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[GCK]

Think Norris will settle into a Turris like prime.

Not a #1C, a very solid 2nd line guy.

30-30 seasons, give or take

I respect your evaluations but I’ve got Norris substantially better than a 30-30 guy, especially with the way the league is today. I see him much better than Turris.

 

[Micklebot]

Think Norris will settle into a Turris like prime.

Not a #1C, a very solid 2nd line guy.

30-30 seasons, give or take

That was always what I expected from him, but with a bit of a bigger frame.

That said, I always saw Turris as a low end #1 as opposed to very solid #2, semantics I guess.

 

[armani]

Think Norris will settle into a Turris like prime.

Not a #1C, a very solid 2nd line guy.

30-30 seasons, give or take

I see Norris being much better than Turris, both offensively and defensively. Norris is a guy who averages 35-40 goals a year, a lot on the PP, as a 2-way #1C (#2 behind Süperstar on this team deep with Pinto as their #3C). He will lose some even-strength time, but will continue to average 70+ point seasons.

 

[Micklebot]

I respect your evaluations but I’ve got Norris substantially better than a 30-30 guy, especially with the way the league is today. I see him much better than Turris.

30/30 back when Turris did it is very different than today,

60 pts in 2014 was roughly 60th in scoring, today it's around 100. By today's standards, a 2014 30/30 guy is more like a 40/70 guy today.

 

[armani]

That was always what I expected from him, but with a bit of a bigger frame.

That said, I always saw Turris as a low end #1 as opposed to very solid #2, semantics I guess.

Turris is a #2C who was a #1C by default. He did an admirable job, good enough to contribute in the 2017 run (when Bobby Ryan also came alive for his last hurrah).

I have a feeling those days are coming for the Sens starting next season!

30/30 back when Turris did it is very different than today,

60 pts in 2014 was roughly 60th in scoring, today it's around 100. By today's standards, a 2014 30/30 guy is more like a 40/70 guy today.

Bondra was talking about Norris as a 30/30 guy (by today's standard).

 

[Micklebot]

Turris is a #2C who was a #1C by default. He did an admirable job, good enough to contribute in the 2017 run (when Bobby Ryan also came alive for his last hurrah).

I have a feeling those days are coming for the Sens starting next season!

According to a lot of people, a third of the leagues #1 centers are only #1 centers by default. The bar is set too high by some imo.

 

[Micklebot]

Bondra was talking about Norris as a 30/30 guy (by today's standard).

He already surpassed that last year, granted playing in a #2 spot will make it tougher to hit, but if he thinks Norris is a 30/30 guy today, he's essentially saying he's less productive than Turris playing behind Spezza when era adjusted.

 

[armani]

According to a lot of people, a third of the leagues #1 centers are only #1 centers by default. The bar is set too high by some imo.

Perhaps there is a bit of truth to that, the league is super saturated compared to yesteryears. When Turris was playing for the Sens, I always thought he was a #1C by default, even a team like Buffalo had Ryan O'Reilly as their #2. Not trying to diminish Turris' contribution as Sens' #1, but I think Norris is already a better player. Definitely a superior goal scorer.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I'm worried about Norris. He's a great player, but his bread and butter is his shot. His ability to score from a distance propels him from a second-line center to a first-line player, so if his injuries affect his shooting, it could be painful for his $8M salary.

However, he's young, a great athlete, and hardworking, so hopefully, it's nothing serious.

 

[JD1]

As much as I like Norris, I think Stu has surpassed him. Stu was the most defensively responsible centre on his line, back checked as much as Norris did, and is more versatile in his offensive ability. Only clear upgrade Norris has over him is his shot and FO numbers.

I think Stu is more of a 1C than Norris is, but this is a good 'problem'. Let Stu cook teams 5on5, while Norris sets up office on the PP and is an Ovie-lite threat.

Pretty sure Stu was the only centre on his line

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'm worried about Norris. He's a great player, but his bread and butter is his shot. His ability to score from a distance propels him from a second-line center to a first-line player, so if his injuries affect his shooting, it could be painful for his $8M salary.

However, he's young, a great athlete, and hardworking, so hopefully, it's nothing serious.

Same.

 

[StoicSensFan]

I'm setting my expectations low and think that we have two 50G centers in Jimmy and Josh.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Stutzle is a super star 1C in the making if not already. Stutzle is bordering on a being an elite play driver. Norris is a very good shoot first 2-way top 6 C that can benefit from a line driver. Batherson played that role in 21-22. These guys are going to be a really good 1-2 punch who have been pretty great in their short careers. Hopefully Norris can come back 100% with no lingering effects.

 

[Wondercarrot]

30/30 back when Turris did it is very different than today,

60 pts in 2014 was roughly 60th in scoring, today it's around 100. By today's standards, a 2014 30/30 guy is more like a 40/70 guy today.

So not to be pedantic *proceeds to be pedantic*…
Tuttis never actually scored 30
His 3 best career years for goals were 26/24/27 (after that it drops to 13/13/12 and he only ever hit 60pts once (64/58/55) then drops to 30/42/31

He had 3 decent years and outside of that really never put up many points.
His career average is 17g 28a for 45pts/82
Norris is his small sample size is 33g 25a for 58pts/82

Norris has the whole prime of his career ahead of him as well.
IMO Norris is clearly a much better player than Turris.

 

[Masked]

Norris has the whole prime of his career ahead of him as well.
IMO Norris is clearly a much better player than Turris.

I see Norris as a bigger stronger version of Turris.

Assen na yo!

 

[Micklebot]

So not to be pedantic *proceeds to be pedantic*…
Tuttis never actually scored 30
His 3 best career years for goals were 26/24/27 (after that it drops to 13/13/12 and he only ever hit 60pts once (64/58/55) then drops to 30/42/31

He had 3 decent years and outside of that really never put up many points.
His career average is 17g 28a for 45pts/82
Norris is his small sample size is 33g 25a for 58pts/82

Norris has the whole prime of his career ahead of him as well.
IMO Norris is clearly a much better player than Turris.

30/30 was brought up by someone else, saying a 30/30 guy give or take, like Turris in his prime, I mean, if you prefer we can say 26/58 guy, 24/64 or 27/55 guy, but I don't think the specificity really adds to the conversation.

 

[OD99]

So not to be pedantic *proceeds to be pedantic*…
Tuttis never actually scored 30
His 3 best career years for goals were 26/24/27 (after that it drops to 13/13/12 and he only ever hit 60pts once (64/58/55) then drops to 30/42/31

He had 3 decent years and outside of that really never put up many points.
His career average is 17g 28a for 45pts/82
Norris is his small sample size is 33g 25a for 58pts/82

Norris has the whole prime of his career ahead of him as well.
IMO Norris is clearly a much better player than Turris.

I have no problem saying Norris is a #1C and will be top 10 in C goal scoring. His game has been derailed by injuries multiple times but I had gone through his game logs last year and he rarely goes 3 games without scoring.

He is much better than our fan base gives him credit for and he will be a massive part of the reason we make the playoffs next year.

 

[JD1]

I have no problem saying Norris is a #1C and will be top 10 in C goal scoring. His game has been derailed by injuries multiple times but I had gone through his game logs last year and he rarely goes 3 games without scoring.

He is much better than our fan base gives him credit for and he will be a massive part of the reason we make the playoffs next year.

The other thing you need to consider is when Norris posted his big year in 21-22, there wasn't another line for the opposition to focus on so he saw shut down D every time the opposing coach could get them on the ice.

Next year, having Stu and Norris creates a problem for opposing coaches

 

[bert]

His draft position and production outside of the NHL means nothing at this point. He’s getting paid $8M now on a full length contract.

Time will tell if he’ll continue to progress and develop his game.

Its all part of projecting a player. Trends like when a player keeps improving are part of the projection and why he was paid like he was. It all matters when evaluating a player.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Dreger hints on Overdrive that Lafreniere "may" become available this summer.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Dreger hints on Overdrive that Lafreniere "may" become available this summer.

Could be a reasonable flyer option if DeBrincat walks.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Dreger hints on Overdrive that Lafreniere "may" become available this summer.

That would be nuts, why not see how he does under a new coach first?

 

[DaveMatthew]

Could be a reasonable flyer option if DeBrincat walks.

Really sounds like James Dolan wants to go all in there. Lots of smoke around Quenneville, which may convince Kane to stay as well.

Perhaps you could do an ADB to Rangers (reunite him with his Chicago friends) for Lafreniere if you took Goodrow's cap hit back (although he has a 15-team NTC).

In a new situation, I think Lafreniere could still become a very effective 55-65 point 2nd line winger.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Dreger hints on Overdrive that Lafreniere "may" become available this summer.

Not sure what the Rangers would want, maybe a replacement cheap young forward or prospects/picks.

Would probably ask for Pinto or Greig. Maybe with a plus depending on his value around the league.

They were rumoured to be heavily interested in Boucher before we snagged him at 10th OVR

 

[Micklebot]

Really sounds like James Dolan wants to go all in there. Lots of smoke around Quenneville, which may convince Kane to stay as well.

Perhaps you could do an ADB to Rangers (reunite him with his Chicago friends) for Lafreniere if you took Goodrow's cap hit back (although he has a 15-team NTC).

In a new situation, I think Lafreniere could still become a very effective 55-65 point 2nd line winger.

Hmm... Lafreniere and Goodrow for ADB seems like a pretty good option for us, I wonder what Lafreniere will cost contract wise?