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[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Is the Huberdeau playoff choker based on just last year?

In 2020-21, he scored 10 points in 6 playoff games.

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I've honestly never even really seen that said anywhere before that comment, so I don't think it's a reputation thing that's any sort of widely held assumption.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I've honestly never even really seen that said anywhere before that comment, so I don't think it's a reputation thing that's any sort of widely held assumption.

Could be the recency effect at work.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Could be the recency effect at work.

I suspect to a certain extent he's being held against Tkachuk breaking out this year ya.

I still like that trade for the Flames as a pretty damn good return for a guy forcing his way out and picking his destination that he'll sign with.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I've honestly never even really seen that said anywhere before that comment, so I don't think it's a reputation thing that's any sort of widely held assumption.

Totally reasonable take, it was simply my opinion/speculation for sure.

I don't think I called him a choker though, I said he was a ghost in the playoffs last year. That’s not really the same thing. An exaggeration on my part perhaps, but he wasn’t very effective compared to his regular season performance and it was decision time.

I think given that he was almost 30, was due a new expensive long term deal, and had a relatively poor showing in the post season when the team was at its absolute best in years kind of provided a sober moment Of reflection going forward.

It was the perfect opportunity to swap some finesse for grit without compromising much in terms of points.

I personally don’t like the make up of Calgary and think they got caught trying to keep a window open in a shitty situation. It’s already on record that the ownership refused the idea of a rebuild, so what’s a GM to do but try and keep the music going. Those contracts are scary.

The leafs are in a similar spot where it’s the exact time to make a decision on their team going forward. Will they also make a big move? Or will they continue to sink or swim with their ‘core 4’? So far rumours point to letting it ride and seeing what a new GM can add. I’m sceptical because I feel like Dubas actually added some solid support pieces.

 

[saskriders]

Yup. You're a playoff choker until you aren't. Way too much gets made of it in team sports imo. Good for him that he's figured it out and found a good situation. I don't see any reason the same couldn't happen for Huberdeau, they're just going to impact the game in very different ways.

He had 10 points in 12 games last year. Even though he wasn't as good as this playoff I don't think you can call him a choker.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Totally reasonable take, it was simply my opinion/speculation for sure.

I don't think I called him a choker though, I said he was a ghost in the playoffs last year. That’s not really the same thing. An exaggeration on my part perhaps, but he wasn’t very effective compared to his regular season performance and it was decision time.

I think given that he was almost 30, was due a new expensive long term deal, and had a relatively poor showing in the post season when the team was at its absolute best in years kind of provided a sober moment Of reflection going forward.

It was the perfect opportunity to swap some finesse for grit without compromising much in terms of points.

I personally don’t like the make up of Calgary and think they got caught trying to keep a window open in a shitty situation. It’s already on record that the ownership refused the idea of a rebuild, so what’s a GM to do but try and keep the music going. Those contracts are scary.

The leafs are in a similar spot where it’s the exact time to make a decision on their team going forward. Will they also make a big move? Or will they continue to sink or swim with their ‘core 4’? So far rumours point to letting it ride and seeing what a new GM can add. I’m sceptical because I feel like Dubas actually added some solid support pieces.

Ya I think that's fair. Florida made out pretty well with it obviously and got the best player in the deal. I didn't think Tkachuk was going to be able to live up to it, but he certainly has.

The thing I do like about Calgary's makeup is their contract situation and salaries. Almost all of their pieces are paid accordingly and without too much term. The ones that do have term in Huberdeau, Weegar & Kadri are obviously staying, but they still bring a lot for now and I think they're in a great position to pivot and re-tool on the fly. They have a few young guys like Pelletier and Wolf pushing as well as guys like Mangiapane and Dube that keep getting better.

Guys like Backlund, Tanev, Toffoli, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Andersson & Zadorov all earn their deals imo and are all positive, movable for assets as opposed to having guys with question marks that aren't earning their deals or have lingering injury concerns.

He had 10 points in 12 games last year. Even though he wasn't as good as this playoff I don't think you can call him a choker.

Ya I meant that in the general sense of how players get labeled until circumstances align and tell a different story, not that Matt was a "choker" in Calgary. I watched all those games and he was a let down and not a force like we're seeing now, but no, definitely not a choker in the sense of like what we've seen out of Toronto's stars.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Ya I think that's fair. Florida made out pretty well with it obviously and got the best player in the deal. I didn't think Tkachuk was going to be able to live up to it, but he certainly has.

The thing I do like about Calgary's makeup is their contract situation and salaries. Almost all of their pieces are paid accordingly and without too much term. The ones that do have term in Huberdeau, Weegar & Kadri are obviously staying, but they still bring a lot for now and I think they're in a great position to pivot and re-tool on the fly. They have a few young guys like Pelletier and Wolf pushing as well as guys like Mangiapane and Dube that keep getting better.

Guys like Backlund, Tanev, Toffoli, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Hanifin, Andersson & Zadorov all earn their deals imo and are all positive, movable for assets as opposed to having guys with question marks that aren't earning their deals or have lingering injury concerns.

Ya I meant that in the general sense of how players get labeled until circumstances align and tell a different story, not that Matt was a "choker" in Calgary. I watched all those games and he was a let down and not a force like we're seeing now, but no, definitely not a choker in the sense of like what we've seen out of Toronto's stars.

The TO 4 have a had a few kicks at the can now, and this year they had the best supporting cast they have had so far I’d say.

One issue would be that guys like Thronton, Marleau, and Spezza brought in as star vets, never actually won anything themselves…

 

[Tuna99]

I think Joseph has more value than that even with last season.

Contract makes his value really low but makes him really rich

 

[R2010]

I think I spent too much time paying attention to the leafs Narrative on Andersen on not being a 'playoff performer'. Went and looked at his playoff stats and they're pretty damn good. Been playing great this playoffs.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Jesper fast has had a good year, good defensively, lots of PK minutes. Maybe a few less points than we'd want for a 3rd liner but wouldn't be a bad option.

 

[GoSenatorsGo]

Jesper fast has had a good year, good defensively, lots of PK minutes. Maybe a few less points than we'd want for a 3rd liner but wouldn't be a bad option.

I’m a fan.. I also would look at bringing back Noesen and White on the cheap for 3rd and 4th line roles

 

[JD1]

I think I spent too much time paying attention to the leafs Narrative on Andersen on not being a 'playoff performer'. Went and looked at his playoff stats and they're pretty damn good. Been playing great this playoffs.

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Those are great numbers actually

Without looking them up myself, ya I was buying the narrative too

 

[Senovision]

It would be nice to add a player to the Sens roster that has had winning playoff success.
Corey Perry, Alex Killorn, Ryan O'reilly? Just a few names that could be available this summer.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Matthew was also looking to get PAID. I highly doubt he would have re-signed here unless we offered around league max which would have destroyed the chemistry.

Calgary looked like they made off like bandits but fast forward a year and it’s the inverse.

he’s one of the best players in the NHL making 9.5. his peers will all soon be making 11+

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The TO 4 have a had a few kicks at the can now, and this year they had the best supporting cast they have had so far I’d say.

One issue would be that guys like Thronton, Marleau, and Spezza brought in as star vets, never actually won anything themselves…

I'm confoooosed. Did you mean to reply to that post or was this meant for another comment?

 

[scout20]

Sign Bertuzzi, Wood

 

[Ice-Tray]

I'm confoooosed. Did you mean to reply to that post or was this meant for another comment?

Lol I dunno, I was just shootin the shit with you…

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Lol I dunno, I was just shootin the shit with you…

Haha fair enough, just moved to Toronto and I thought maybe it wasn't meant for my comment. They have definitely had enough kicks at the can. Change is definitely needed there and as a fan, I don't know that I could take that ride again if they just ran it back. Might be time to check out lol.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Haha fair enough, just moved to Toronto and I thought maybe it wasn't meant for my comment. They have definitely had enough kicks at the can. Change is definitely needed there and as a fan, I don't know that I could take that ride again if they just ran it back. Might be time to check out lol.

It’s why I loved the MT trade for Florida, you have to decide early if you have the playoff make up to win it all and make the hard decisions.

Barkov is a worst a defensive stalwart and so you keep him, and trade the finesse guy before licking your team to him till the end.

It’s balsy to make that move early, but the pay off can be huge. Boston trading Thornton was a poor trade return-wise, but they just didn’t think they had a winner with him and pulled the trigger.

As an aside it’s why I am thoroughly enjoying our rebuild. PD and company have committed to building a playoff team as their mold. Focus on chemistry, grit, character, and relentless pressure as the style of play. It’s not always the best way to win the regular season contests, but is absolutely geared towards the way the game is played in the playoffs.

Unlike EM wanting to simply make the playoffs with the cheapest team possible, and see what happens, this rebuild Is looking to make the playoffs and have a team that shines there. We’ll see how it goes, but I like the focus changing from riding a regular season team to the playoffs, to riding a playoff team through the regular season.

As an idea, I like it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It’s why I loved the MT trade for Florida, you have to decide early if you have the playoff make up to win it all and make the hard decisions.

Barkov is a worst a defensive stalwart and so you keep him, and trade the finesse guy before licking your team to him till the end.

It’s balsy to make that move early, but the pay off can be huge. Boston trading Thornton was a poor trade return-wise, but they just didn’t think they had a winner with him and pulled the trigger.

As an aside it’s why I am thoroughly enjoying our rebuild. PD and company have committed to building a playoff team as their mold. Focus on chemistry, grit, character, and relentless pressure as the style of play. It’s not always the best way to win the regular season contests, but is absolutely geared towards the way the game is played in the playoffs.

Unlike EM wanting to simply make the playoffs with the cheapest team possible, and see what happens, this rebuild Is looking to make the playoffs and have a team that shines there. We’ll see how it goes, but I like the focus changing from riding a regular season team to the playoffs, to riding a playoff team through the regular season.

As an idea, I like it.

Yes, I can appreciate the boldness of the decision from Panthers management. If you don't think what you have works, try something else, I'm a big believer in that. And they had a solid plan with the re-signing playing in to it. It wasn't like bringing in a guy and hoping to sell him on the team sort of thing, it was an identification of a specific player they wanted, and paying the steep price without worry because of the contracts required to those going out the door.

I think at the time it seemed like they may have gutted a bit too much with deadline moves and other trades, then that big one, but they were obviously much deeper organizationally than I knew and have been just fine.

I agree about EM. I hated that hope and a prayer philosophy with seemingly hard budgets year on year. I would have preferred more of an identification of specific years and sort of going for it while trying to scrimp on seasons you can see are going nowhere. Easier said than done, but imo you weren't winning anything rolling out a squad with little to none of that type of flexibility and glaring holes you can't fill every year that you just know are going to be too much of an obstacle to overcome.

 

[Loach]

Yes, I can appreciate the boldness of the decision from Panthers management. If you don't think what you have works, try something else, I'm a big believer in that. And they had a solid plan with the re-signing playing in to it. It wasn't like bringing in a guy and hoping to sell him on the team sort of thing, it was an identification of a specific player they wanted, and paying the steep price without worry because of the contracts required to those going out the door.

I think at the time it seemed like they may have gutted a bit too much with deadline moves and other trades, then that big one, but they were obviously much deeper organizationally than I knew and have been just fine.

I agree about EM. I hated that hope and a prayer philosophy with seemingly hard budgets year on year. I would have preferred more of an identification of specific years and sort of going for it while trying to scrimp on seasons you can see are going nowhere. Easier said than done, but imo you weren't winning anything rolling out a squad with little to none of that type of flexibility and glaring holes you can't fill every year that you just know are going to be too much of an obstacle to overcome.

...and that's how Dorion is doing the rebuild. Lol.

 

[Que]

he’s one of the best players in the NHL making 9.5. his peers will all soon be making 11+

He might win the Hart trophy - I’d vote for him at this point. His contract is structured in all bonus money in a state with no income tax. I don’t know how we could have competed with that.

I have been thinking of one trade idea if Cat decides to jet. Boone Jenner and Andrew Peeke for Brinsky (and maybe Branny).

Gives the Sens a middle six winger with DJ connections and a RD with size and sound defensive play.

Then maybe target Kevin Hayes from Philly. I was thinking Gadreau from Minny as he took some bad penalties during the playoffs but they still love him.

Edit: I’ve read a few times on capfriendly Necas from Carolina. I refuse to believe Carolina would trade him (plus) for DeBrincat.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He might win the Hart trophy - I’d vote for him at this point. His contract is structured in all bonus money in a state with no income tax. I don’t know how we could have competed with that.

I have been thinking of one trade idea if Cat decides to jet. Boone Jenner and Andrew Peeke for Brinsky (and maybe Branny).

Gives the Sens a middle six winger with DJ connections and a RD with size and sound defensive play.

Then maybe target Kevin Hayes from Philly. I was thinking Gadreau from Minny as he took some bad penalties during the playoffs but they still love him.

Edit: I’ve read a few times on capfriendly Necas from Carolina. I refuse to believe Carolina would trade him (plus) for DeBrincat.

Stay away from Hayes

 

[Que]

Stay away from Hayes

Bad contract, injury concerns, locker room worries? Or does he just not play good hockey anymore? Haha.

 

[Golden_Jet]

3 out of 4 yes
No idea what he’s like in dressing room