Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Hale The Villain]

It reeks of this:

Ahh yes Andreas Englund. I believe it was either Murray or Dorion who said he had "generational character" and that was a big reason why they took him

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

They're always honest eventually.

Anyone who bought his bullshit about waiting for ownership to shake out was out to lunch.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It's kinda crazy to think about how poorly this whole DeBrincat situation has played out...

1. Paid a massive price to get a small, scoring winger who typically don't bring huge returns
2. The player has a poor season
3. Team misses the playoffs
4. The player won't engage in contract talks at all, indicates he wants to test the market
5. No cap increase beyond the nominal 1M which makes also makes trades more difficult

Literally everything went wrong here.

The forces of the world at work.

1. Known
2. Not that poor . Certainly not value caving poor
3. Predictable
4. Predictable
5. Predictable

If its your job this is your world. You have to consider every one of these factors. If you don't you could fail at your job.

 

[bert]

They're always honest eventually.

Anyone who bought his bullshit about waiting for ownership to shake out was out to lunch.

Anyone that traded for him without an extension when Chicago was dumping him or didnt pay attention to the original contract he signed with Chicago was out to lunch. Here the sens are yet again with a devalued asset theyre selling at pennies to the dollar.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No biggie, another Mulligan

How many of those does one GM get? I've been told I only get one per round of 18 and that I'm actually just cheating.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It reeks of this:

hitting the archives

 

[bert]

The forces of the world at work.

1. Known
2. Not that poor . Certainly not value caving poor
3. Predictable
4. Predictable
5. Predictable

If its your job the is your world. You have to consider every one of these factors. If you don't you could fail at your job.

Number 1 indicator was the original contract he signed. So blatantly obvious he wanted to test free agency.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Anyone that traded for him without an extension when Chicago was dumping him or didnt pay attention to the original contract he signed with Chicago was out to lunch. Here the sens are yet again with a devalued asset theyre selling at pennies to the dollar.

It appears that way. Major miss by Dorion in this case and it really is unfortunate.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Ahh yes Andreas Englund. I believe it was either Murray or Dorion who said he had "generational character" and that was a big reason why they took him

We should give our drafting duties to TSN 1200 callers.

 

[bert]

It appears that way. Major miss by Dorion in this case and it really is unfortunate.

I mean it was obvious from the moment he didnt extend him. I am not going to do it and go dig up some posts around the TDL. But there were some pretty nasty responses to me when I said they had to deal him. Alot of ridicule from posters saying they would get just as much or more for him now.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It appears that way. Major miss by Dorion in this case and it really is unfortunate.

very Kumbaya. Yes as I take a sip of tea just brought in , it is.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I mean they really arent. He is a low character individual who lacks intelligence. Most other GM's arent the same as that.

Maybe. He definitely talks to much, but his moves have been either really good or horrific, some GMs just f***ed up completely, so if there's anything to take away from Dorion's final year, he at least built a solid core.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

How do you make the Duchene move then do it again. Its beyond incomprehensible.

Fam not only that but he made the Zibanejad move again too.

Gustavsson, a young goalie who was showing potential, for a worse, older player, that they don't want back.

Dorion re-running his greatest hits.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I mean it was obvious from the moment he didnt extend him. I am not going to do it and go dig up some posts around the TDL. But there were some pretty nasty responses to me when I said they had to deal him. Alot of ridicule from posters saying they would get just as much or more for him now.

Yes, appears the writing was on the wall the whole time. I don't buy anything about circumstances leading here, it obviously wouldn't have changed his intentions to hit UFA.

very Kumbaya. Yes as I take a sip of tea just brought in , it is.

Might as well pour some whiskey in that tea to console yourself after seeing the likely return here.

 

[bert]

Fam not only that but he made the Zibanejad move again too.

Gustavsson, a young goalie who was showing potential, for a worse, older player, that they don't want back.

Dorion re-running his greatest hits.

I mean yeah he has some bad ones but this is the exact same thing as the duchene one in that he paid a hefty hefty price for a player that had no intentions of re-signing here. He has done that with a 4th OA pick and a 7th OA pick in a rebuild. Then ends up flipping said player for a late first or even potentially now a 2nd round pick. Bowen Byram turned into Lassi Thomson. Whats Korchinski going to turn into? Oliver Bonk?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Maybe. He definitely talks to much, but his moves have been either really good or horrific, some GMs just f***ed up completely, so if there's anything to take away from Dorion's final year, he at least built a solid core.

Ok Spez you are in charge.

You get
Karlsson
Stone
Duchene
Pageau
Hoffman
Ryan
Brassard
coming off a ECF appearance

You get to trade them all and ice a team that finishes at the bottom for , say 5 years and draft

I would bet you could do no worse.

Yes, appears the writing was on the wall the whole time. I don't buy anything about circumstances leading here, it obviously wouldn't have changed his intentions to hit UFA.

Might as well pour some whiskey in that tea to console yourself after seeing the likely return here.

a nip is always nice.

 

[bert]

Maybe. He definitely talks to much, but his moves have been either really good or horrific, some GMs just f***ed up completely, so if there's anything to take away from Dorion's final year, he at least built a solid core.

Which really good ones are there? Karlsson deal where the stutzle pick was pushed?.... He is missing 4 out of 5. He's terrible. Giroux signing here when he was going to no matter what? Every other deal has been a miss for the most part.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Ok Spez you are in charge.

You get
Karlsson
Stone
Duchene
Pageau
Hoffman
Ryan
Brassard
coming off a ECF appearance

You get to trade them all and ice a team that finishes at the bottom for , say 5 years and draft

I would bet you could do no worse.


a nip is always nice.

I'd been fired about a year into it, because I'd be much more aggressive. Stone would have been gone the minute we couldn't come to an agreement, NO WAY I'm waiting until the deadline.

Karlsson, I would have ended up with a shittier package because I liked Foote as a prospect.

Duchene, who knows...

I might have been Ok, but I'm betting on a year max before I was shot to the moon.

 

[Emerica]

Another rookie mistake by Dorion, who is going into his 7th year as GM

Shouldn’t be trading that amount of assets for an impending FA unless you’ve had discussions with them on their intentions prior. Don’t see many GMs gamble on this.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Which really good ones are there? Karlsson deal where the stutzle pick was pushed?.... He is missing 4 out of 5. He's terrible. Giroux signing here when he was going to no matter what? Every other deal has been a miss for the most part.

Devil's advocate for one minute: would Giroux have signed here if we hadn't acquired DBC? I wonder - and I'm serious. You don't just sign with your hometown team, you and your agent take a long, hard look. The DBC trade got the league's attention, did it push Giroux to sign here?

 

[SensHulk]

Have you tracked who he follows?

Maybe we should ask Jordan Peterson ?

Give it a rest already. No one is engaging in this yet it keeps being brought back up again.

What do the mods do around here?

 

[Sens in Process]

Anyone that traded for him without an extension when Chicago was dumping him or didnt pay attention to the original contract he signed with Chicago was out to lunch. Here the sens are yet again with a devalued asset theyre selling at pennies to the dollar.

Totally agree! And not mention, he is a 5, 7 scoring winger which was a major departure from the team Dorion was ostensibly trying to build. Many teams will have serious reservations of paying a small forward big money with term, greatly reducing potential suitors.

But here the silver lining, if the team can get a player with some size and skill (20 goal guy) to plug into the top 9 with a reasonable contract, it is a win for the Sens, because signing the Cat for 8 years at 8.5 million plus per year would be a disaster. He simply is not that good of a player.

And for those saying keep him and trade him at the deadline, what happens if gets seriously injured before a deal can be made? We lose him for nothing.

 

[Icelevel]

Ahh yes Andreas Englund. I believe it was either Murray or Dorion who said he had "generational character" and that was a big reason why they took him

I mean to be fair he did have some impressive qualities. And we didn’t have a 1st round pick that year. It was kind of predictable as we needed a big solid dman and he was one of the few around that pick.
I even posted pre draft that we’re probably looking at him hard.
Oh well. Not the worst pick in history.

 

[Emerica]

Potential bottom six guy

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'd been fired about a year into it, because I'd be much more aggressive. Stone would have been gone the minute we couldn't come to an agreement, NO WAY I'm waiting until the deadline.

Karlsson, I would have ended up with a shittier package because I liked Foote as a prospect.

Duchene, who knows...

I might have been Ok, but I'm betting on a year max before I was shot to the moon.

Ok you may have even had the wherewithal to hire help and not be afraid he'd replace you.