I respect your evaluations but I’ve got Norris substantially better than a 30-30 guy, especially with the way the league is today. I see him much better than Turris.
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Micklebot
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That was always what I expected from him, but with a bit of a bigger frame.
That said, I always saw Turris as a low end #1 as opposed to very solid #2, semantics I guess.
I see Norris being much better than Turris, both offensively and defensively. Norris is a guy who averages 35-40 goals a year, a lot on the PP, as a 2-way #1C (#2 behind Süperstar on this team deep with Pinto as their #3C). He will lose some even-strength time, but will continue to average 70+ point seasons.
Turris is a #2C who was a #1C by default. He did an admirable job, good enough to contribute in the 2017 run (when Bobby Ryan also came alive for his last hurrah).
I have a feeling those days are coming for the Sens starting next season!
Bondra was talking about Norris as a 30/30 guy (by today's standard).
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According to a lot of people, a third of the leagues #1 centers are only #1 centers by default. The bar is set too high by some imo.
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He already surpassed that last year, granted playing in a #2 spot will make it tougher to hit, but if he thinks Norris is a 30/30 guy today, he's essentially saying he's less productive than Turris playing behind Spezza when era adjusted.
Perhaps there is a bit of truth to that, the league is super saturated compared to yesteryears. When Turris was playing for the Sens, I always thought he was a #1C by default, even a team like Buffalo had Ryan O'Reilly as their #2. Not trying to diminish Turris' contribution as Sens' #1, but I think Norris is already a better player. Definitely a superior goal scorer.
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I'm worried about Norris. He's a great player, but his bread and butter is his shot. His ability to score from a distance propels him from a second-line center to a first-line player, so if his injuries affect his shooting, it could be painful for his $8M salary.
However, he's young, a great athlete, and hardworking, so hopefully, it's nothing serious.
However, he's young, a great athlete, and hardworking, so hopefully, it's nothing serious.
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Stutzle is a super star 1C in the making if not already. Stutzle is bordering on a being an elite play driver. Norris is a very good shoot first 2-way top 6 C that can benefit from a line driver. Batherson played that role in 21-22. These guys are going to be a really good 1-2 punch who have been pretty great in their short careers. Hopefully Norris can come back 100% with no lingering effects.
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So not to be pedantic *proceeds to be pedantic*…
Tuttis never actually scored 30
His 3 best career years for goals were 26/24/27 (after that it drops to 13/13/12 and he only ever hit 60pts once (64/58/55) then drops to 30/42/31
He had 3 decent years and outside of that really never put up many points.
His career average is 17g 28a for 45pts/82
Norris is his small sample size is 33g 25a for 58pts/82
Norris has the whole prime of his career ahead of him as well.
IMO Norris is clearly a much better player than Turris.
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30/30 was brought up by someone else, saying a 30/30 guy give or take, like Turris in his prime, I mean, if you prefer we can say 26/58 guy, 24/64 or 27/55 guy, but I don't think the specificity really adds to the conversation.
I have no problem saying Norris is a #1C and will be top 10 in C goal scoring. His game has been derailed by injuries multiple times but I had gone through his game logs last year and he rarely goes 3 games without scoring.
He is much better than our fan base gives him credit for and he will be a massive part of the reason we make the playoffs next year.
The other thing you need to consider is when Norris posted his big year in 21-22, there wasn't another line for the opposition to focus on so he saw shut down D every time the opposing coach could get them on the ice.
Next year, having Stu and Norris creates a problem for opposing coaches
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Its all part of projecting a player. Trends like when a player keeps improving are part of the projection and why he was paid like he was. It all matters when evaluating a player.
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Dreger hints on Overdrive that Lafreniere "may" become available this summer.
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Bring in Peter
Really sounds like James Dolan wants to go all in there. Lots of smoke around Quenneville, which may convince Kane to stay as well.
Perhaps you could do an ADB to Rangers (reunite him with his Chicago friends) for Lafreniere if you took Goodrow's cap hit back (although he has a 15-team NTC).
In a new situation, I think Lafreniere could still become a very effective 55-65 point 2nd line winger.
Not sure what the Rangers would want, maybe a replacement cheap young forward or prospects/picks.
Would probably ask for Pinto or Greig. Maybe with a plus depending on his value around the league.
They were rumoured to be heavily interested in Boucher before we snagged him at 10th OVR
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Hmm... Lafreniere and Goodrow for ADB seems like a pretty good option for us, I wonder what Lafreniere will cost contract wise?
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