Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Cosmix]

I understand wanting to keep Tkachuk-Stützle-Giroux together in Stützle first year as a full-time C, but I hope they're a lot more willing to experiment and balance things out next year.

I'd love to see:

Tkachuk - Stützle - Debrincat

Yeah, Debrincat changes sides, but all 3 of those players are more rovers than guys who just go north-south. And you'd think their skillsets would complement eachother.

Greig - Norris - Giroux

Greig and Giroux showed chemistry last year, plus it'd be good to insulate him with two good defensive players. Giroux and Greig are also pass first players while Norris is a great shooter.

Joseph - Pinto - Batherson

I expect Pinto to take another step and Batherson to rebound, so they can prey on lesser lines. In a perfect world Formenton is back and bumps Joseph to line 4.

I don't think Greig is NHL ready; more development and maturity required. Formenton would replace him.

 

[Loach]

This thread is a cesspool I can’t believe some people are still arguing over Burrows and Stalberg lol. Move on people

I’d like to try a Brady - Stu - DBC line

I know Cat plays LW but if he can find a way to try RW or maybe Brady moves over there I’d like to see that combo potentially

I love Giroux with Stu and Brady but we need to spread the wealth a little in our top 6 and not just load up our top line and hope the others can figure it out

Brady seems like he could play any forward spot.

 

[Daffy]

I don't think Greig is NHL ready; more development and maturity required. Formenton would replace him.

Formenton will never play a game for Ottawa again.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Formenton will never play a game for Ottawa again.

You may be right. But if no charges are brought, that would be a stupid decision on the part of the team.

 

[DJB]

Brady seems like he could play any forward spot.

I think he could as well given he spends most of the time in front of the net usually .

My thinking anyways

 

[Cosmix]

I think he could as well given he spends most of the time in front of the net usually .

My thinking anyways

I really like Brady Tkachuk; however, I think he does not have the quickness nor high end speed to play center effectively on a team that requires its centres to play a 200 foot game and check players deep into its D zone.

 

[Micklebot]

Again, would be interested to see your sources.

Dobber has the 22-23 line having 37 goals while the 21-22 line at 28.

They also seem to have the 22-23 line carrying play far more in terms of shots and chances.

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

NHL line combinations, NHL lineups from dobberhockey.com

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Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

NHL line combinations, NHL lineups from dobberhockey.com

frozenpool.dobbersports.com

Bath did miss a lot of games but their line had a lot of time together before his injury. Not to the same level as the 22-23 line over a whole season where each were healthy but still a lot of time together.

Natural statrick line tool, 5v5, so that would exclude EN situations which I believe favour Stü with Giroux and Tkachuk, explaining the difference.

By including EN, you're introducing a lot of random variance, less than 10 mins of playing against an EN resulted in an extra 7 goals for the stü line, but you don't need to stick to the regular line for EN situations, you can use specialists for that situation.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

Wrt the adv stats, it's tough to directly compare since we upgraded the D significantly with Sanderson and Hamonic all year (plus some games with Chychrun) instead of Zaitsev and Holden. I'd argue the third pair was also improved over Brown/Mete/MDZ with Brannstrom and Holden playing third pair most of the year

 

[BrawlFan]

Cat
Lassi

for

Carlo
2024 1st


Move that 1st for a winger or sign one.

Pairings of
Chabot-Carlo
Sandy-Zub
Chyck-Branny/Hammer/JBD


I also think that JBD can replace Zub as soon as next year. Neither of them are mean. I think Zub becomes expendable in 1-2 years time.

 

[BondraTime]

Cat
Lassi

for

Carlo
2024 1st


Move that 1st for a winger or sign one.

Pairings of
Chabot-Carlo
Sandy-Zub
Chyck-Branny/Hammer/JBD


I also think that JBD can replace Zub as soon as next year. Neither of them are mean. I think Zub becomes expendable in 1-2 years time.

Definitely not getting that much

 

[BrawlFan]

Definitely not getting that much

I'd do it straight for Carlo. Boston has a ton of capspace. Could sign Cat. I'd toss in Lassi and a pick. I think we need a RD with Chabby who can clear the front of the net.


What about:

Paranko
Kyrou LOL no but someone good. Obv not gettin ghim

Cat
Lassi
24 1st

 

[Daffy]

Cat
Lassi

for

Carlo
2024 1st


Move that 1st for a winger or sign one.

Pairings of
Chabot-Carlo
Sandy-Zub
Chyck-Branny/Hammer/JBD


I also think that JBD can replace Zub as soon as next year. Neither of them are mean. I think Zub becomes expendable in 1-2 years time.

Hard pass for Ottawa. No interest in Carlo. He isn't that good. And a pick near the end of the 1st round. No thx

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Cat
Lassi

for

Carlo
2024 1st


Move that 1st for a winger or sign one.

Pairings of
Chabot-Carlo
Sandy-Zub
Chyck-Branny/Hammer/JBD


I also think that JBD can replace Zub as soon as next year. Neither of them are mean. I think Zub becomes expendable in 1-2 years time.

Yeah I probably would. Look what that Vegas D-corps is doing.

I don't see this happening though.

 

[BondraTime]

I'd do it straight for Carlo. Boston has a ton of capspace. Could sign Cat. I'd toss in Lassi and a pick. I think we need a RD with Chabby who can clear the front of the net.


What about:

Paranko
Kyrou LOL no but someone good. Obv not gettin ghim

Cat
Lassi
24 1st

I’d love to get Carlo as well. I don’t think Boston can add a guy like DBC though, and I don’t think an unsigned DBC has that kind of value.

 

[BrawlFan]

Yeah I probably would. Look what that Vegas D-corps is doing.

I don't see this happening though.

yeah. you need a mean SOB beside Chabby. Take the pressure off of him. Dumba would also be amazing. Doubt he takes a short term deal with Ottawa tho. Or Paranko who isnt really mean but big enough to clear the net.

 

[BrawlFan]

Hard pass for Ottawa. No interest in Carlo. He isn't that good. And a pick near the end of the 1st round. No thx

He isn't. But he doesnt need to be. Just needs to be the Methot to our Karlsson (Chabby)

 

[Hale The Villain]

Washington's GM says he wants to get younger and more competitive.

Could see them being a player for DeBrincat. They recently extended his Erie/Chicago linemate Strome for 5 years and there is a hole at LW behind Ovie.

Doubt they'd put the 8th OVR on the table, even if we take on Mantha's deal, but maybe something like Mantha, Lapierre/McMichael, 2024 1st, 2023 2nd.

 

[GCK]

Washington's GM says he wants to get younger and more competitive.

Could see them being a player for DeBrincat. They recently extended his Erie/Chicago linemate Strome for 5 years and there is a hole at LW behind Ovie.

Doubt they'd put the 8th OVR on the table, even if we take on Mantha's deal, but maybe something like Mantha, Lapierre/McMichael, 2024 1st, 2023 2nd.

Interesting. That seems like a high price.

 

[Bileur]

Natural statrick line tool, 5v5, so that would exclude EN situations which I believe favour Stü with Giroux and Tkachuk, explaining the difference.

By including EN, you're introducing a lot of random variance, less than 10 mins of playing against an EN resulted in an extra 7 goals for the stü line, but you don't need to stick to the regular line for EN situations, you can use specialists for that situation.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

Wrt the adv stats, it's tough to directly compare since we upgraded the D significantly with Sanderson and Hamonic all year (plus some games with Chychrun) instead of Zaitsev and Holden. I'd argue the third pair was also improved over Brown/Mete/MDZ with Brannstrom and Holden playing third pair most of the year

Thanks for the sources, definitely interesting site. Bookmarked.

Some defensemen for the 22-23 team surely had an impact on advanced stats, but they also had fewer Ozone starts than the 21-22 first line, and the larger sample size is a great equalizer. When you’re talking about a +~10% swing in advanced stats despite having ~9% less favourable zone starts I think it’s about more than just the defensemen they played with.

When you compare each line + Zaitsev, the 22-23 line also comes out better.

It is interesting that 22-23 had 7 empty netters vs 2 for 21-22, that’s quite a jump. It’s also interesting that both lines time on ice going against empty nets was pretty similar with only a ~1:20 difference. That’s maybe three or four shifts over a whole season? They had pretty similar opportunities. 22-23 managed to cash in 7 times while allowing 0, while 21-22 only scored 2 while also allowing 2. Cashing in on your opportunities, empty net or not is important.

I think a lot of these little improvements can be at least partially attributed to Giroux’s experience.

Either way it’s an interesting discussion. I definitely get where you’re coming from wanting to reunite the 21-22 line, I prefer the 22-23 line.

 

[Micklebot]

Either way it’s an interesting discussion. I definitely get where you’re coming from wanting to reunite the 21-22 line, I prefer the 22-23 line.

It's not so much that I prefer one line over the other, both are pretty great lines, I think the option of running either one is to our advantage if nothing else.

That said, my philosophy has always been to run with duos rather than three man units. You can stack a line when needed or spread things out across three lines.

 

[bert]

You may be right. But if no charges are brought, that would be a stupid decision on the part of the team.

I think if he is guilty for sure. Charges that don't come to fruition shouldn't be a reason.

 

[JD1]

It's not necessarily he didn't/doesn't fit the roster construction. It's that he was played with the wrong kind of players by a coach in way over his head.

Obviously Debrincat had his best years playing with Patrick Kane in Chicago. There are two players and two players alone on Ottawa who have similar attributes to Patrick Kane: Claude Giroux and Tim Stützle. Did DJ give either of them an extended look with DBC? Nope. All while Pinto and/or Batherson seem like they'd be great fits with Tkachuk.

I agree that the roster needs tweaking and if Debrincat is moved I hope we can fill some holes that are pretty damn obvious. While maybe not quite as impactful as flipping roster pieces a good lineup change can be a pretty good substitute. Smith was, and is, bad in that regard.

DeBrincat was missing open nets and hitting posts because DJ was in over his head. Wow.

In 21-22, he scored 41 on 270 shots on goal. Last year he had 263 shots on goal. He just didn't put the biscuit in the basket.

His 27 was just a down year. That's all.

 

[JD1]

I'd do it straight for Carlo. Boston has a ton of capspace. Could sign Cat. I'd toss in Lassi and a pick. I think we need a RD with Chabby who can clear the front of the net.


What about:

Paranko
Kyrou LOL no but someone good. Obv not gettin ghim

Cat
Lassi
24 1st

Boston might be in the worst shape in the league as far as cap space goes

 

[bert]

DeBrincat was missing open nets and hitting posts because DJ was in over his head. Wow.

In 21-22, he scored 41 on 270 shots on goal. Last year he had 263 shots on goal. He just didn't put the biscuit in the basket.

His 27 was just a down year. That's all.

Its like no one actually watched the games. Or they don't want to remember what happened. My second favorite argument is saying he had bad linemates. (Which isn't true) But also want to give him 8 million a year when he can't drive a line at 5 on 5 and is probably a 2nd pp player when everyone is healthy. Then not adding all of this up to him really not being a great fit here with the teams roster construction. You need different types of players. Giroux, Batherson, Debrincat and to a lesser extent Pinto are very similar offensive players. All right handed, all have great shots and can score none have a terrific motor. None are capable of carrying a line and driving the play. The sens need to diversify the group. More, motor, more physicality.

 

[bert]

Boston might be in the worst shape in the league as far as cap space goes

They have some amazing contracts, no bad ones actually (maybe Coyle but its not terrible) they just have alot of good players. To me that's not being in bad shape, they just have to make some hard decisions. The sens don't have any cap space either as they have almost 6 million tied up in dead cap and Pierre's mistakes. Which is too bad because they could have taken advantage.

 

[JD1]

They have some amazing contracts, no bad ones actually (maybe Coyle but its not terrible) they just have alot of good players. To me that's not being in bad shape, they just have to make some hard decisions. The sens don't have any cap space either as they have almost 6 million tied up in dead cap and Pierre's mistakes. Which is too bad because they could have taken advantage.

They've got about 4.5 M in bonus money from 22-23 against the 23-24 cap.

They've got about 6 M in space and need to sign about 8 players. Bergeron and Krecji aren't signed. Neither is Swayman.

They're in trouble.