Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[GCK]

Dorion said he’s still not allowed to discuss Formenton, so likely not going to play out well

I think the NHL is going to release the findings post playoffs. I don't think we know if it's good or bad.

 

[BondraTime]

DBC has told the Sens he’ll let them know his intentions prior to the draft.

He’ll be made available by June 1st at the latest. Sens aren’t going to get dragged along like Stone and Duchene.

Actually, I’d say we’re boned. Dorion knows he needs to win to survive. He’s not trading DBC. Only way he’s dealt is if there is someone new on place prior to the draft.

 

[Micklebot]

DBC has told the Sens he’ll let them know his intentions prior to the draft.

He’ll be made available by June 1st at the latest. Sens aren’t going to get dragged along like Stone and Duchene.

That's good news, I suspect at this stage it's more about family, do he and the wife feel Ottawa is a good city to raise the little one in for the next ~7 years, or do they want to move one or two more times before finding their long term landing spot.

 

[BondraTime]

That's good news, I suspect at this stage it's more about family, do he and the wife feel Ottawa is a good city to raise the little one in for the next ~7 years, or do they want to move one or two more times before finding their long term landing spot.

Definitely not how I take these platitudes from players, but in the eye of the beholder

 

[Big Muddy]

I really don’t think Joseph is moveable without attaching a premium asset like our 2024 1st.

That's more than it took to get rid of Zaitsev. I don't think it will be that steep. JMHO.

 

[Micklebot]

Definitely not how I take these platitudes from players, but in the eye of the beholder

If he tells us by June he wants out, great, we can move accordingly. The fact that he hasn't already told Dorion he wants out means he's at least open to staying. He may only be open to it if we overpay, but that's still better than under no condition willing to stay.

 

[Hale The Villain]

DBC has told the Sens he’ll let them know his intentions prior to the draft.

He’ll be made available by June 1st at the latest. Sens aren’t going to get dragged along like Stone and Duchene.

Actually, I’d say we’re boned. Dorion knows he needs to win to survive. He’s not trading DBC. Only way he’s dealt is if there is someone new on place prior to the draft.

Sounds like Dorion is going to keep DeBrincat here on his 9M QO and rent him for the year, even if he doesn't want to re-sign.

 

[BondraTime]

If he tells us by June he wants out, great, we can move accordingly. The fact that he hasn't already told Dorion he wants out means he's at least open to staying. He may only be open to it if we overpay, but that's still better than under no condition willing to stay.

Oh absolutely is better that he will tell him.

I think it’s more just let him fade into the back rather than deal with the backlash of that information coming out during, or at end of season events. Now just has to sit back at his home in the summer, not have to deal with reporters and or other distractions while it gets to play out over the draft.

*How I’m reading it with all information we’ve gotten and in front of us, obviously nothing but my feeling

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sounds like Dorion is going to keep DeBrincat here on his 9M QO and rent him for the year, even if he doesn't want to re-sign.

He said he's going to qualify him more than once.
If he lets the team know his intentions early enough .. team elected arbitration may be a better approach.

 

[Hale The Villain]

He said he's going to qualify him more than once.
If he lets the team know his intentions early enough .. team elected arbitration may be a better approach.

Yeah but we could qualify him and then trade him, but the tweet I posted reads like we're going to keep him for the year, even if he doesn't want to re-sign long-term this summer.

 

[DueDiligence]

He’s owed 11M.

No he is owed $2.95 million for the 3 next years= $8.850 million. Which is a little high for a 10 goal 30 point penalty killer but not by much.

 

[GCK]

That's more than it took to get rid of Zaitsev. I don't think it will be that steep. JMHO.

Zaitsev was owed less than 6M dollars while Joseph is owed 11M. When dumping a contract is more about dollars than cap space since it’s generally bottom feeders that take these on.

Sounds like Dorion is going to keep DeBrincat here on his 9M QO and rent him for the year, even if he doesn't want to re-sign.

I thinks that’s very unlikely if you listen to his interview after the presser.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

@Hale The Villain should be happy with this

That upgrade is coming from within 100%

 

[GCK]

No he is owed $2.95 million for the 3 next years= $8.850 million. Which is a little high for a 10 goal 30 point penalty killer but not by much.

That’s cap hit not real dollars. Bad math on my part. It’s only 9.3M he is owed. Still not something teams are going to take on without heavy compensation

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

DBC has told the Sens he’ll let them know his intentions prior to the draft.

He’ll be made available by June 1st at the latest. Sens aren’t going to get dragged along like Stone and Duchene.

Actually, I’d say we’re boned. Dorion knows he needs to win to survive. He’s not trading DBC. Only way he’s dealt is if there is someone new on place prior to the draft.

Feels like there are enough quality NHLers who will be available that something could be worked out. Won't recoup much value compared to what we gave up, but might be able to parlay Debrincat into a less top-heavy forward group (+ maybe an ok future). It seems like a rare case where quality for quantity could work well for both teams.

 

[Big Muddy]

Zaitsev was owed less than 6M dollars while Joseph is owed 11M. When dumping a contract is more about dollars than cap space since it’s generally bottom feeders that take these on.

Yes, I know all about the dollars involved. My main point is that I doubt it would take a 1st to move Joseph. It was asset cost (specifically draft picks) I was mostly focused on. Joseph can PK and I think Joseph can hold a roster spot on the bottom half of a roster on several (below average) teams but is slightly overpaid. Zaitsev was barely a #6 defender when we moved him (a below average #6 at best).

 

[Micklebot]

He said he's going to qualify him more than once.
If he lets the team know his intentions early enough .. team elected arbitration may be a better approach.

If we qualify him rather than take him to arbitration that's all the reason I need to send Dorion packing, what would be the rationale of chosing 9 mil rather than taking him to arbitration? Do they think he can get more that 9 mil via arbitration?

 

[bicboi64]

That upgrade is coming from within 100%

Grieg should definitely make the jump as either 3LW or 2LW if Cat doesn't extend. Wonder if Dorion is banking on Ostapchuk making a case for the 4th line.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Yeah but we could qualify him and then trade him, but the tweet I posted reads like we're going to keep him for the year, even if he doesn't want to re-sign long-term this summer.

LM wants that outcome.
I think I heard Dorion said he thinks they can sign him and if not decisions would happen after that.
I don't think the outcome is he definitely plays through his QO year but if Dorion is making those decisions who knows.

My impression is they will try to negotiate with him and if they can agree they extend him. If not and it comes to having to qualify him , they will and they will try to move him if there is no extension.
I hope that Dorion doesn't pull a Mark Stone with this one.

 

[Micklebot]

Zaitsev was owed less than 6M dollars while Joseph is owed 11M. When dumping a contract is more about dollars than cap space since it’s generally bottom feeders that take these on.

Zaitsev was a 7th D at best, Joseph is still a useful player despite what some here think.

 

[GCK]

Yes, I know all about the dollars involved. My main point is that I doubt it would take a 1st to move Joseph. It was asset cost (specifically draft picks) I was mostly focused on. Joseph can PK and I think Joseph can hold a roster spot on the bottom half of a roster on several teams but is slightly overpaid. Zaitsev was barely a #6 defender when we moved him (a below average #6 at best).

Joseph had ZERO even strength goals this year. In Tampa’s 2 Cup winning runs he played 6 total games. No team is salivating to get him. He is a salary dump. We should just keep him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If we qualify him rather than take him to arbitration that's all the reason I need to send Dorion packing, what would be the rationale of chosing 9 mil rather than taking him to arbitration? Do they think he can get more that 9 mil via arbitration?

Its just never been mentioned.. but I think the price comes down from 9

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

LM wants that outcome.
I think I heard Dorion said he thinks they can sign him and if not decisions would happen after that.
I don't think the outcome is he definitely plays through his QO year but if Dorion is making those decisions who knows.

My impression is they will try to negotiate with him and if they can agree they extend him. If not and it comes to having to qualify him , they will and they will try to move him if there is no extension.
I hope that Dorion doesn't pull a Mark Stone with this one.

 

[Big Muddy]

Joseph had ZERO even strength goals this year. In Tampa’s 2 Cup winning runs he played 6 total games. No team is salivating to get him. He is a salary dump. We should just keep him.

I didn't say (or imply) anything about teams "salivating" to get Joseph anywhere in my post. I just said that I don't think it will cost us a 1st.

If we keep, we keep him - not the end of the world. I'm moving on.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yeah but we could qualify him and then trade him, but the tweet I posted reads like we're going to keep him for the year, even if he doesn't want to re-sign long-term this summer.

Better read it again.

and if he doesn't want to sign we'll make decisions from there"

What makes you think they keep him for the year, and not move him during the year or before.