Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Sensators]

I don't think he's available but if there was some way to get Terry for dbc I would do it. If we could find a way to get them to include one of those young dmen all the better.

Guy passes the eye test for me. Great hands and not afraid to beat a guy. He reminds me of hall but not the elite speed, a little less perimeter than hall.

 

[Samboni]

IMO if DBC doesn’t extend in Ottawa it won’t be because of money, it will be for family reasons - e.g. Johnny Goudreau. If that turns out to be true, he would consider: Detroit, Chicago, Columbus, Pittsburg or St. Louis. Out of those 5 teams, which is the most likely trade partner and what could we get in return.

 

[bert]

IMO if DBC doesn’t extend in Ottawa it won’t be because of money, it will be for family reasons - e.g. Johnny Goudreau. If that turns out to be true, he would consider: Detroit, Chicago, Columbus, Pittsburg or St. Louis. Out of those 5 teams, which is the most likely trade partner and what could we get in return.

I just want futures back and to concentrate on the UFA pool. They are so low on picks and prospects. Not alot of teams have cap space or attractive situation this offseason.

 

[Masked]

I just want futures back and to concentrate on the UFA pool. They are so low on picks and prospects. Not alot of teams have cap space or attractive situation this offseason.

I'd almost rather go one year with DeBrincat than let Pierre go free agent hunting this summer. By next offseason the hockey operations team will be rebuilt and hopefully there's a better group in there to sign free agents.

Assen na yo!

 

[bert]

I'd almost rather go one year with DeBrincat than let Pierre go free agent hunting this summer. By next offseason the hockey operations team will be rebuilt and hopefully there's a better group in there to sign free agents.

Assen na yo!

So you'd rather get nothing for him? That would be an all time terrible trade. There is a great group of free agents this year and the caps going to go up next year. They don't need superstars they need hard players to play against. They have the top end talent. Barbashev, Bertuzzi is exactly what this team is missing. Hard fast physical players that contribute 5 on 5 that can play in the top 6 that don't have to play on the first pp.

 

[BankStreetParade]

You quoted it. You can't be serious then I backed up the comment with tangible explanations. It's actually in this thread.... Other posters are reading it....

Yes batherson played a very poor season. Do you disagree with that too? He can be better we have seen it. More than one player can struggle. Doesn't mean these issues can't be fixed.

Lastly you are absolutely correct it's not an intellectually honest conversation and you are 100 percent responsible for it.

I'll give you $100 to show me where in the post I quoted you referenced his plus minus in relation to his teammates. Show me the exact words that prove me wrong or shut the f*** up.

 

[Bileur]

I'd almost rather go one year with DeBrincat than let Pierre go free agent hunting this summer. By next offseason the hockey operations team will be rebuilt and hopefully there's a better group in there to sign free agents.

Assen na yo!

Does this assume we move him at the deadline with significant retention?

His 9 million QO will block many potential teams from adding him at the deadline. It would also be tough to justify moving him at the deadline if we’re fighting for/in a playoff position (which is the objective) at the time.

I like DeBrincat but I don’t think it’s a good idea to tie this team’s future to a 5’7 forward. At the salary he’ll command we’d need him to be a first line player. We’ve already got 7 and 18 as well as 9, 28 and 19 who can and need to handle that load.

I think it would be better to try to find a forward who (1) costs less, allowing us to improve depth; and (2) meshes better with Norris and Batherson (ideally a physical guy).

The best time to move DeBrincat is at the draft, when teams have high hopes and full wallets.

 

[bert]

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I'll give you $100 to show me where in the post I quoted you referenced his plus minus in relation to his teammates. Show me the exact words that prove me wrong or shut the f*** up.

I said it in the quotes you posted............ I literally shows it twice. Its in your own post. Get ahold of yourself this is an anonymous message board swearing at people acting tough is pathetic. You have some serious issues. Look how far you have taken this... I explained why I don't want them to sign him. Over and over again. In a post you quoted I literally said 'I don't like the stat unless it's compared to his teammates' I don't need to repeat it in every post for it not to be true. Again you are unhinged over a hockey discussion.

 

[Masked]

So you'd rather get nothing for him? That would be an all time terrible trade. There is a great group of free agents this year and the caps going to go up next year. They don't need superstars they need hard players to play against. They have the top end talent. Barbashev, Bertuzzi is exactly what this team is missing. Hard fast physical players that contribute 5 on 5 that can play in the top 6 that don't have to play on the first pp.

I did say "almost".

But I'd almost rather have DeBrincat for one season and his cap space next off season with a hopefully competent group of pro scouting than worry about Pierre signing a free agent that doesn't fit to a boat anchor of a contract this off season.

What Pierre traded for DeBrincat is a sunk cost. Would you rather Pierre decide what to do with DeBrincat's cap space going forward or would you rather the person in a mystery box, who is likely a competent NHL GM, decide what to do with that cap space?

Assen na yo!

 

[Masked]

Does this assume we move him at the deadline with significant retention?

Only if the team is out of the playoff race. If the team is in the playoff race, and I expect them to be, I'd keep him and then have our hopefully competent GM use the cap space in the off season.

But I'm on the fence about what to do. If DeBrincat doesn't want to sign long term here, I get moving on from him but I'm a bit concerned about Pierre's track record in bringing in players from other teams. Ideally Pierre would be gone before the decision is made but that's looking rather unlikely at this point.

Assen na yo!

 

[Bileur]

Wish they tried DBC with Stutzle for an extended period of time.

Natural shooter who finds dead spots with a playmaking demon who regularly pulls 2 guys to him.

Seems an obvious match, but they must have been together for only a couple of games if that. What would the logic be for that?

If it's because of size, DBC-Kane was smaller and they didn't do too bad.

Stutzle would have given DBC so many clean looks to shoot.

That playmaking demon’s game is evolving. He scored the most goals in a single season of any Ottawa senator since the Pizza line in 07-08 and the sixth highest single season point total in franchise history. I don’t see an advantage to asking him to switch back to a more playmaker role when he’s having huge success. To what end? So DBC can maybe return to a 40 goal form? Stutzle will be a 40 goal guy next year if we don’t go galaxy brain and fix what ain’t broke. Stutzle is the key to this franchise. I want them to do everything in their power to push him to the next level.

Pairing him with Brady and G created the most productive line we’ve had since Pizza days. One winger making room for him, one winger helping on draws, playmaking and experience. Both huge motivators pushing him to give his all and whine less. It’s exactly the perfect mix to keep him progressing. It was a huge success and there is no reason to split them up.

 

[bert]

That playmaking demon’s game is evolving. He scored the most goals in a single season of any Ottawa senator since the Pizza line in 07-08 and the sixth highest single season point total in franchise history. I don’t see an advantage to asking him to switch back to a more playmaker role when he’s having huge success. To what end? So DBC can maybe return to a 40 goal form? Stutzle will be a 40 goal guy next year if we don’t go galaxy brain and fix what ain’t broke. Stutzle is the key to this franchise. I want them to do everything in their power to push him to the next level.

Pairing him with Brady and G created the most productive line we’ve had since Pizza days. One winger making room for him, one winger helping on draws, playmaking and experience. Both huge motivators pushing him to give his all and whine less. It’s exactly the perfect mix to keep him progressing. It was a huge success and there is no reason to split them up.

Precisely the obvious match was exactly the one they went with resulting in a true power house line that had all aspects. Speed, skill, physicality a true nightmare matchup for the opponent. Its the rest of the forwards that need to be much much better. Hoping for a shift in philosophy in how to build the team after the first line. In a scenario where Formenton and Norris are both back that will make the rest of the forwards much better in all aspects specifically defensively and physically. The sens are close to building something special that can win come playoff time. This could be the lineup next year.

Trade Debrincat for a First and 2nd/3rd round pick in this years draft.

Sign Brannstrom 2 X $1.5 Pinto 2 X $2 Formenton 1X $1.75

Sign Barbashev 5 X $5, Reaves 2 X $1.5, Schenn 3 X $2 and Varlamov 3 X $2.5 as UFA's.

Tkachuk Stutzle Giroux
Barbashev Norris Batherson
Formenton Pinto Joseph
Kelly Kastelic Reaves
Crookshank Grieg Sokolov

Sanderson Zub
Chabot Chyrchurn
Brannstrom Schenn
Matinpalo JBD

Varlamov
Forsberg

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

That playmaking demon’s game is evolving. He scored the most goals in a single season of any Ottawa senator since the Pizza line in 07-08 and the sixth highest single season point total in franchise history. I don’t see an advantage to asking him to switch back to a more playmaker role when he’s having huge success. To what end? So DBC can maybe return to a 40 goal form? Stutzle will be a 40 goal guy next year if we don’t go galaxy brain and fix what ain’t broke. Stutzle is the key to this franchise. I want them to do everything in their power to push him to the next level.

Pairing him with Brady and G created the most productive line we’ve had since Pizza days. One winger making room for him, one winger helping on draws, playmaking and experience. Both huge motivators pushing him to give his all and whine less. It’s exactly the perfect mix to keep him progressing. It was a huge success and there is no reason to split them up.

This argument reminds me of when people wanted Stutzle to play LW when he clearly was better suited and more natural at C. He is also a natural playmaker but can be dominant at both.

Both of our top lines were minus for the majority of the season and we ended up never seriously being in playoff contention. How is that a huge success and worthy of not even trying a combination, esp when one player has an expiring contract and trying it might give you a better understanding of your team?

And Stutzle will be successful at any style he plays and I don't see why can't be a elite goal scorer and elite playmaker in one season. Alfredsson was that, Stutzle has the potential to be even better than Alfie. Not to mention DBC is actually a great passer himself. They would only help each others goals totals. Like Marchand and Pasta or McDavid and Draistaitl etc.

No reason why Stutzle can't be a 40-70 guy or even 50 60.

And not even trying them is like if you got Heatley and played him with Fisher and Vermette without even seeing how he would look with Spezza. Little sense in that, so why is it different with Stutzle and DBC.

And again a season where the team was never a threat for the playoffs isn't successful. You can't be a playoff team if both your top lines are minus.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Hells no to Reaves and Shenn…. We don’t need to get slower and add guys who can barely play.

That 4th line is brutal and would only be in for a few minutes a game and be a waste of Kasty. Much rather see Grieg/Crookshank and guy like Foligno.

As for D, Hammy is better then Shenn, and wants to be here, but I’d rather play JBD or Kleven than waste a roster spot on a guy that should be a 7.

If we can’t sign DBC, than I want us to do better than adding a couple of mid grade UFAs and bottom guys and a few late draft picks. I’d hope we could get a decent player back as we are looking to start winning games now, not adding draft capital.

 

[Bileur]

This argument reminds me of when people wanted Stutzle to play LW when he clearly was better suited and more natural at C. He is also a natural playmaker but can be dominant at both.

Both of our top lines were minus for the majority of the season and we ended up never seriously being in playoff contention. How is that a huge success and worthy of not even trying a combination, esp when one player has an expiring contract and trying it might give you a better understanding of your team?

And Stutzle will be successful at any style he plays and I don't see why can't be a elite goal scorer and elite playmaker in one season. Alfredsson was that, Stutzle has the potential to be even better than Alfie. Not to mention DBC is actually a great passer himself. They would only help each others goals totals. Like Marchand and Pasta or McDavid and Draistaitl etc.

No reason why Stutzle can't be a 40-70 guy or even 50 60.

And not even trying them is like if you got Heatley and played him with Fisher and Vermette without even seeing how he would look with Spezza. Little sense in that, so why is it different with Stutzle and DBC.

And again a season where the team was never a threat for the playoffs isn't successful. You can't be a playoff team if both your top lines are minus.

Not at all. If anything to play Stutzle with DeBrincat is what is similar to playing him at LW. It’s a decision based on a pre-conceived notion of what each player’s roles and limitations should be.

I agree the team needs to improve defensively. I don’t think playing Pinto with Tkachuk and Stutzle with DeBrincat does anything at all to improve defensive performance. Each player needs to progress on their own regardless of lines.

Let’s be clear that Tkachuk and G both had career highs in goals playing with Stutzle. He can clearly still use his playmaking without being paired with DeBrincat. The point is that I don’t want the 21 year old budding superstar to be used to prop up the 25 year old. Our focus should be how to maximize Stutzle.

My proposition is nothing like not trying Heatley with Spezza. Heatley was very complimentary to Spezza’s game. Tkachuk’s physicality, net drive and scoring are IMO much more complimentary to Stutzle’s game than DeBrincat’s shot is. Even in your examples, the reason Marchand works so well with Pasta is in part his ability to bring something different to the line. Same with a 36 goal, 83 point Zach Hyman. He brings a complimentary skill set to McDavid and does the dirty work. Drai is a superstar in his own right and isn’t a fair comparison.

Besides, Tkachuk’s past season was just as if not more productive than anything Cat has ever done. Even playing with Kane.

Literally all I’m proposing is leaving the top line, which is meshing beautifully (like Boston’s top line), together. What you’re proposing is more like taking Alfie off Spezza’s line to see if playing with Spezza will allow Kovalev to get back to his 40+ goal form. Sure, it could potentially work, but Alfie’s all round impact was huge for Spezza, just like Tkachuk’s is for Tim. I agree Stutzle can be a 40-70-110 guy. His best shot to do so next year is playing with 7 and 28.
I agree the season as a whole wasn’t a success but the top line, and the development of Stutzle and Tkachuk, certainly were successes.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Pinto has no bargaining power without the option of arbitration or an offer sheet.

I expect he'll sign a one year deal for less than a million. Depending on who the GM is, I'd expect a long term deal next year.

Assen na yo!

Pinto may be an RFA but he still scored 20 last season. There's zero chance he signs for under 1M.

Probably somewhere between 1.5-2M on a 1 year deal. Bit more if we bridge him for 2 years.

 

[bicboi64]

I think Pinto would be complimentary to Tkachuk. Pinto was bad offensively, but was still defensively sound. Given how bad Brady is at defense, Pinto would help cover any defensive short comings on a line with Tkachuk and someone like Giroux, while allowing those two to take advantage of space that Brady creates and Giroux's creativity.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Not at all. If anything to play Stutzle with DeBrincat is what is similar to playing him at LW. It’s a decision based on a pre-conceived notion of what each player’s roles and limitations should be.

I agree the team needs to improve defensively. I don’t think playing Pinto with Tkachuk and Stutzle with DeBrincat does anything at all to improve defensive performance. Each player needs to progress on their own regardless of lines.

Let’s be clear that Tkachuk and G both had career highs in goals playing with Stutzle. He can clearly still use his playmaking without being paired with DeBrincat. The point is that I don’t want the 21 year old budding superstar to be used to prop up the 25 year old. Our focus should be how to maximize Stutzle.

My proposition is nothing like not trying Heatley with Spezza. Heatley was very complimentary to Spezza’s game. Tkachuk’s physicality, net drive and scoring are IMO much more complimentary to Stutzle’s game than DeBrincat’s shot is. Even in your examples, the reason Marchand works so well with Pasta is in part his ability to bring something different to the line. Same with a 36 goal, 83 point Zach Hyman. He brings a complimentary skill set to McDavid and does the dirty work. Drai is a superstar in his own right and isn’t a fair comparison.

Besides, Tkachuk’s past season was just as if not more productive than anything Cat has ever done. Even playing with Kane.

Literally all I’m proposing is leaving the top line, which is meshing beautifully (like Boston’s top line), together. What you’re proposing is more like taking Alfie off Spezza’s line to see if playing with Spezza will allow Kovalev to get back to his 40+ goal form. Sure, it could potentially work, but Alfie’s all round impact was huge for Spezza, just like Tkachuk’s is for Tim. I agree Stutzle can be a 40-70-110 guy. His best shot to do so next year is playing with 7 and 28.
I agree the season as a whole wasn’t a success but the top line, and the development of Stutzle and Tkachuk, certainly were successes.

you dont even know if they would or wont be complimentary because they were never tried.

and having a goal scorer who can score from distance and find dead spots with the very best in the sport, paired with a player who can challenge 2 or 3 players at once and come away with it, is simplistic but the definition of complimentary. Stutzle pulls them out of position and finds a player who can fire lasers from anywhere is hard to control.

Gretzky-Kurri
Backstrom-Ovechkin
Spezza-Heatley
Kane-Debrinacat

tons more, its all the same basic formula that works.

and the preconceived notion about Stutzle was that he was a c. which was the correct notion, it was only overcoaching that made him stand awkwardly on the wing waiting for the puck when he could really go coast to coast at will.

I think DBC is actually a decent defensive player and with Stutzle they could have been +10 or 20 if they got going, which could have meant playoffs. instead they never even tried it and we got two lines who couldn't outscore their defensive woes and no playoffs.

and even if it didn't work out, not trying it all is what i really find fault with. and now dbc will probably get jettisoned and we'll never know.

boston line is hella dominant two way, never been a minus i think, our top line has got a long way to go. and DBC is closer to Alfie than Brady in playstyle and defensive play.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Does this assume we move him at the deadline with significant retention?

His 9 million QO will block many potential teams from adding him at the deadline. It would also be tough to justify moving him at the deadline if we’re fighting for/in a playoff position (which is the objective) at the time.

I like DeBrincat but I don’t think it’s a good idea to tie this team’s future to a 5’7 forward. At the salary he’ll command we’d need him to be a first line player. We’ve already got 7 and 18 as well as 9, 28 and 19 who can and need to handle that load.

I think it would be better to try to find a forward who (1) costs less, allowing us to improve depth; and (2) meshes better with Norris and Batherson (ideally a physical guy).

The best time to move DeBrincat is at the draft, when teams have high hopes and full wallets.

Agree with all of this.

If offers are crap this off-season it's easy to say we'll just keep him until the deadline and trade him when GMs get desperate for talent, but it's a hard thing to do if the team ends up being in the playoff race. No team wants to subtract from their roster when it could mean the difference of making the playoffs or not, especially one that hasn't made the post-season in 6 years.

Keeping DeBrincat would almost certainly make us the better team next year and increase our chances of making the playoffs, but this team is in no position to be renting players at the cost of a 1st+ (which is what we'd lose by not trading him), especially after already trading multiple 1sts away in recent years and burning one on Boucher.

We need to move him by the draft. Should have moved him at last year's deadline and shouldn't have acquired him in the first place, but can't do anything about that now.

 

[Relapsing]

I'd almost rather go one year with DeBrincat than let Pierre go free agent hunting this summer. By next offseason the hockey operations team will be rebuilt and hopefully there's a better group in there to sign free agents.

Assen na yo!

LOLOLOL. This is one of the most idiotic hypotheticals I've seen in this thread.

 

[Masked]

LOLOLOL. This is one of the most idiotic hypotheticals I've seen in this thread.

Not a hypothetical. It's an opinion.

assennayo

 

[Relapsing]

Not a hypothetical. It's an opinion.

assennayo

Then it's a pretty dumb opinion. Imo. Lol.

 

[bert]

I think Pinto would be complimentary to Tkachuk. Pinto was bad offensively, but was still defensively sound. Given how bad Brady is at defense, Pinto would help cover any defensive short comings on a line with Tkachuk and someone like Giroux, while allowing those two to take advantage of space that Brady creates and Giroux's creativity.

He scored 20 goals in his first year of pro hockey with no AHL development time. Only two other rookies scored more goals. It was the first time in his career he played over 40 games in a season. He is going to get better and quickly. Another reason that makes Debrincat redundant in this roster construction along with Norris being here for a full season. Pinto can snipe he is going to be a 30 goal guy.

 

[Boud]

Barbashev would be a great fit on the 2nd line.

If we can land him I'd love to see Debrincat traded for a legitimately good 3rd liner and a bit more. Someone like Pageau or Bjorkstrand.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Barbashev - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Bjorkstrand
Joseph - Kastelic - Hathaway

Chabot - Sanderson
Chychrun - Zub
Brannstrom - JBD

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

IMO if DBC doesn’t extend in Ottawa it won’t be because of money, it will be for family reasons - e.g. Johnny Goudreau. If that turns out to be true, he would consider: Detroit, Chicago, Columbus, Pittsburg or St. Louis. Out of those 5 teams, which is the most likely trade partner and what could we get in return.

Detroit and Chicago probably. Pittsburgh is a maybe, but they seem to be declining so idk. I don't see Columbus wanting to trade assets for DBC when they have a lot of wingers already, but we'll see. I can definitely see Seattle on that list. Having a gamebreaking sniper would be huge for them.