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SpezDispenser said:
For who though? It's one thing to fantasize about free agents, but it's quite another to get them to sign in Canada.
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I think it is more that we can take on an asset without sending a contract back, so it should make us an easier landing spot for other trades/players

If we get a 1st its likely we will flip it

I also think we can still pull FA with this year's class, were never gonna get stars but 2nd/3rd liners sure
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
I'd like to see something along the lines of

1. Debrincat and Joseph to Detroit For Berggren , 17OA , 45OA
2. 17OA to Phile for Laughton (3 years left at 3AAV) and a 3rd (they have 2)
3. Acquire Barbashev . 6 years 3.5 AAV
4. Acquire Evan Rodrigues 5 years 3 AAV
5. Acquire Korpisalo ~ 3 AAV
Bridge Pinto
Extend Brannstrom short term
Wait on Sanderson (depending on cap space) extend if space is there.
Use 45OA and 3rd R pick in the draft
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I'd rather keep 17oa, but otherwise not a bad plan.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
I'd like to see something along the lines of

1. Debrincat and Joseph to Detroit For Berggren , 17OA , 45OA
2. 17OA to Phile for Laughton (3 years left at 3AAV) and a 3rd (they have 2)
3. Acquire Barbashev . 6 years 3.5 AAV
4. Acquire Evan Rodrigues 5 years 3 AAV
5. Acquire Korpisalo ~ 3 AAV
Bridge Pinto
Extend Brannstrom short term
Wait on Sanderson (depending on cap space) extend if space is there.
Use 45OA and 3rd R pick in the draft


Add more money to Barbashev to a point.
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This makes all too much sense though, no way Dorion does that.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
I'd like to see something along the lines of

1. Debrincat and Joseph to Detroit For Berggren , 17OA , 45OA
2. 17OA to Phile for Laughton (3 years left at 3AAV) and a 3rd (they have 2)
3. Acquire Barbashev . 6 years 3.5 AAV
4. Acquire Evan Rodrigues 5 years 3 AAV
5. Acquire Korpisalo ~ 3 AAV
Bridge Pinto
Extend Brannstrom short term
Wait on Sanderson (depending on cap space) extend if space is there.
Use 45OA and 3rd R pick in the draft


Add more money to Barbashev to a point.
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I've seen worse ideas. You need the get Barbashev to 4.5 minimum - which I see you accounted for.
 
It's going to be obvious almost immediately trading DbC was a dumb as shit move IMO, ignoring his own unwillingness to sign with us.

The thing this team lacks most is skill, and we're trading arguably our most skilled player.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
I'd like to see something along the lines of

1. Debrincat and Joseph to Detroit For Berggren , 17OA , 45OA
2. 17OA to Phile for Laughton (3 years left at 3AAV) and a 3rd (they have 2)
3. Acquire Barbashev . 6 years 3.5 AAV
4. Acquire Evan Rodrigues 5 years 3 AAV
5. Acquire Korpisalo ~ 3 AAV
Bridge Pinto
Extend Brannstrom short term
Wait on Sanderson (depending on cap space) extend if space is there.
Use 45OA and 3rd R pick in the draft


Add more money to Barbashev to a point.
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Barbashev is going to get a lot more than 3.5. I think you're about 2 million per year short.
 
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BankStreetParade said:
We're trading the best player in the deal. How often do you think the team trading the best player ends up winning the trade?
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Senscore said:
Then we should probably just hang on to him and move him at the deadline.


There's no reason why the return should be bad, even if we're not going to get a 'fair' deal. Obviously he has limitations for where he would extend but otherwise it's free reign to move him wherever.
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If we're not liking the offers and they're rental level, it makes sense to me to hang onto him for a couple of reasons

1. He's likely to bounce back and score more goals
2. Next year at the tdl his cap hit is manageable so there'd be more potential suitors
3. He can't block a trade so you take the best you can get
4. Maybe he sees the stability of new ownership and decides to sign anyway

I get that there's noise....but there's noise all the time with every team because of expiring contracts
 
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Barbashev is going to be closer to 7 than 3.5 I think.

SensontheRush said:
It's going to be obvious almost immediately trading DbC was a dumb as shit move IMO, ignoring his own unwillingness to sign with us.

The thing this team lacks most is skill, and we're trading arguably our most skilled player.
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It’s not arguable at all, he’s not even close.
 
Thought it was interesting to hear Friedman say that people around the league tell him Yzerman isn't a fan of giving out term on contracts. Wonder how DeBrincat feels about that? How does he react if Detroit are only willing to offer him a 5-year deal, for example?

There was also some discussion on how difficult Yzerman is to deal with. Apparently he grinds people down, and then eventually just says that he's reached the end point and either you do the deal or it's dead.

When it comes to Kubalik - I can understand why people wouldn't be enthused by him, but the Senators have to be a 'bird in the hand' kind of team. He's a proven middle-6 winger that can score goals without needing to play on your top PP unit. There is a good chance that he's better than whatever the Senators could scrounge up on July 1st. After all, this is the team that held a press conference to get fans hyped about Eric O'Dell.

Tough situation for Dorion. Seems like only one genuine suitor for DeBrincat and it's a guy who is notoriously difficult to negotiate with.
 
I’d hope if they move Debrincat in the division they are smart enough to ask for an overpayment.

Lets see.

I get it he doesn’t wanna be here but the roster as it is dont need futures in a trade for him. They need to start competing. They need a way better bottom 6 and they need someone who can play hard to replace Debrincat and hopefully Norris’ shoulder is fine like Pinto

A Bertuzzi sort of
 
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Foggerson III said:
I’d hope if they move Debrincat in the division they are smart enough to ask for an overpayment.

Lets see.

I get it he doesn’t wanna be here but the roster as it is dont need futures in a trade for him. They need to start competing. They need a way better bottom 6 and they need someone who can play hard to replace Debrincat and hopefully Norris’ shoulder is fine like Pinto

A Bertuzzi sort of
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Therein lies the issue.

Teams trading for DBC are looking to trade futures, or spare parts. Same as the Sens last year.

Wings are not trading the 9th, zero chance there whatsoever. Sens can hope for 17, but I think the 3 2nds are the most likely commodity.
 
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BondraTime said:
Therein lies the issue.

Teams trading for DBC are looking to trade futures, or spare parts. Same as the Sens last year.

Wings are not trading the 9th, zero chance there whatsoever. Sens can hope for 17, but I think the 3 2nds are the most likely commodity.
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I’ve got zero problem getting futures for Debrincat.
 
BondraTime said:
Therein lies the issue.

Teams trading for DBC are looking to trade futures, or spare parts. Same as the Sens last year.

Wings are not trading the 9th, zero chance there whatsoever. Sens can hope for 17, but I think the 3 2nds are the most likely commodity.
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I agree.

Which is why Id be straight up with other GMs if I was Dorion. Otherwise it might be dumb and selfish but Id keep him for the year. Sens cant really afford to take a step back at this point. Especially with the bad drafting they’ve had with Boucher etc.

They acquired Chychrun and Giroux, going for futures doesnt make sense but that’s just my opinion
 
BondraTime said:
Neither do I, that's what I would prefer.

The team itself is looking for players now, which is what puts a DBC trade into murky territory at best
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Get futures and then use them to get players. It’s not rocket science. 3 players I’d target are Trenin in Nashville 1 year until UFA, Colton in Tampa RFA and Laughton.
 
GCK said:
Get futures and then use them to get players. It’s not rocket science. 3 players I’d target are Trenin in Nashville 1 year until UFA, Colton in Tampa RFA and Laughton.
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Price on Laughton seems like it's going to get pretty high. Seravalli reported that the Flyers turned down one of St. Louis' late 1sts [25 and 29] along with a 2nd round pick.

He'll probably go for more than DeBrincat.

EDIT: Stuff going down...

 
Hall would have been a nice 2 year pickup, give the team an extended window to figure out that top 6 spot with a legit top 6 LW, at what I would assume would have been a discounted price, and then get a pure futures deal for DBC.
 
Yeah I don't trust Dorion to trade DeBrincat for futures, even if that's the best deal value-wise.

I suspect he passed up better value in terms of futures when he traded Paul and Motte in order to get immediate replacements in Joseph and Gauthier.

Really hope he's learned his lessons from the Hoffman debacle.

Lesson one - don't worry about trading in the same division if you can get more in return.

Lesson two - don't give up value for expediency. Picks are currency, especially around draft day. We don't need demand a replacement winger in the same deal if it will mean a worse return.
 
BondraTime said:
Hall would have been a nice 2 year pickup, give the team an extended window to figure out that top 6 spot with a legit top 6 LW, at what I would assume would have been a discounted price, and then get a pure futures deal for DBC.
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16 team No trade list go Hall.
 
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