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BonHoonLayneCornell

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I'm surprised he didn't mention Gaudreau. Hard to lose a guy who had 115pts and not expect a pretty big drop and scoring and in the standings.
Conroy had some interesting comments about Gudreau yesterday and called it a learning lesson. Truly thought he would stay, but said he wouldn't allow it to get to that point with a star player based on how it worked out with Johnny leaving.
 

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I'm surprised he didn't mention Gaudreau. Hard to lose a guy who had 115pts and not expect a pretty big drop and scoring and in the standings.

He loves Johnny but he is more a Chucky guy. That situation was handled so poorly, and he should likely still be a flame but if that happens they don’t have the cap to land Weegar. (He loves Weegs)
 

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That whole team hated Sutter. Kids these days… Huby will be fine, just needs a Sutter free environment haha. Weegs was solid all season but definitely came on late.

Vladar was pretty awesome despite the numbers and Markky had a kid half way though the year and once that little one popped out he was back in form.

They’ll be fine under Conroy/Nonis and hopefully Gallant. My buddy has been pining for Gallant for like three seasons as he believes he’s the guy to get it done in Calgary so we’ll see how it all goes.

I’m hoping for the best.
Yes, good old Sutter. I was always a big fan of him, especially his interviews lol, but his time appears to have passed with the way these kids operate.

I agree. I'm excited to see what Calgary does. They're my 2nd team of interest atm. This assumption that they need to tear down and scorched earth rebuild is absurd imo.
 

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Yes, good old Sutter. I was always a big fan of him, especially his interviews lol, but his time appears to have passed with the way these kids operate.

I agree. I'm excited to see what Calgary does. They're my 2nd team of interest atm. This assumption that they need to tear down and scorched earth rebuild is absurd imo.
I don't think it's just "kids" who don't like to put up with blatant disrespect. Nazem Kadri isn't a "kid". Sutter is a retread dinosaur that won't coach again in the league. I'm happy that players have finally gained the courage to speak out against nonsense.
 

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I don't think it's just "kids" who don't like to put up with blatant disrespect. Nazem Kadri isn't a "kid". Sutter is a retread dinosaur that won't coach again in the league. I'm happy that players have finally gained the courage to speak out against nonsense.
Well, that's hard for me to say without being in the room. I was under the impression it was as much about his defense first coaching systems the players didn't like as much as it was about him. Is he a hard ass defense first coach or bordering on abusive like some coaches that have been exiled? If it's the latter, ya, get out, enough of that macho nonsense.

I still loved his interviews either way. Just such a curmudgeon that it was comical a lot of the time.
 

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Well, that's hard for me to say without being in the room. I was under the impression it was as much about his defense first coaching systems the players didn't like as much as it was about him. Is he a hard ass defense first coach or bordering on abusive like some coaches that have been exiled? If it's the latter, ya, get out, enough of that macho nonsense.

I still loved his interviews either way. Just such a curmudgeon that it was comical a lot of the time.
I seem to remember Phaneuf saying something along the line of ..You can only focus on the point of a needle for so long before it gets to you...when he left Calgary. I might have the wrong player though.
 

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How much? His sample size is very small.

Career .913 SV% goalie through 100 NHL games, most of them playing on terrible Yotes/Sharks teams.

Good AHL and WHL numbers too. Hasn't had a sub .900 SV% season in the last decade at any level.

He's been underrated for awhile, but after this playoff run he may get a dumb contract.
 

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I seem to remember Phaneuf saying something along the line of ..You can only focus on the point of a needle for so long before it gets to you...when he left Calgary. I might have the wrong player though.

Damn that's pretty deep. Dion was a philosopher.
 

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I seem to remember Phaneuf saying something along the line of ..You can only focus on the point of a needle for so long before it gets to you...when he left Calgary. I might have the wrong player though.
Seems believable with Sutter. I'm sure it's like many coaches in that when the strategy bears out positive results, guys are more patient, but when things go sideways, it just fuels the drama I'm sure.
 

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Good AHL and WHL numbers too. Hasn't had a sub .900 SV% season in the last decade at any level.

He's been underrated for awhile, but after this playoff run he may get a dumb contract.
Then no.

I would need to see more of a sample size before handing out a significant contract. Burnt enough times.
 

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Well, that's hard for me to say without being in the room. I was under the impression it was as much about his defense first coaching systems the players didn't like as much as it was about him. Is he a hard ass defense first coach or bordering on abusive like some coaches that have been exiled? If it's the latter, ya, get out, enough of that macho nonsense.

I still loved his interviews either way. Just such a curmudgeon that it was comical a lot of the time.
His interview about Pelletier was unacceptable, and flat out weird.
 

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Career .913 SV% goalie through 100 NHL games, most of them playing on terrible Yotes/Sharks teams.

Good AHL and WHL numbers too. Hasn't had a sub .900 SV% season in the last decade at any level.

He's been underrated for awhile, but after this playoff run he may get a dumb contract.
If he's willing to accept a 1 year $2 million deal to earn his big UFA payday, sure.

I think some other teams might overpay for him though if he has a good cup finals
 

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That was Huberdeau's worst season pretty much, and it came under his only season with Sutter. I'm optimistic he can bounce back and at least be worth the front half of the big deal. And Weegar settled in late I thought. A bit more production offensively and he should be fine.

Markstrom and Vladar were also unspectacular, with .892 and .895 save percentage's. Markstrom's dropped 30 points year to year.

If all those guys can bring more, they have the assets to do more of a re-tool than needing to tear it down imo.
Hub was available because he was a ghost in the playoffs, and Florida was trying to move from regular season darlings but playoff chokers to cup contenders.

They made a hard choice, which has worked out well so far. I don’t see Calgary as being winners as they didn’t really add any playoff stalwarts.

The leafs are in a similar boat right now where they really need to trade out the tin men while their values are high and they don’t have trade protection, but they won’t.

I think Zito did a sneaky great thing for his squad, even with them over performing as a group in their first year together.

If folks are willing to give DBC a pass for a down year after being traded to a new team I'm not sure how you don't do the same for Huberdeau.

Was one of the best players in the league last year.
Soft playoffs is the issue, not regular season play.
 

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Career .913 SV% goalie through 100 NHL games, most of them playing on terrible Yotes/Sharks teams.

Good AHL and WHL numbers too. Hasn't had a sub .900 SV% season in the last decade at any level.

He's been underrated for awhile, but after this playoff run he may get a dumb contract.
As much as everyone wants to hate on Biz he has been pumping his tires for a while. He was saying he was the full package in Arizona but no one really watches them. I think he is a good target, along with Freddy Andersen and Varlamov. Sens really need to move Debrincat for some cap flexibility and retaining some picks they have none. Debrincats money could land them a goalie and Barbashev. Big upgrade overall for the team.

If he's willing to accept a 1 year $2 million deal to earn his big UFA payday, sure.

I think some other teams might overpay for him though if he has a good cup finals
Why would he sign that? He is going to get multiple years from someone.

Then no.

I would need to see more of a sample size before handing out a significant contract. Burnt enough times.
A capable pro scout that can evaluate his movement, tendencies etc can also be enough.
 

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Hub was available because he was a ghost in the playoffs, and Florida was trying to move from regular season darlings but playoff chokers to cup contenders.

They made a hard choice, which has worked out well so far. I don’t see Calgary as being winners as they didn’t really add any playoff stalwarts.

The leafs are in a similar boat right now where they really need to trade out the tin men while their values are high and they don’t have trade protection, but they won’t.

I think Zito did a sneaky great thing for his squad, even with them over performing as a group in their first year together.


Soft playoffs is the issue, not regular season play.
He's not that kind of player, no doubt, he's a finesse league leading assist type player. You can still win with players like that with the right formula. Like Weegar, he was made available mostly because of contract pinch points and the massive contract that was required. They saw a Unicorn holding out elsewhere that was made available that they'd rather invest in and could flip for.

This was the Panther's we're talking about and they only made it in 4 of his 10 seasons there. His and Tkachuk's playoff production is similar before this year with basically a cup of coffee and most Flames fans agree that Tkachuk never hit the level in the playoffs that we're seeing now and was a disappointment in that regard. It's great that Matt has taken off in Florida, but Huberdeau shouldn't be held up against a unicorn type talent that's extremely rare and most teams don't have. Daniel Alfredsson was considered a playoff choker a lot of his career too, but he changed that, so it's in Hubs hands now to put up or shut up. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

I think they have more than enough jam around him to get him going too. They have a gritty team, especially on D and have lots of guys with value to shuffle the deck as Conroy said will happen. We shall see what they do and how it turns out.
 
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This was the Panther's we're talking about and they only made it in 4 of his 10 seasons there. His and Tkachuk's playoff production is similar before this year with basically a cup of coffee and most Flames fans agree that Tkachuk never hit the level in the playoffs that we're seeing now and was a disappointment in that regard.
I agree. Prior to this season, MTkachuk has absolutely been a playoff choker along with Gaudreau and the rest of the Flames. Prior to this year, he had 15 points in 27 playoff games. He's more than doubled that total. Florida most definitely took a gamble when acquiring Tkachuk because his trajectory and Huberdeau's trajectory in the playoffs was the same, they both couldn't perform when it mattered
 

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I've been expecting them to do this since before the trade deadline, it's in everyone's best interest, they just need to figure it out
The cynic in me thinks that because Jeremy Jacob's team is in the deepest cap do do of them all, well then the league's going to have to do something.

But ya, an extra 1-2 M could really help us.
 

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I agree. Prior to this season, MTkachuk has absolutely been a playoff choker along with Gaudreau and the rest of the Flames. Prior to this year, he had 15 points in 27 playoff games. He's more than doubled that total. Florida most definitely took a gamble when acquiring Tkachuk because his trajectory and Huberdeau's trajectory in the playoffs was the same, they both couldn't perform when it mattered
Yup. You're a playoff choker until you aren't. Way too much gets made of it in team sports imo. Good for him that he's figured it out and found a good situation. I don't see any reason the same couldn't happen for Huberdeau, they're just going to impact the game in very different ways.
 

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Yup. You're a playoff choker until you aren't. Way too much gets made of it in team sports imo. Good for him that he's figured it out and found a good situation. I don't see any reason the same couldn't happen for Huberdeau, they're just going to impact the game in very different ways.
Is this the recency effect at work. Are people saying Huberdeau is a playoff choker based on just last year?

In 2020-21, he scored 10 points in 6 playoff games.

 
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