wild fans at their word, coaches can have their favourites and what not, but I'd be curious to know what people feel is a fair contract for Dumba moving forward.

 

[BankStreetParade]

You ask yourself: Why is a contending team looking to offload an experienced D-man like Dumba when he should be a part of their playoff push?

You realize: He's not good and they are trying to take advantage of a desperate GM with a terrible pro-scouting department.

Or they have $9ish million in cap space going into next year with 7-9 players to add, including a raise for Gustavsson based on his play this year, and don't want to lose an asset for nothing.

But, hey, it's a lot more fun to endlessly lampoon management, right?

 

[Sens Vader]

Ekholm would be a sneaky good pick up, not sure if he can play the right side well though

That is part of my concern with him and Chychrun

 

[GoSenatorsGo]

Ekholm would be a sneaky good pick up, not sure if he can play the right side well though

That is part of my concern with him and Chychrun

Would it be bad to try Sanderson on the right side and bring in an elite LD?

Chabot-Zub
xxx-Sanderson

 

[Sens Vader]

Would it be bad to try Sanderson on the right side and bring in an elite LD?

Chabot-Zub
xxx-Sanderson

I think it is risky to move guys on their off side considering their cap hit/term and cost to acquire. Hard to give up A assets and make the commitment to a player whos position does not fully fit

That is why I think Parayko is the guy who fits the mold of what we are trying to acquire and should be at a fair price. Weegar as well

 

[Masked]

Would it be bad to try Sanderson on the right side and bring in an elite LD?

Chabot-Zub
xxx-Sanderson

If only there was a veteran LD on the team who actually broke in on the right side that we could move back over and pair with Sanderson. A guy who can skate and play big minutes. Hmmmmm.......

Assen na yo!

 

[Micklebot]

You ask yourself: Why is a contending team looking to offload an experienced D-man like Dumba when he should be a part of their playoff push?

You realize: He's not good and they are trying to take advantage of a desperate GM with a terrible pro-scouting department.

I ask myself if the contending team doesn't think he's very good, why are they playing him sooo much, he leads the team in ES.

He's certainly not worth his current contract, and hasn't been the same for a while now after getting injured. Is he an improvement over Hamonic though, can he be a positive player on the right contract in the right role? Idk.

He's not my preferred option, that's for sure, but he can still play a role on a good team I suspect, I mean, wild are currently third in their division, 5th in the conference and that's with him getting more ES toi than anyone on the sens not named Chabot,

 

[MarkStone]

Plus, he'd be a huge draw for the Mexican community there and the NHL would love to appeal to a mostly untapped market.

Assen na yo!

I think this angle tends to be overstated, especially due to the league trying their hardest to make it a narrative.

 

[WallyD]

I’m guessing hockey is the one sport where a star player in the Toronto market can make more in endorsements than in any American market. Hell I bet even Crosby makes more money from his Canadian sponsors/ads than anything he gets from US based endorsements.

Possibly... Consider too though that an American player in an American market is something US folks can wrap themselves in the flag about. The key point was that no star player is locked into being in any market. Once they've done their mandatory time they can (have earned the right) to go wherever they are the most comfortable.

 

[stempniaksen]

I'm starting to come around on a Jensen/Lindgren package instead of paying a high end price for Chychrun/Weegar/Parayko.

Jensen should be a stabilizing presence the way Zub has been and Lindgren is signed cheap enough with term that you can send him down next season if Mads beats him out for a spot. Also a bit of insurance in case Forsberg doesn't come back the way we all hope.

Trade Talbot to re-coup some assets (Holden and Watson too if they bring back value, but I'm actually fine with them as the 13F/7D if DJ actually plays them that way post deadline) and call it a day.

 

[JD1]

It's interesting, because he's still getting the most ES toi on a team that's 5th in the west,

I'll take wild fans at their word, coaches can have their favourites and what not, but I'd be curious to know what people feel is a fair contract for Dumba moving forward.

This is Canada. Probably one of the more knowledgeable hockey markets. Look at how our board treats certain players over the years.

HF is a hive mindset. It sets in on a player and at times develops overwhelmingly negative takes. Literally the last place I'd go to assess a player on another team is their HF page.

 

[GCK]

Rather get chychrun and put him as a RD then get Dumba

I think Sanderson is the best option to move to the right side.

 

[swiftwin]

Rather get chychrun and put him as a RD then get Dumba

Get Chychrun, then get Dumba???

I don't think we need both.

 

[Micklebot]

This is Canada. Probably one of the more knowledgeable hockey markets. Look at how our board treats certain players over the years.

HF is a hive mindset. It sets in on a player and at times develops and overwhelmingly negative takes. Literally the last place I'd go to assess a player on another team is their HF page.

So we shouldn't take your word on Chabot's play lately then?

All kidding aside, Minnesota has one of the more knowledgeable fanbases, they are definitely a strong hockey market. I'm not saying they aren't going to be a bit hyperbolic in their assessment but I do think it's fair to say Dumba isn't living up to expectations.

There is, however, a disconnect between fan evals, and how the coach is using him. I suspect a change in usage might play into perceptions, Dumba no longer gets any pp time, the Spurgeon pair seems to get more mins with the top line, Dumba is no longer being used as an offensive Dman to the same extent.

I'd have to watch more wild games to really get a good feel for him, right now I'm really just not sure.

 

[Micklebot]

Get Chychrun, then get Dumba???

I don't think we need both.

Damn you homonyms, foiled again...

 

[HSF]

Toronto got a LD who can play RD in a top 4 role for 2 mill and a couple of cheap bottom 6 guys who cost around a million

Must be nice to have a good GM

 

[BankStreetParade]

Toronto got a LD who can play RD in a top 4 role for 2 mill and a couple of cheap bottom 6 guys who cost around a million

Must be nice to have a good GM

No first round picks for 3 years running, no 2nd round picks for the next 3 years and no playoff rounds won. Wow, what a good GM!

 

[Mingus Dew]

Toronto got a LD who can play RD in a top 4 role for 2 mill and a couple of cheap bottom 6 guys who cost around a million

Must be nice to have a good GM

Seriously. We are overcomplicating this lol.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Toronto got a LD who can play RD in a top 4 role for 2 mill and a couple of cheap bottom 6 guys who cost around a million

Must be nice to have a good GM

Cost a first
They threw all their cards in this year, no seconds for 3 years. One first in next 3.

Also GM that can’t negotiate fair deals.

 

[DueDiligence]

Also the Leafs' goaltending is very iffy. Dubas relying on an injury prone head case vet and an inconsistent journeyman.

 

[Mingus Dew]

No first round picks for 3 years running, no 2nd round picks for the next 3 years and no playoff rounds won. Wow, what a good GM!

They are well coached and have a shot at the cup pretty much every year, at least while Matthews is around. Contenders can trade firsts.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Toronto got a LD who can play RD in a top 4 role for 2 mill and a couple of cheap bottom 6 guys who cost around a million

Must be nice to have a good GM

Toronto is able to sacrifice 1st rounders because they know they are a perennial playoff team compared to Ottawa where there is no confidence that the pick would be in 20-30 range, which is essentially a 2nd rounder.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Also the Leafs' goaltending is very iffy. Dubas relying on an injury prone head case vet and an inconsistent journeyman.

Talbot for Knies?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What would the price be on Mike Matheson out of Montreal?
He's a lefty w 3 more years under 5 AAV.

 

[HSF]

Toronto is able to sacrifice 1st rounders because they know they are a perennial playoff team compared to Ottawa where there is no confidence that the pick would be in 20-30 range, which is essentially a 2nd rounder.

Doesn’t have to be the exact deal

Pointing out that people here saying there is no one available or there are no cheap bottom 6 players to fill out the roster are just wrong

Toronto got a top 4 D for 2 mill for two more season

Such a good price and worth a late first

No first round picks for 3 years running, no 2nd round picks for the next 3 years and no playoff rounds won. Wow, what a good GM!

their talent is on the roster. Does tampa have a poor GM for turning their firsts into Goodrow and Hagel?

Need to get things done and can't always be waiting.


People here constantly say you can't get good bottom 6 guys yet there are plenty moving. We have been looking for a defensemen for 3 seasons now lmao