Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Cosmix]

Both from Michigan

That tells me where he wants to go; but does Detroit want him is the issue.

 

[wintersej]

What would Ottawa fans say to a Swayman for Pinto deal? Sorry for the intrusion, I’ll see myself out

 

[God Says No]

What would Ottawa fans say to a Swayman for Pinto deal? Sorry for the intrusion, I’ll see myself out

No thanks. Pinto is not touchable. Also not a big fan of Swayman. I'd do Ullmark but not for Pinto.

 

[Hale The Villain]

What would Ottawa fans say to a Swayman for Pinto deal? Sorry for the intrusion, I’ll see myself out

We should take that and run if offered.

Pinto could be a good middle 6 center one day but he's blocked by Stutzle/Norris.

Swayman has a .919 SV% through 90 NHL games and has put up great numbers at every level.

What's most impressive is his consistency. Have to go back to 2010/2011 when he was 13 years old to find a stretch of games where his save percentage wasn't above .910.

Can see that here: Jeremy Swayman at eliteprospects.com

 

[GCK]

What would Ottawa fans say to a Swayman for Pinto deal? Sorry for the intrusion, I’ll see myself out

I’d never trade a centre for a goalie. Do you want Debrincat ?

 

[BUCKLE UP]

We should take that and run if offered.

Pinto could be a good middle 6 center one day but he's blocked by Stutzle/Norris.

Swayman has a .919 SV% through 90 NHL games and has put up great numbers at every level.

What's most impressive is his consistency. Have to go back to 2010/2011 when he was 13 years old to find a stretch of games where his save percentage wasn't above .910.

Can see that here: Jeremy Swayman at eliteprospects.com

I agree. That's a risk this team should take. We can then move Grieg back to center and have Timmy/Norris/Grieg/Kastelic for the foreseeable future.

 

[wintersej]

I’d never trade a centre for a goalie. Do you want Debrincat ?

Nah Boston doesn’t have any need for more wingers. More likely one is shedded than added.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I’d never trade a centre for a goalie. Do you want Debrincat ?

The starting goalie job is a more important and valuable position to have filled than the 3rd line center spot.

 

[Sensators]

Build a good defensive system and the goalie will become good. I would rather focus on building the team first. Playoffs show had important a good goalie is but also how unreliable having a good goalie is. Vegas using their 3rd string goalie and most of the elite goalies gone early.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Build a good defensive system and the goalie will become good. I would rather focus on building the team first. Playoffs show had important a good goalie is but also how unreliable having a good goalie is. Vegas using their 3rd string goalie and most of the elite goalies gone early.

The first step is making the playoffs, which is difficult to do if you don't have good goaltending throughout the regular season.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The starting goalie job is a more important and valuable position to have filled than the 3rd line center spot.

There's no guarantee that Jeremy Swayman is a starting goalie. His career high is 41 games in a season and he did it playing behind a veteran, very defensively responsible team.

Trading Shane Pinto and then giving Swayman ~5M for multiple years would be a big risk, especially when there are goalies picked off the scrap heap who do well every single year.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

We should take that and run if offered.

Pinto could be a good middle 6 center one day but he's blocked by Stutzle/Norris.

Swayman has a .919 SV% through 90 NHL games and has put up great numbers at every level.

What's most impressive is his consistency. Have to go back to 2010/2011 when he was 13 years old to find a stretch of games where his save percentage wasn't above .910.

Can see that here: Jeremy Swayman at eliteprospects.com

Have to be a little cautious with those numbers in Boston vs what he might do here

 

[Hale The Villain]

There's no guarantee that Jeremy Swayman is a starting goalie. His career high is 41 games in a season and he did it playing behind a veteran, very defensively responsible team.

Trading Shane Pinto and then giving Swayman ~5M for multiple years would be a big risk, especially when there are goalies picked off the scrap heap who do well every single year.

There's no guarantees with any goalie, but again Swayman's above-average goaltending numbers through 90 career games is the continuation of his excellent play at every level and literally every season since becoming a teenager.

You look around the league to try to find goaltending help and there are more question marks with every other starting goalie that could be available this summer. Demko had a rough year, Gibson hasn't been great for several years, Hart hasn't been himself for 3 seasons, etc....

The far bigger risk is going into next season with a career backup coming off of multiple MCL tears as our #1 goalie.

 

[DaveMatthew]

There's no guarantees with any goalie, but again Swayman's above-average goaltending numbers through 90 career games is the continuation of his excellent play at every level and literally every season since becoming a teenager.

You look around the league to try to find goaltending help and there are more question marks with every other starting goalie that could be available this summer. Demko had a rough year, Gibson hasn't been great for several years, Hart hasn't been himself for 3 seasons, etc....

The far bigger risk is going into next season with a career backup coming off of multiple MCL tears as our #1 goalie.

I'd be happy to have Swayman on the team, no doubt. I wouldn't pay that high a price to bring him in though.

Goalies who've played under 100 NHL games don't have that much value. They never have.

Freddy Andersen was had a more impressive start to his career than Swayman when he was dealt to Toronto (plus he had a great playoff run under his belt). He went for a 1st and 2nd... but the 1st was 30th OA, so basically two 2nds.

 

[Cosmix]

Based on how the team played without the puck in its own D zone last season, I think we need the coaching staff to change the defensive strategy in the D zone to cut down on shots against. Cut down the high risk plays in the D zone. Don't allow the Fs to leave the D zone until we have puck possession instead of flying out of the zone anticipating we will get possession. Ensure the Fs know how to play without the puck in the D zone. Coaching can make a major difference there; we saw it with Boucher as coach.

 

[GCK]

The starting goalie job is a more important and valuable position to have filled than the 3rd line center spot.

I’ll disagree. Centre depth is critical to success. There is a reasonable chance Andersen, Vejmelka or Varlamov would perform as well as Swayman in any given situation.

 

[Masked]

We should take that and run if offered.

Pinto could be a good middle 6 center one day but he's blocked by Stutzle/Norris.

He could also be moved to the wing when the Sens need to replace Giroux in the top 6.

Assen na yo!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

The UFA goalie market is probably better than it's ever been. I'd rather take a chance there than pay a premium for one year of Helle.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I'd be happy to have Swayman on the team, no doubt. I wouldn't pay a high price to bring him in though. Definitely not Pinto.

Goalies who've played under 100 NHL games don't have that much value. They never have.

Freddy Andersen was had a more impressive start to his career than Swayman when he was dealt to Toronto (plus he had a great playoff run under his belt). He went for a 1st and 2nd... but the 1st was 30th OA, so basically two 2nds.

Cory Schneider returned the 9th OVR pick in 2013 with a similar amount of games played as Swayman.

Schneider was putting up decently better numbers, but that was when league scoring was down compared to now and he was 3 years older than Swayman when dealt. Same goes for Anderson.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Cory Schneider returned the 9th OVR pick in 2013 with a similar amount of games played as Swayman.

Schneider was putting up decently better numbers, but that was when league scoring was down compared to now and he was 3 years older than Swayman when dealt. Same goes for Anderson.

I don't think the Devils would do that trade over again. That was also 10 years ago.

The league has changed and goalies don't have the value they did in the early to mid 2000s. Especially young guys who "might" become #1s.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don't think the Devils would do that trade over again. That was also 10 years ago.

The league has changed and goalies don't have the value they did in the early to mid 2000s. Especially young guys who "might" become #1s.

The Devils wouldn't do it over again because they were in no position to be trading for a #1.

That team needed a full rebuild badly, but Lamoreillo isn't patient enough for that.

I may be lower on Pinto than most, but I think swapping a likely middle 6 center for a likely starting goalie makes sense for this team.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

With Norris coming back from injury i'm keeping Pinto.

You can win with any goalie he just needs to get hot at the right time just look at Adin Hill as one recent example.

 

[GCK]

Goalie values have dropped so much. It’s amazing that the last goalie taken in the top 10 of a draft was Carey Price.

 

[Sens Vader]

id target Carter Hart - he has under a 4mil cap hit and is still just 24 years old.

I feel like he would fit in well here

 

[bert]

I agree. That's a risk this team should take. We can then move Grieg back to center and have Timmy/Norris/Grieg/Kastelic for the foreseeable future.

There are plenty of goalies in free agency no thank you. Swayman is a product of a system he isnt anything special.

Cory Schneider returned the 9th OVR pick in 2013 with a similar amount of games played as Swayman.

Schneider was putting up decently better numbers, but that was when league scoring was down compared to now and he was 3 years older than Swayman when dealt. Same goes for Anderson.

Pinto is a defensively sound two way rookie who just scored 20 goals. He is going to be on a cheap contract the next two years too. The sens have no forward depth they cant trade him for a goalie who lost his job this year playing behind a historically good team. There are lots of similar goalies available in free agency.