Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Burrowsaurus]

i think people saying “we’re gonna take dbcs 8 million and get 3 or 2 really good players instead “ are a little too optimistic.

what’s likely to happen is that we’re just gonna have problems scoring in 2 years when giroux retires

 

[Soundgarden]

I'm sure he would! Sandy is untouchable.

And you're wanting a top 3-5 goalie in his prime or one of the best goalie prospects in the league. You have to give to get, Nashville isn't giving them up just because you want them.

 

[Micklebot]

i think people saying “we’re gonna take dbcs 8 million and get 3 or 2 really good players instead “ are a little too optimistic.

what’s likely to happen is that we’re just gonna have problems scoring in 2 years when giroux retires

So we aren't going to use Giroux's 6.5 to find someone to backfill for him once he's off the books?

 

[Daffy]

And you're wanting a top 3-5 goalie in his prime or one of the best goalie prospects in the league. You have to give to get, Nashville isn't giving them up just because you want them.

Sens would have no interest in Askarov. Saros should rightfully cost a lot but Sens won't move Sanderson for him.

 

[Pinto Bean]

Just because DeBrincat is a known commodity who can score goals doesn't mean we can just throw him into any proposal to any team.

Anyone suggesting DBC to Philly for Hart/Konecny simply isn't taking in the needs of Philly. They're clearly a team wanting prospects & picks and not a guy who is about to command 8M+.

You need to look at teams who need goal scoring, teams who are in a position to add good ready now players, teams who have some available cap, and most likely US based teams.

It's going to be tough for Dorion to get solid value for DBC here with all of these stipulations, not to mention other teams knowing he doesn't really want to be here.

Ideal situation is perhaps trading DBC for a late 1st and then flipping that pick + whatever for a replacement who likely won't be as good.

 

[Tuna99]

Formenton is done as Senator

Hope not. Hoping for the best.

But isn't it weird the Hockey Canada thing has gone quiet - Guess the London Police really don't want to disturb London residents and the assault victim while this very important hockey final is being played between teams in Florida and Vegas.

Nobody wants bad news when there's hockey being played in a low brow dessert and the swamp of knuckle draggers.

 

[Sens Vader]

Any deal with Winnipeg or Philly will have to be a three-team deal

Detroit is probably a good fit for that as they have the 17ova pick, prospects, young players like Zadina, and ready-now guys like Copp and Perron.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Any deal with Winnipeg or Philly will have to be a three-team deal

Detroit is probably a good fit for that as they have the 17ova pick, prospects, young players like Zadina, and ready-now guys like Copp and Perron.

Zadina is pretty much a bust at this point. Low low low chance of success for a guy with a career high season of 10G/24P. Copp makes way too much for what would be a third liner + also has a 10 team NTC. Perron can still score but his age makes him a very short term solution + 10 team NTC.

 

[Sens Vader]

Zadina is pretty much a bust at this point. Low low low chance of success for a guy with a career high season of 10G/24P. Copp makes way too much for what would be a third liner + also has a 10 team NTC. Perron can still score but his age makes him a very short term solution + 10 team NTC.

The point is Detroit can make a package for Philly and Winnipeg with 17 ova being the biggest piece of value.

 

[R2010]

Nashville fan here, we have Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista Kemell fighting for four winger spots, plus Parssinen and Novak who can play center. I don't think DeBrincat is on our radar when we need defense and centers.

Sanderson would be a much more interesting player if we wanted to move Askarov or Saros.

Not seeing him much you probably don't realize this but Sanderson is probably a future Norris contender so the sens won't be moving him. I realize that seems like high praise for a young player (especially from a team that does a terrible job developing D like us) but he's absolutely unreal at both ends of the ice. His hockey sense and skating is like A+

 

[Burrowsaurus]

So we aren't going to use Giroux's 6.5 to find someone to backfill for him once he's off the books?

it’s just not easy to find replacements.

 

[Micklebot]

it’s just not easy to find replacements.

Sure, but with 6.5 me l in cap space it makes it a little easier. I just think we end up somewhere in between struggling to score, and replacing Giroux with someone equally as good. I think we'll be fine, especially when you factor in growth by our younger guys.

 

[scout20]

DBC for Jake Guentzel

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Nashville fan here, we have Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista Kemell fighting for four winger spots, plus Parssinen and Novak who can play center. I don't think DeBrincat is on our radar when we need defense and centers.

Sanderson would be a much more interesting player if we wanted to move Askarov or Saros.

Senators will run with Forsberg and Sogaard as the backup before losing Sanderson. Plus, there will be other goaltender alternatives available. You can drop the idea of getting Sanderson as that won't happen.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Why are people pretending that all players on the WJC team are in the same boat all of a sudden?

It’s not public, but it is known who was in the room, and who wasn’t, and it has been intimated by the lawyer involved in representing the small group of players, that some in the room were involved, and some not. There is a lot known about the circumstances surrounding the assault.

There was undeniably a young woman victimized, that’s not in question from a legal stand point.

Teams will know if a player they are trading for was in the room or not. If Hart was in the room the Sens won’t trade for him, but if he wasn’t it’s not an issue.

The names of the players involved aren’t public, but they aren’t unknown.

 

[bert]

i think people saying “we’re gonna take dbcs 8 million and get 3 or 2 really good players instead “ are a little too optimistic.

what’s likely to happen is that we’re just gonna have problems scoring in 2 years when giroux retires

Probably not no. This entire team is under 25 they are going to improve, players like Pinto and Grieg are likely second liners by then. The sens should also have lots of cap flexibility because they have signed guys to great contracts. This is a blessing in disguise. Dorion blundered himself into a situation where he can actually get out of if he gets a little lucky.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why are people pretending that all players on the WJC team are in the same boat all of a sudden?

It’s not public, but it is known who was in the room, and who wasn’t, and it has been interacted by the lawyer involved in representing the small group of players, that some in the room were involved, and some not.

There was undeniably a young woman victimized, that’s not in question.

Teams will know if a player they are trading for was in the room or not. If Hart was in the room the Sens won’t trade for him, but if he wasn’t it’s not an issue.

The names of the players involved aren’t public, but they aren’t unknown.

Speculation for sure.

 

[aragorn]

If Bratt doesn't want to sign with NJ he seems to be a very comparable to DBC. About the same size, about the same skill level & probably worth about the same salary give or take. Personally, I'd prefer a bigger tougher young playoff type player who is harder to play against & still has a very good skillset that could produce 50 plus pts. I like Boeser & Dubois because they can do a lot of other things too besides just put up pts.

Depending on what happens to Formenton he had the potential before he left to play with Norris & Batherson & put up 40 plus pts, maybe he returns. He's big, he's fast, he hits, he can play on the PK, he plays a gritty game & can be hard to play against. HockeyDB has him listed at 6'3" & 195 lbs, not sure how close that is. Having Formenton play 2nd line LW allows them to trade DBC for two good players to play with Pinto & have 3 good lines or bring in a good consistent #1 goalie & go to UFA or internally to fill in the 3rd line.

 

[bert]

it’s just not easy to find replacements.

Well they dont really need an exact replacement they need a guy who can play in the top 6 and is good 5 on 5 while being hard to play against. Debrincat was a luxury on a team that already has multiple players with a similar skill set they have commited money to on way better terms.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Sure, but with 6.5 me l in cap space it makes it a little easier. I just think we end up somewhere in between struggling to score, and replacing Giroux with someone equally as good. I think we'll be fine, especially when you factor in growth by our younger guys.

UFAs don't want to come here, we got Giroux because he has ties to the area.

It is possible but far from a given.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Speculation for sure.

Come now, we’re speculating in here for sure, but it’s reasonable to assume that Hockey Canada obviously knows given that they paid the young woman a million dollars.

The lawyer representing the players in the room knows, as do the lawyers in the other side. They shared text messages and phone videos prompting the young woman to push back.

The police know given that the young woman is cooperating with the Investigation, as shared in the news by her lawyer.

The players in the room know who was there, and the players not in the room know at the very least who wasn‘t there.

This really shouldn‘t be assumed to be a mystery, we just aren’t in the know, and for good reason.

 

[bert]

UFAs don't want to come here, we got Giroux because he has ties to the area.

It is possible but far from a given.

This is all fine and good to keep on repeat but there is a flat cap and no good teams have any room or cap space other than Carolina. Literally everyone is in cap hell. Supply and demand is a real thing right now. The sens are so lucky covid happened tbh. They got to lock up all their young guys at lower numbers and even Dorions blunders might work out for them because no one has any money.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Come now, we’re speculating in here for sure, but it’s reasonable to assume that Hockey Canada obviously knows given that they paid the young woman a million dollars.

The lawyer representing the players in the room knows, as do the lawyers in the other side. They shared text messages and phone videos prompting the young woman to push back.

The police know given that the young woman is cooperating with the Investigation, as shared in the news by her lawyer.

The players in the room know who was there, and the players not in the room know at the very least who wasn‘t there.

This really shouldn‘t be assumed to be a mystery, we just aren’t in the know, and for good reason.

Lawyers, and Police, HC, and players in the room, is not teams. If teams knew there would have been a leak by now, no matter how much you’re convinced.

 

[Micklebot]

UFAs don't want to come here, we got Giroux because he has ties to the area.

It is possible but far from a given.

As we progress from being a rebuilding team to a potential contender, that dynamic will change. We'll never be the go to destination that NYR are, but we're going to start attracting players again. Winning games solves a lot of problems.

 

[Masked]

There was undeniably a young woman victimized, that’s not in question from a legal stand point.

That's very much in question. If it wasn't, charges would have been laid a long time ago.

Assen na yo!