Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[TheTakedown]

I'm really not interested in giving raises to Callahan, Girardi, or Brassard. None of them are going to get any better. Go find younger, cheaper guys to replace them. Make trades, use picks and prospects if you have to. If you're not going to draft top 5, then bite the bullet and acquire talent the hard way. And don't trade for or sign guys on UFA contracts unless they're meant to be secondary pieces. Successful teams are led by young cheap talent, mixed in with a couple of HHOFers in the twilight of their career for leadership and experience.

Stralman deserves a raise. I'd like to keep him. He's been bringing an A+ game in the playoffs two years in a row. Rangers should probably also qualify Del Zotto now that Staal's future is uncertain.

Thank you for your insight Crease. Very solid words, and exactly what needs to be done here

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Maybe he retires.

You know what? I'm getting sick of this team acting and being built on maybes.

Maybe Eric Lindros will develop an immunity to concussions.

Maybe Theo Fleury won't be plagued by his substance abuse problems.

Maybe air tinged with the scent of the Hudson River will prove to be miraculous cure to Pavel Bure's shot knees

Maybe Scott Gomez or Chris Drury will click with Jaromir Jagr.

Maybe John Tortorella will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Maybe Markus Naslund won't be old.

Maybe Wade Redden solves the "first pass out of the zone" issues and QBs the PP.

Maybe Nik Zherdev will develop and heart and a brain.

Maybe Brad Richards turns fledgling offensive players into consistent goal-scorers.

Maybe Rick Nash will solve the goal-scoring woes.

Maybe Derick Brassard will all the sudden become a consistent offensive force.

Maybe Alain Vigneaul will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Enough maybes.

Maybe there are no shortcuts to building a consistent contender.

Maybe the sign UFAs to solve all problems mentality is just lazy.

Maybe the entire organization needs to be a better job at talent evaluation at every level.

Maybe this franchise needs to establish an identity and then hire coaches and fill it with players that fit identity.

Anything else just keeps the revolving door of mediocrity spinning.

 

[NYRKindms]

It's not a rebuild. It's a 1 year tank. Look at the cap space we have coming up.

Team needs a new core.

Let's say we finish with the 5th pick in the draft. There would be a definite game changer available there. We're headed that way anyway. Vigneaux can't motivate his players. What's to say they can motivate themselves? They couldn't last year. They can't this year. We're sinking.

Richards is going to be bought out in the offseason. Think that by January, if we're showing little-no signs of improvement, DZ and Brassard are shipped out of town for a young and controllable top 6 player - although not the game changer you mention.

After that, if the Rangers don't make the playoffs, I think Vigneaux is given the boot after a year. Laviolette gets the hire. His style of hockey is much more conducive to an Eastern conference style of playing.

My plan would clearly consist of trading Girardi, DZ, and Brassard (at the least). Cally should be a keeper, but this health regression is quite frightening. Freak injuries, but it's alarming they're becoming so frequent. The team needs more like him but he doesn't do much good to the team when he's not on the ice. Same can be said about Staal.

Team is in trouble. But we have youth coming in that might change some of this.

Stepan, Nash, and Kreider should be a good start. Miller, Kristo, and Lindberg in a year should provide solid depth and options. Anyone else brought in needs to help the youth grow a winning mentality.

I think aim top 7 pick this year. Get that center we need. Start changing the core and mentality. Phaneuf. Call up McIlrath. Get some veterans that are proven winners.

You're right about the rotten core. Staal used to play with so much more energy his first 3 years here. He was much more physical. Him and Ovy were constantly down each others throats. I remember he fought Semin once. I can't remember the last time he laid a big hit on anyone.

Girardi was the same. There was a time where he took no **** from anyone. I remember he was slightly bumped by Cam Barker like 3-4 years ago. He dropped the gloves and laid bombs immediately. Where did his physicality go?

Callahan, even up till last year, was the sparkplug that lit everyone's ass on fire. Big hits, strategic fights... None of that.

What happened to our core?

This will almost come off as a troll to our members with Kids but as soon as Girardi, Cally and Hank had kids it was the beginning of the end. Perhaps it is just a coincidence about the timing but peoples priorities change dramatically when children enter the picture for better or worse.

Add to that the glue guys getting shipped out and WHAM no fire.

 

[Ail]

This will almost come off as a troll to our members with Kids but as soon as Girardi, Cally and Hank had kids it was the beginning of the end. Perhaps it is just a coincidence about the timing but peoples priorities change dramatically when children enter the picture for better or worse.

Add to that the glue guys getting shipped out and WHAM no fire.

I don't have kids and I feel trolled.

 

[pld459666]

You know what? I'm getting sick of this team acting and being built on maybes.

Maybe Eric Lindros will develop an immunity to concussions.

Maybe Theo Fleury won't be plagued by his substance abuse problems.

Maybe air tinged with the scent of the Hudson River will prove to be miraculous cure to Pavel Bure's shot knees

Maybe Scott Gomez or Chris Drury will click with Jaromir Jagr.

Maybe John Tortorella will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Maybe Markus Naslund won't be old.

Maybe Wade Redden solves the "first pass out of the zone" issues and QBs the PP.

Maybe Nik Zherdev will develop and heart and a brain.

Maybe Brad Richards turns fledgling offensive players into consistent goal-scorers.

Maybe Rick Nash will solve the goal-scoring woes.

Maybe Derick Brassard will all the sudden become a consistent offensive force.

Maybe Alain Vigneaul will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Enough maybes.

Maybe there are no shortcuts to building a consistent contender.

Maybe the sign UFAs to solve all problems mentality is just lazy.

Maybe the entire organization needs to be a better job at talent evaluation at every level.

Maybe this franchise needs to establish an identity and then hire coaches and fill it with players that fit identity.

Anything else just keeps the revolving door of mediocrity spinning.

End Thread/

 

[Thirty One]

End Thread/

Yes, from now on, the Rangers should only act on certainties........
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[Ail]

You know what? I'm getting sick of this team acting and being built on maybes.

Maybe Eric Lindros will develop an immunity to concussions.

Maybe Theo Fleury won't be plagued by his substance abuse problems.

Maybe air tinged with the scent of the Hudson River will prove to be miraculous cure to Pavel Bure's shot knees

Maybe Scott Gomez or Chris Drury will click with Jaromir Jagr.

Maybe John Tortorella will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Maybe Markus Naslund won't be old.

Maybe Wade Redden solves the "first pass out of the zone" issues and QBs the PP.

Maybe Nik Zherdev will develop and heart and a brain.

Maybe Brad Richards turns fledgling offensive players into consistent goal-scorers.

Maybe Rick Nash will solve the goal-scoring woes.

Maybe Derick Brassard will all the sudden become a consistent offensive force.

Maybe Alain Vigneaul will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Enough maybes.

Maybe there are no shortcuts to building a consistent contender.

Maybe the sign UFAs to solve all problems mentality is just lazy.

Maybe the entire organization needs to be a better job at talent evaluation at every level.

Maybe this franchise needs to establish an identity and then hire coaches and fill it with players that fit identity.

Anything else just keeps the revolving door of mediocrity spinning.

Yeah but, maybe you're wrong maybe.

 

[TollefsenFan]

Should get rid of Pou, Pyatt, Staal and MDZ. Get a good faceoff center for Staal. How about Staal for Bozak? Pyatt, Miller or Pou for an enforcer. Mdz and Miller for Komarov. And bring in Granak from Dynamo Moscow. Perhaps even Jurcina. He is big and totally useless most of the time, but he is big and u need big Ds when u deffend against teams like Boston. More important is that Euros are almost free

We cant transform this team into Chicago Blackhawks through trades, because we got nothing to trade.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You know what? I'm getting sick of this team acting and being built on maybes.

Maybe Eric Lindros will develop an immunity to concussions.

Maybe Theo Fleury won't be plagued by his substance abuse problems.

Maybe air tinged with the scent of the Hudson River will prove to be miraculous cure to Pavel Bure's shot knees

Maybe Scott Gomez or Chris Drury will click with Jaromir Jagr.

Maybe John Tortorella will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Maybe Markus Naslund won't be old.

Maybe Wade Redden solves the "first pass out of the zone" issues and QBs the PP.

Maybe Nik Zherdev will develop and heart and a brain.

Maybe Brad Richards turns fledgling offensive players into consistent goal-scorers.

Maybe Rick Nash will solve the goal-scoring woes.

Maybe Derick Brassard will all the sudden become a consistent offensive force.

Maybe Alain Vigneaul will unleash the previously stymied offensive talent.

Enough maybes.

Maybe there are no shortcuts to building a consistent contender.

Maybe the sign UFAs to solve all problems mentality is just lazy.

Maybe the entire organization needs to be a better job at talent evaluation at every level.

Maybe this franchise needs to establish an identity and then hire coaches and fill it with players that fit identity.

Anything else just keeps the revolving door of mediocrity spinning.

HERE HERE!

Sather is a big shot. Big shots know all. Every decision this team makes is made from 30,000 feet. I work in an industry where data-driven fact-based analysis is the norm. If I ever used "maybe" in a presentation to my boss, he'd throw me out of his office.

Like the team on the ice, this front-office needs to become younger, hungrier, and more talented. Im sick of an old man playing hunches.

 

[Inferno]

1. a team building philosophy that doesn't change each season (and sometimes within a season). Choose a direction and stick with it. Skill, grit, hybrid, whatever. I dont care at this point. Show the willingness to commit to a long-term vision.

2. They need a dynamic center. Period. Don't ask me how they're going to get one, but they've needed one and they still do.

3. Re-tool, don't rebuild. About half the roster is adequate. The core is rotten. Id be working on deals to trade Callahan, Girardi, Del Zotto, Brassard RIGHT NOW. They should be able to net NHL-ready talent, talent that should fit the mold of whatever the heck #1 is.

i semi agree.

#1 is the most important thing. i had a rant on my site about it the other day.

wtf is this team? how do they want to play? if they want to play a skill based puck possession game, stop getting grinders.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Yeah but, maybe you're wrong maybe.

Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Yes, from now on, the Rangers should only act on certainties........
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Is that really what you took away from that?

 

[TollefsenFan]

Trade someone for an enforcer. Cmon this team is to soft. An enforcer can spark the team and protect the smaller players on the team. Thats what we rly lack. Well and a center that can win faceoffs.

 

[Thirty One]

Is that really what you took away from that?

Pretty much, yeah. Tell me what I missed.

Every decision in hockey is a maybe. They make decisions today for games played in the future.

 

[TollefsenFan]

How about David Koci http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=10992

 

[Raspewtin]

Trade someone for an enforcer. Cmon this team is to soft. An enforcer can spark the team and protect the smaller players on the team. Thats what we rly lack. Well and a center that can win faceoffs.

Jesus christ. This post hurt my head.

We lose 4-1 and we need an enforcer, yeah.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Pretty much, yeah. Tell me what I missed.

Every decision in hockey is a maybe. They make decisions today for games played in the future.

Do you get the impression that Sather does the proper legwork to mitigate risk with his decisions?

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Draft picks dont guarantee a thing. Even though I think the core is rotten and needs to go, Im not trading them for draft picks. Thats pretty poor asset management.

Im adverse to tanking for draft picks as a whole for a few reasons, but chief among them is that you have to get a bit lucky for the top 5, top 10 pick to not only work out, but to also be the dynamic talent you and penciling him in to be. Its risky, and if it fails, you're in a poorer place than when you started.

How did the '99 draft work out for the Rangers?

The point I was trying to make was that worst case scenarios we get some sort of assets for our expiring free agents.

Based on market return for similar skill sets, Girardi should yield a 1st and a top 3 prospect, hypothetically.

Same for Staal, but since he's younger and has a more hyped up name, he'll likely get more. Of course, you'll get people on here that will say his value is greatly diminished by his head injury proneness. He's wearing a visor for his eye protections, and Rangers will give him the proper treatment for a concussion. Nash doesn't look any different than how he was when he started the season last year. The 2 have had the same amount of concussions in their career. Staal would get a sizeable package in return.

For anyone realistically thinking of trading Cally, the most I can see him getting is a 1st and a B prospect/3rd or 4th liner like Prust when we got him. I think he's a Ranger past this expiring contract.

I'm not in favor of trading DZ/Brassard for draft picks. I want them to be in a package for someone we use for the future.

So... realistically, my plan would be to trade Girardi to some team in need of defense and a top 3 prospect. Would Ottawa give a 2nd and Zibanejad for him? They need defensively responsible players. They have 9 mill coming off the books next year between Corvo, Phillips, and Michalek.

Would MDZ, Brassard, and Kristo be enough to get Kessler? Would there need to be more?

Is a good package for Staal Murphy and Carolina's first? They gave a similar package for Jordan who is significantly worse and less useful to a team than Marc is.

These are all great and useful returns for the Rangers and the type of players we're looking to build around.

Murphy could be a similar version to Staal as he develops. Zibanejad could be a similar center to Stepan. Maybe instead of a 1st line gamechanger we should be looking for center balance, like Boston has. Kessler doesn't warrant an explanation. He'd be great moving forward with our younger guys.

 

[TollefsenFan]

Jesus christ. This post hurt my head.

We lose 4-1 and we need an enforcer, yeah.

Boston abused us. This team is soft. Nash is soft, Boyle is soft, Moore and Falk are a bit better, but none of them can protect other players. Face it. Our biggest players are soft.

Nash is a soft powerforward. Boyle is a fantastic PK. One of the best. Falk and Moore are at best oki Ds. Thats it. If Lucic comes up With a dirty hit on Stepan. What then? Whos gonna protect him?

Stepan, Kreider, Nash, Brassard, Hags, Zucc, Richards etc should and will create the offense. Im not worried at all. Those players got a ton of skill. We got two powerforwards in Nash and Kreider. Two creative centers in Stepan and Richards. Two small and fast winger in Zucc and Hagelin. And Brassard can also score some goals.

Our PK is also great. What worries me is the lack of Depth on D and lack of enforcers.

 

[RangerBoy]

Philly traded Zhitnik for Coburn in 2007.

 

[Thirty One]

Do you get the impression that Sather does the proper legwork to mitigate risk with his decisions?

I don't know. I know he repeatedly makes poor decisions. But I think the decisions based on maybes is a silly argument.

Philly traded Zhitnik for Coburn in 2007.

lolwut.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

How about David Koci http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=10992

how about a tough guy that can play more than 3 mins a nightand not another John Scott.. someone in their 20's would be better than another veteran enforcer because that worked so well in the past

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Do you get the impression that Sather does the proper legwork to mitigate risk with his decisions?

That's the point.

Of course there are maybes. It's doing to the work to increase the likelihood of success that is ultimately what the front office's job is. And you do that through thorough preparation and learning from mistakes.

I see none of that with this current regime.

 

[TollefsenFan]

How about
Hag - Richards - Nash
Kreider - Stepan - Zucc
Miller - Brassard - Dorsett
Koci - Boyle - Moore


McD - Girardi
Moore - Strålman
Jurcina - Granak
Falk

Lundqvist
Talbot

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers need more physical players. McIlrath should help in that area. The Rangers need more hard working skill guys. AV brought up the Red Wings as an example of what type of player he wants. The Wings have the hard working skill guys. They aren't soft players. The Hawks have the same model. Boston has Campbell,Paille and Kelly. They compete. That's what drives Vigneault crazy. The Rangers players don't compete. They don't fight to get the puck back. The Rangers need more size. They have so many needs.