Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[Samsquanch]

I agree. It's a weird, minority opinion. Oh well.

so if its okay with you then chief, Im going to go back to cutting up those opinions.

 

[Big Muddy]

so if its okay with you then chief, Im going to go back to cutting up those opinions.

Whatever turns your crank chief. Good luck Mr. Quixote.

 

[Micklebot]

Several teams were using their back-up (3rd & 4th string)

Only 11 teams used 4 or more goalies in the reg season, average number of pts for a team using 4 or more 84.6 average for teams playing 3 or less goalies is 95 pts

Toronto, Vegas and Colorado are a bit of an outlier, they each used 5 goalies but put up ~110 pts each, Colorado being unique in that their starter was healthy and only their backups were rotating.

Goalie health is a big deal, going 7 deep is not normal, or something many teams would overcome.

 

[Senovision]

Tkachuk Stutzle Batherson
Crouse Norris Giroux
Greig. Schmaltz Kubalik
Kelly Kasty Watson/ Gauthier/ Sokolov
Sanderson R. Andersson
Chychrun. Zub
Kleven JBD Hamonic
Swayman Forsberg

Trade Chabot to Calgary for R. Andersson
Trade DeBrincat to Detroit for Kubalik
Simon Edvinnson ( highly touted defense prospect) maybe Rasmussen.
Trade Pinto Formenton Joseph and Branny to Arizona for Crouse and Schmaltz

 

[BondraTime]

Tkachuk Stutzle Batherson
Crouse Norris Giroux
Greig. Schmaltz Kubalik
Kelly Kasty Watson/ Gauthier/ Sokolov
Sanderson R. Andersson
Chychrun. Zub
Kleven JBD Hamonic
Swayman Forsberg

Trade Chabot to Calgary for R. Andersson
Trade DeBrincat to Detroit for Kubalik
Simon Edvinnson ( highly touted defense prospect) maybe Rasmussen.
Trade Pinto Formenton Joseph and Branny to Arizona for Crouse and Schmaltz

They wouldn't trade Edvinsson to us for DBC + 1st +

 

[Sens in Process]

I have always liked Kubalik and especially like him 2.5m for next season. Provided Lafreniere or some young player like him are not available at the draft, something around Kubalik and the 18th pick from Detroit would be good. With his off year and UFA status in 2024-2025, we are most likely not going get great value in return, but I would settle for this type of good.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Totally, it was a short term focused move and that's why I respect it. This team needed something, ANYTHING and the fanbase was done waiting. So PD made a move to sell hope with the upside of it being a catalyst for accelerating our path. How can we fault him for that?

We all need to rewind to how desperate this team was to send the right signals post EM. That's what ADC was, he was one part swing for the fences, one part symbolic gesture to the fanbase.

It cost us a 7th, which of course, very predictably people are clamouring about right now (before we know his fate I might add..) and that to me is really narrow sighted. Had he done nothing you can bet fans would have been crucifying him for the opposite. "We were a second liner away from being a playoff team..."

People are so quick to analyze things in a vacuum. We can all agree that this team desperately needed a pick me up last year. ADC was that. Had we made the playoffs, which we should have barring goaltending and a Norris injury, I don't think we would be having this conversation. We would be optimistic about a run next year with ADC resigned at his QO (which ironically is a worse situation.)

Instead, the plan didn't quite work out and predictably the revisionists among us who always seem to have the right answer are out in droves.

I'll take the GM that makes the odd gutsy move to improve the team and if it backfires I'm not going to hold him to the coals.

Agreed. One of the things I liked the least about Muckler and Murray was the inability to make big trades when we needed them.

Always little trades and signings, never the big deals or big fish that a team needs once and a while.

I respect that PD enjoys that aspect of the job and isn’t afraid to make a splash.

I’m big on signing DBC, I think he cements a top four that badly needs cement.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Would Dorion even be willing to trade DeBrincat in the division to a team that will be trying to compete for the same wildcard spots as us?

I'm skeptical, especially if we'll be getting a much worse return than we paid to get him. Detroit would probably need to offer significantly more than the alternatives to make it worth it.

While I still think the most likely scenario is keeping DeBrincat for a year on his 9M QO (especially if Toronto buys out Murray and we get another 1.3M in cap space), if we trade him I think there's a decent chance Dorion takes a worse return to deal him to a team like CAR/ANA/NSH/etc... that isn't in direct competition with us.

 

[GCK]

Because people assumed they were going to sign him. No one makes that trade for a rental. They also didn't have giroux yet.

The Debrincat trade was dumb. But you know as well as I do Giroux was coming and they knew the contract before getting Debrincat. The 12M and assets Dorion used to pay Debrincat and Talbot should have been used far more judiciously. We could have kept Brown and added some quality depth.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If we don't get much salary back from the Cat deal and Leafs buy out Murray, we should probably go hard at Adin Hill or Tristian Jarry in July.

Varlamov could be a chepaer (but reliable) option as well.

 

[Mingus Dew]

The Debrincat trade was dumb. But you know as well as I do Giroux was coming and they knew the contract before getting Debrincat. The 12M and assets Dorion used to pay Debrincat and Talbot should have been used far more judiciously. We could have kept Brown and added some quality depth.

Dorion had no clue whether he could sign DBC when he made that trade lol. A bunch of people said as much and recognized it for the short term gamble that it was.

It was a fun trade and the whole Summer of Pierre thing was kind of enjoyable but it wasn't some calculated move to get a core piece for the long run.

Dorion was trying to save his job. The Chychrun trade, despite what folks may think of the value, was the exact same thing (better in the sense that Chychrun is tied up for longer).

 

[Cosmix]

Never made sense even with an extension for where the team was if it was signing Giroux too.

If Debrincat agreed to an extension before the trade at $8M AAV for a longer term such as 5 to 8 years, then it would have been a good trade. If Debrincat does not sign a long term deal and we cannot trade Debrincat for equivalent value, then it will have been a another bad Dorion trade.

 

[Que]

48 days until the draft…

 

[Masked]

Agreed. One of the things I liked the least about Muckler and Murray was the inability to make big trades when we needed them.

Always little trades and signings, never the big deals or big fish that a team needs once and a while.

I respect that PD enjoys that aspect of the job and isn’t afraid to make a splash.

I’m big on signing DBC, I think he cements a top four that badly needs cement.

Like Hossa and deVries for Heatley? Or Havlat for middling players? To be fair to Muckler, he didn't have the cap space to make big trades.

Or maybe Bobby Ryan for Silfverberg+? Or Meszaros for Kuba? Or Anderson for Elliott? Or Foligno for Methot? Or Heatley for Michalek+? Are those Murray trades not big enough?

Assen no yo!

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Karlsson a Lindsey finalist and 3xNorris winner

Chabot never performed at an elite level at the NHL

DBC a secondary offensive player

all with similar cap hits...

 

[bicboi64]

Dorion had no clue whether he could sign DBC when he made that trade lol. A bunch of people said as much and recognized it for the short term gamble that it was.

It was a fun trade and the whole Summer of Pierre thing was kind of enjoyable but it wasn't some calculated move to get a core piece for the long run.

Dorion was trying to save his job. The Chychrun trade, despite what folks may think of the value, was the exact same thing (better in the sense that Chychrun is tied up for longer).

I think that's the main point of critiquing Dorion for getting Cat, but not having an extension.

Teams that are still rebuilding shouldn't be trading a top 10 first rounder unless you're getting a core piece. Cat could still be a core piece, but he isn't until we have an extension. Even if Cat extends, allocating so much capspace on the top 6 is open to legitimate critique considering how we've seen that strategy not work with our lovely provincial rivals/chokers.

At least Chychrun has 2 years of major savings while providing us with depth at a position where we're particularly weak.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Like Hossa and deVries for Heatley? Or Havlat for middling players? To be fair to Muckler, he didn't have the cap space to make big trades.

Or maybe Bobby Ryan for Silfverberg+? Or Meszaros for Kuba? Or Anderson for Elliott? Or Foligno for Methot? Or Heatley for Michalek+? Are those Murray trades not big enough?

Assen no yo!

The only trades of comparable value there were Hossa for heater, and B Ryan.

No, those trades weren’t nearly big enough for comparison. Foligno? Seriously?

Elliot? Mezaros?

Come on man.

 

[Cosmix]

48 days until the draft…

Not much to look forward to nor hope for at the draft in June without our #1 draft pick.

 

[Cosmix]

Agreed. One of the things I liked the least about Muckler and Murray was the inability to make big trades when we needed them.

Always little trades and signings, never the big deals or big fish that a team needs once and a while.

I respect that PD enjoys that aspect of the job and isn’t afraid to make a splash.

I’m big on signing DBC, I think he cements a top four that badly needs cement.

I want to sign Debrincat too. He is an exciting offensive player who can shoot, shoots quickly and can score. We need that to be successful.

 

[bicboi64]

The only trades of comparable value there were Hossa for heater, and B Ryan.

No, those trades weren’t nearly big enough for comparison. Foligno? Seriously?

Elliot? Mezaros?

Come on man.

Heatley was the 3rd most productive goal scorer in the league during his tenure with us when we moved him.

Meszaros was an RFA young defender who was a #3 on a deep defense. How often do you see RFA defenders that play 21+ minutes a game get traded?

These are absolutely big trades by any metric.

 

[Masked]

The only trades of comparable value there were Hossa for heater, and B Ryan.

No, those trades weren’t nearly big enough for comparison. Foligno? Seriously?

Elliot? Mezaros?

Come on man.

None of Pierre's trades, outside of Karlsson, are likely to have as big an impact on the organization as Murray trading Elliott.

Assen na yo!

 

[BankStreetParade]

LOL. There's no lack of understanding when it comes to a simple concept (intent versus result). GMs get paid to weigh the risks and make the correct decisions and pick the best options or alternatives. I can make a post and point without denigrating the other poster I'm having a discussion with.

This is just going in circles now & further discussion is pointless. Cheers.

Seems to be going in circles around you, that's for sure.

 

[Neil Patrick Harris]

Heatley was the 3rd most productive goal scorer in the league during his tenure with us when we moved him.

Meszaros was an RFA young defender who was a #3 on a deep defense. How often do you see RFA defenders that play 21+ minutes a game get traded?

These are absolutely big trades by any metric.

In both of those deals the Sens were coming from a position of weakness. Heatley had demanded a trade and negotiations with Meszaros were dead in the water. Making trades because you're trying to get value back for unusable assets is not nearly the same as swinging for the fences to address a team need.

None of Pierre's trades, outside of Karlsson, are likely to have as big an impact on the organization as Murray trading Elliott.

Assen na yo!

Sure, but let's not pretend that is how the Andy trade was thought of at the time. It was an underperforming goalie for an underperforming goalie - I seem to recall most Sens fans hoping that Andy could provide some stability until Lehner was ready to take the reigns. It wasn't anticipated that he'd be locking the starter position down for a decade.

 

[Micklebot]

I don't think you can discount the business side value brought by trading for DeBrincat, that trade probably sold a lot of season tickets.

I'm happy with the trade if we can sign him for <8.

If we have to trade him, I'll be happy if we can get a mid first and Middle 6 forward,

 

[Gil Gunderson]

It has to be a sign and trade to wherever he goes. Doesnt make sense otherwise.

It wasn't a sign and trade when we got him (they could have made a handshake deal to sign him a week after).