Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[SpezDispenser]

It was definitely effective, one good reason to try to get a piece like Crouse, Bertuzzi or Barbashev to play on that second line.

Or hope dbc wants to sign and let him go nuts with Stu.

 

[Micklebot]

Erik Brannstrom, I see people adding him to their lineups for next year. Why?

Pretty simple, the team doesn't have a better option, and his play has been progressing, and he will likely be cheap. Both coach and GM have singled him out as a bright spot, unless we make a trade, he's going to be a regular.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Erik Brannstrom, I see people adding him to their lineups for next year. Why?
He's 5-10, 180 lbs and scored 63 points in 90 AHL games.
With the additions of Sanderson and Chychrun, he's 4th in PP time on defense on a team that regularly uses forwards on the point. He should probably be playing on a team that has a better opportunity to use his offensive skills. If he stays here, he's stuck on the bottom pairing and his best qualities are being underutilized. Maybe he could move on and replace a guy like Hronek on Detroit.
Plus, I believe that we should probably shoot for somebody bigger and more defensive to replace him. Chabot, Chychrun and Sanderson provide a lot of offensive talent already. Holden and Zaitsev are gone, they played 90+ games last season with 3 minutes of PK time each. They weren't enough in that role either, so the player we get needs to be a significant upgrade on them.
I don't think that he meets the team's needs and the team no longer offers him the opportunity to grow as a player.



I could easily see a scenario where Hamonic, Pinto and Formenton combine for $6m alone.

Another 50 pages of Brannstrom debate, coming right up!

 

[Golden_Jet]

Was it clearly not as good? Idk, the 2021-22 line scored more,

Stü will be an elite #1 center whether he's playing with Tkachuk and G or not, I'm not concerned about him. It's not like he'd be with scrubs, DeBrincat has the 14th most goals in the league from 2018-19 to present, and Giroux is, well Giroux.

No they didn’t score more.

This years line all scored 35+ goals, that’s why they’ve been saying , the highest scoring line since the Pizza line. Point wise not close either,

Yes, actual goals, more were scored once you adjust for toi due to the Norris and Batherson injuries.

Tkachuk-Stützle--Giroux (2022-23)
5v5 3.55 Gf/60

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson (2021-22)
5v5 4.21 Gf/60

Lmao, nice goalpost move,
you they scored more , if you look at pace and 5 on 5.
Pace sadly doesn’t count on the scoreboard, so no they didn’t score more.

 

[Micklebot]

No they didn’t score more.

This years line all scored 35+ goals, that’s why they’ve been saying , the highest scoring line since the Pizza line. Point wise not close either,


Lmao, nice goalpost move,
you they scored more , if you look at pace and 5 on 5.
Pace sadly doesn’t count on the scoreboard, so no they didn’t score more.

It's not a goal post move, its using your head.


We're talking about line performance and which would be better for the team.

Pace is used because both Norris and Bath missed time to injuries that are unlikely to be regular occurrencs, unless you think Dell will knock out Batherson with a cheap shot every year, pace is going to be more predictive going forward.

Even if you want raw on ice goals, the 2021-22 line was on the ice for 26 goals despite Bath missing 36 games vs 30 for the 2022-23 group with all three combining for 4 games missed. If your asking which line had better chemistry, which was the initial conversation, it seems pretty clear how pace is more relevant

But ya, lmao all you want, doesn't make your position any more compelling.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's not a goal post move, its using your head.


We're talking about line performance and which would be better for the team.

Pace is used because both Norris and Bath missed time to injuries that are unlikely to be regular occurrencs, unless you think Dell will knock out Batherson with a cheap shot every year, pace is going to be more predictive going forward.

Even if you want raw on ice goals, the 2021-22 line was on the ice for 26 goals despite Bath missing 36 games vs 30 for the 2022-23 group with all three combining for 4 games missed. If your asking which line had better chemistry, which was the initial conversation, it seems pretty clear how pace is more relevant

But ya, lmao all you want, doesn't make your position any more compelling.

It is a lmao, saying they scored more, than posters say they didn’t, then bring in pace and 5 on 5. But you, no that’s not a goalpost move, that’s using your head.
lol this place is funny sometimes, with the silly takes.

 

[Micklebot]

It is a lmao, saying they scored more, than posters say they didn’t, then bring in pace and 5 on 5. But you, no that’s not a goalpost move, that’s using your head.
lol this place is funny sometimes, with the silly takes.

Context of the discussion is important, if you want to ignore that in an attempt at a gotcha moment, by all means, but you aren't really adding value to the discussion

So ya, keep it up.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Lineup discussion in here

Mornings Hour 2

JR's TSN Mornings command centre, Sens GM Pierre Dorion on the Cam and Strick podcast, update on Josh Norris, Brady Tkachuk on In the Box and Brad Treliving's to-do list when named Leafs GM.

www.tsn.ca

Simmer lays out some of his concerns on the team structure. Not much new.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Context of the discussion is important, if you want to ignore that in an attempt at a gotcha moment, by all means, but you aren't really adding value to the discussion

So ya, keep it up.

I just checked, no mention of 5 on 5 or pace play anywhere, so probably best we keep to the facts, than some made up context.

 

[Micklebot]

I just checked, no mention of 5 on 5 or pace play anywhere, so probably best we keep to the facts, than some made up context.

Good for you, we were talking about line combinations and chemistry the respective lines had. If you're unable to figure out why pace is far more relevant that's on you not me, it's pretty straight forward.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Good for you, we were talking about line combinations and chemistry the respective lines had. If you're unable to figure out why pace is far more relevant that's on you not me, it's pretty straight forward.

Lol at the pace being better than actual goals. Joseph paced for 90 points, in 21/22. Guess he was our best player, when arrived.

Being healthy is a real thing.
Don’t bother replying, we’re done, but since you seem like a last word guy…..

 

[DaveMatthew]

I understand wanting to keep Tkachuk-Stützle-Giroux together in Stützle first year as a full-time C, but I hope they're a lot more willing to experiment and balance things out next year.

I'd love to see:

Tkachuk - Stützle - Debrincat

Yeah, Debrincat changes sides, but all 3 of those players are more rovers than guys who just go north-south. And you'd think their skillsets would complement eachother.

Greig - Norris - Giroux

Greig and Giroux showed chemistry last year, plus it'd be good to insulate him with two good defensive players. Giroux and Greig are also pass first players while Norris is a great shooter.

Joseph - Pinto - Batherson

I expect Pinto to take another step and Batherson to rebound, so they can prey on lesser lines. In a perfect world Formenton is back and bumps Joseph to line 4.

 

[Masked]

I understand wanting to keep Tkachuk-Stützle-Giroux together in Stützle first year as a full-time C, but I hope they're a lot more willing to experiment and balance things out next year.

I'd love to see:

Tkachuk - Stützle - Debrincat

Yeah, Debrincat changes sides, but all 3 of those players are more rovers than guys who just go north-south. And you'd think their skillsets would complement eachother.

Greig - Norris - Giroux

Greig and Giroux showed chemistry last year, plus it'd be good to insulate him with two good defensive players. Giroux and Greig are also pass first players while Norris is a great shooter.

Joseph - Pinto - Batherson

I expect Pinto to take another step and Batherson to rebound, so they can prey on lesser lines. In a perfect world Formenton is back and bumps Joseph to line 4.

I'd sooner go

Formenton (Joseph) - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux

Batherson and Norris have demonstrated chemistry over multiple seasons. And putting Giroux down the lineup with less ice time will keep him fresher over the season and, hopefully, into the playoffs.

Assen na yo!

 

[Golden_Jet]

I understand wanting to keep Tkachuk-Stützle-Giroux together in Stützle first year as a full-time C, but I hope they're a lot more willing to experiment and balance things out next year.

I'd love to see:

Tkachuk - Stützle - Debrincat

Yeah, Debrincat changes sides, but all 3 of those players are more rovers than guys who just go north-south. And you'd think their skillsets would complement eachother.

Greig - Norris - Giroux

Greig and Giroux showed chemistry last year, plus it'd be good to insulate him with two good defensive players. Giroux and Greig are also pass first players while Norris is a great shooter.

Joseph - Pinto - Batherson

I expect Pinto to take another step and Batherson to rebound, so they can prey on lesser lines. In a perfect world Formenton is back and bumps Joseph to line 4.

Be nice to have one guy on the line that shoots right handed.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I'd sooner go

Formenton (Joseph) - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux

Batherson and Norris have demonstrated chemistry over multiple seasons. And putting Giroux down the lineup with less ice time will keep him fresher over the season and, hopefully, into the playoffs.

Assen na yo!

I'd try that as well.

 

[Bileur]

I'd sooner go

Formenton (Joseph) - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux

Batherson and Norris have demonstrated chemistry over multiple seasons. And putting Giroux down the lineup with less ice time will keep him fresher over the season and, hopefully, into the playoffs.

Assen na yo!

I really like the idea of Greig and Pinto together. If they develop chemistry, in time they could be the core of a great third/shutdown line and first group over the boards on the PK.

A modern, more offensively gifted but likely less elite defensively version of Maltby-Draper or Nierdermayer-Pahlsson.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Could we look at Lucic as a Watson replacement?

 

[aragorn]

I really like the idea of Greig and Pinto together. If they develop chemistry, in time they could be the core of a great third/shutdown line and first group over the boards on the PK.

A modern, more offensively gifted but likely less elite defensively version of Maltby-Draper or Nierdermayer-Pahlsson.

Would be nice to get them a playmaker/goalscorer on RW or maybe Greig turns into the playmaker for that line. Ottawa does have some options coming at RW in Boucher, Sokolov & Petersson, hopefully one of them turns into a very good player.

 

[Bileur]

It's not a goal post move, its using your head.


We're talking about line performance and which would be better for the team.

Pace is used because both Norris and Bath missed time to injuries that are unlikely to be regular occurrencs, unless you think Dell will knock out Batherson with a cheap shot every year, pace is going to be more predictive going forward.

Even if you want raw on ice goals, the 2021-22 line was on the ice for 26 goals despite Bath missing 36 games vs 30 for the 2022-23 group with all three combining for 4 games missed. If your asking which line had better chemistry, which was the initial conversation, it seems pretty clear how pace is more relevant

But ya, lmao all you want, doesn't make your position any more compelling.

Again, would be interested to see your sources.

Dobber has the 22-23 line having 37 goals while the 21-22 line at 28.

They also seem to have the 22-23 line carrying play far more in terms of shots and chances.

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

NHL line combinations, NHL lineups from dobberhockey.com

frozenpool.dobbersports.com

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

NHL line combinations, NHL lineups from dobberhockey.com

frozenpool.dobbersports.com

Bath did miss a lot of games but their line had a lot of time together before his injury. Not to the same level as the 22-23 line over a whole season where each were healthy but still a lot of time together.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Again, would be interested to see your sources.

Dobber has the 22-23 line having 37 goals while the 21-22 line at 28.

They also seem to have the 22-23 line carrying play far more in terms of shots and chances.

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

NHL line combinations, NHL lineups from dobberhockey.com

frozenpool.dobbersports.com

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

NHL line combinations, NHL lineups from dobberhockey.com

frozenpool.dobbersports.com

Bath did miss a lot of games but their line had a lot of time together before his injury. Not to the same level as the 22-23 line over a whole season where each were healthy but still a lot of time together.

Looks like they paced to exactly the same number of goals...(513 minutes vs. 375 minutes)

 

[Cosmix]

Made me smile to see Tkachuk-Zhamnov-Selanne!

I will add The Hot Line:
"Anders Hedberg, Ulf Nilsson and Bobby Hull became locally known as “The Hot Line.” This prolific trio combined for an ungodly 573 goals, 1,377 points and averaged 100-points each for three out of the four seasons they played together."

My source was:

Official Winnipeg Jets Website | Winnipeg Jets

The official National Hockey League website including news, rosters, stats, schedules, teams, and video.

www.nhl.com

 

[Alf Silfversson]

bert said:
I dont like the plus minus stat other than comparing it against a players own teamates

He was -31 second worst on the team. That's compared to his own teammates. Said that right in the post you quoted. Maybe cherry pick better next time.

The eye test matched the results. He isn't a good fit with the current roster construction. Do you believe a team should give 10% of their cap to a player that can't drive a line and gets caved in 5 on 5? Is at best the teams 4th or 5th best forward. Is there any wrong logic to that? If so please present a tangible argument. I suspect we won't see one, you'll probably deflect and start hurting insults. But hopefully I'm proven wrong.

It's not necessarily he didn't/doesn't fit the roster construction. It's that he was played with the wrong kind of players by a coach in way over his head.

Obviously Debrincat had his best years playing with Patrick Kane in Chicago. There are two players and two players alone on Ottawa who have similar attributes to Patrick Kane: Claude Giroux and Tim Stützle. Did DJ give either of them an extended look with DBC? Nope. All while Pinto and/or Batherson seem like they'd be great fits with Tkachuk.

I agree that the roster needs tweaking and if Debrincat is moved I hope we can fill some holes that are pretty damn obvious. While maybe not quite as impactful as flipping roster pieces a good lineup change can be a pretty good substitute. Smith was, and is, bad in that regard.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Erik Brannstrom, I see people adding him to their lineups for next year. Why?
He's 5-10, 180 lbs and scored 63 points in 90 AHL games.
With the additions of Sanderson and Chychrun, he's 4th in PP time on defense on a team that regularly uses forwards on the point. He should probably be playing on a team that has a better opportunity to use his offensive skills. If he stays here, he's stuck on the bottom pairing and his best qualities are being underutilized. Maybe he could move on and replace a guy like Hronek on Detroit.
Plus, I believe that we should probably shoot for somebody bigger and more defensive to replace him. Chabot, Chychrun and Sanderson provide a lot of offensive talent already. Holden and Zaitsev are gone, they played 90+ games last season with 3 minutes of PK time each. They weren't enough in that role either, so the player we get needs to be a significant upgrade on them.
I don't think that he meets the team's needs and the team no longer offers him the opportunity to grow as a player.

Brannstrom has shown he can play top four minutes when needed. This D-corps is very injury-prone. I'd be shocked if both Chabot and Chychrun end up both playing 65+ games next season.

 

[Que]

It's not necessarily he didn't/doesn't fit the roster construction. It's that he was played with the wrong kind of players by a coach in way over his head.

Obviously Debrincat had his best years playing with Patrick Kane in Chicago. There are two players and two players alone on Ottawa who have similar attributes to Patrick Kane: Claude Giroux and Tim Stützle. Did DJ give either of them an extended look with DBC? Nope. All while Pinto and/or Batherson seem like they'd be great fits with Tkachuk.

I agree that the roster needs tweaking and if Debrincat is moved I hope we can fill some holes that are pretty damn obvious. While maybe not quite as impactful as flipping roster pieces a good lineup change can be a pretty good substitute. Smith was, and is, bad in that regard.

Honestly I thought Brinsky played a lot with Giroux last season - but he was double shifted and given more ice time that he should of had almost every game. Usage and strategy were both issues for him last season.

That with highlight reel saves and posts.

Brannstrom has shown he can play top four minutes when needed. This D-corps is very injury-prone. I'd be shocked if both Chabot and Chychrun end up both playing 65+ games next season.

I’m worried we might not get 80 out of both…

 

[Cosmix]

Being out here for the West Coast Express was something to behold. That and the Pizza Line were awesome.

I ate a lot of Pizza when they played for Ottawa!