Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of getting rid of Hagelin, especially with guys like Lindberg coming up in a short while.

Hagelin and Kreider must stay since the Rangers are not that fast of a team. Hagelin and Kreider negates a lot of icings..

 

[TheTakedown]

Agreed. Hagelin has been the catalyst for our most successful lines over the 1.5 years. No reason to dump him over a poor start to an injury-affected season.

We need to start getting value for Girardi, Staal, MDZ, and Callahan sooner rather than later- before their value deprecates further. I know a lot of people don't want to pencil in Zucc into our long term line up because he's a UDFA and 5"7, but if he keeps playing like this- I see no reason to invest in the RW position heavily unless the offer is too good to pass up.

xx are holes I currently see with our team. The third line center position will be occupied by either Lindberg or Miller next season. It would be a nice surprise if Kristo could make the team also on the third line. Our fourth line LW spot can be someone from our system like Haley or a cheap UFA or whatever.

This leaves four big holes to fill. A #1 RD to replace Girardi, a #3 LD to replace Moore (who is replacing MDZ/Staal) and 2/3 of a second line. Hopefully we'll be able to get some quality pieces put of these trades.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
xx-xx-Zuccarello
Hagelin-xx-xx
someone-Boyle-Dorsett

McDonagh-xx
Moore-Stralmam
xx-McIlrath

This post to a t...

THESE are the core players that we need to keep.

My only gripe is not to rely on Lindberg or miller to fill those xx spots... Its just not worth the risk.

Establish the team, then pull up prospects.

But the players listed in this roster are the players that should (and most likely will) stick around for the AV era

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Agreed. Hagelin has been the catalyst for our most successful lines over the 1.5 years. No reason to dump him over a poor start to an injury-affected season.

We need to start getting value for Girardi, Staal, MDZ, and Callahan sooner rather than later- before their value deprecates further. I know a lot of people don't want to pencil in Zucc into our long term line up because he's a UDFA and 5"7, but if he keeps playing like this- I see no reason to invest in the RW position heavily unless the offer is too good to pass up.

xx are holes I currently see with our team. The third line center position will be occupied by either Lindberg or Miller next season. It would be a nice surprise if Kristo could make the team also on the third line. Our fourth line LW spot can be someone from our system like Haley or a cheap UFA or whatever.

This leaves four big holes to fill. A #1 RD to replace Girardi, a #3 LD to replace Moore (who is replacing MDZ/Staal) and 2/3 of a second line. Hopefully we'll be able to get some quality pieces put of these trades.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
xx-xx-Zuccarello
Hagelin-xx-xx
someone-Boyle-Dorsett

McDonagh-xx
Moore-Stralmam
xx-McIlrath

Boyle is gone dude. Lindberg is most likely his replacement. Dorsett is probably not going to last. I am 50/50 on Brassard staying or going. It really depends if they can get some talented guys to play with him. Zuc is also 50/50.

Regarding our D, I think we are going to keep one of Staal or Girardi.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

brb,

wondering (besides a full rebuild) what you think fixes this team.

1. a team building philosophy that doesn't change each season (and sometimes within a season). Choose a direction and stick with it. Skill, grit, hybrid, whatever. I dont care at this point. Show the willingness to commit to a long-term vision.

2. They need a dynamic center. Period. Don't ask me how they're going to get one, but they've needed one and they still do.

3. Re-tool, don't rebuild. About half the roster is adequate. The core is rotten. Id be working on deals to trade Callahan, Girardi, Del Zotto, Brassard RIGHT NOW. They should be able to net NHL-ready talent, talent that should fit the mold of whatever the heck #1 is.

 

[Raspewtin]

If we can't get a really good, offensively gifted center, I'm perfectly fine with getting another defensively smart center similar to Stepan, like ROR.

Great 1-2 punch right there.

 

[eco's bones]

If the Rangers re-sign Callahan and Girardi to long term deals,that's the same team. Its the safe move. If the Rangers continue to get ripped at home,management will have no choice but to wake up. These idiots are lucky to be in the worst division in the league. The season would be over in any other division. Stralman is a good player. Maybe they keep him on a short term deal or they can trade him too. The other group IIIs are not worth the roster space. Not bringing them back has nothing to do with not bringing back the same team. They stink. Del Zotto needs to go. Staal needs to go too. Hopefully he gets healthy in the next month. Maybe trade him in the summer. Maybe they keep him and trade him during the season.

My overall view of the organization would extend beyond just those playing on the NHL team--and we have little in the tank right now--and a glut of veterans at both the NHL and AHL level we don't need.

We have no new players set on entering into this organization next year (which I find astounding) unless we sign a bunch of college or CHL free agents.

Of the vets at least two thirds of our potential UFA's have no real trade value. We can trade those who do--the truth is we need to get quality players/prospects back more than we need to get draft picks who will take two or three years of development before they turn pro and the problem is trading our better UFA's now is pretty much the equivalent of running up the white flag for this season. More or less the season is over and Henrik is going to be an ordinary goaltender with a new 7 year $59 mil contract playing in front of the team that's left and for a coaching staff that the present team seems to have already tuned out. AV seems committed to getting our square pegs to do round hole things. Basically this organization is a mess.

For those who think this year has been a rough ride--next year looks to be a lot worse. Not just all the unsigned free agents we have but the Rangers prospect pool is as shallow as it gets and is not going to be supplying much fresh blood for the next couple years anyway.

 

[pld459666]

With Staal and Callahan going down, I don't think it would be smart to make any move right now.

keep the assets, let the season play itself out.

Make the PO's awesome. Miss the PO's have a shot at #1 or at least a solid pick in the 8-14 range awesome.

teams see the situation we are in. It was bad enough prior to the injuries that teams knew we were a lil desperate for scoring help and MDZ was ******** the bed.

Now with Staal and Cally down until probably mid January it's not time to make a panic move.

ride the stome and see what happens.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

If we can't get a really good, offensively gifted center, I'm perfectly fine with getting another defensively smart center similar to Stepan, like ROR.

Great 1-2 punch right there.

That's fine as long as the wings are overloaded with offensive talent. Which on this current team isn't the case but I think Kreider and Nash will form an excellent top line together

 

[Vidic15*]

My overall view of the organization would extend beyond just those playing on the NHL team--and we have little in the tank right now--and a glut of veterans at both the NHL and AHL level we don't need.

We have no new players set on entering into this organization next year (which I find astounding) unless we sign a bunch of college or CHL free agents.

Of the vets at least two thirds of our potential UFA's have no real trade value. We can trade those who do--the truth is we need to get quality players/prospects back more than we need to get draft picks who will take two or three years of development before they turn pro and the problem is trading our better UFA's now is pretty much the equivalent of running up the white flag for this season. More or less the season is over and Henrik is going to be an ordinary goaltender with a new 7 year $59 mil contract playing in front of the team that's left and for a coaching staff that the present team seems to have already tuned out. AV seems committed to getting our square pegs to do round hole things. Basically this organization is a mess.

For those who think this year has been a rough ride--next year looks to be a lot worse. Not just all the unsigned free agents we have but the Rangers prospect pool is as shallow as it gets and is not going to be supplying much fresh blood for the next couple years anyway.

That's a pretty bleak picture your painting there. I really don't think it's that bad. Girardi, Callahan, and Boyle would bring back a nice return with a couple of roster players coming back along with picks.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

1. a team building philosophy that doesn't change each season (and sometimes within a season). Choose a direction and stick with it. Skill, grit, hybrid, whatever. I dont care at this point. Show the willingness to commit to a long-term vision.

2. They need a dynamic center. Period. Don't ask me how they're going to get one, but they've needed one and they still do.

3. Re-tool, don't rebuild. About half the roster is adequate. The core is rotten. Id be working on deals to trade Callahan, Girardi, Del Zotto, Brassard RIGHT NOW. They should be able to net NHL-ready talent, talent that should fit the mold of whatever the heck #1 is.

1. Impossible with Sather. Very disillusioned GM. His most glaring fault is recognizing how to construct a team properly. He throws mud against a wall and sees what sticks.
2. That's tough. We don't ever tank far enough to find one of these in the draft. Most teams don't let their dynamic centers walk before 29/30.
3. Makes sense. Then again look at #1. Rarely do his moves make sense for the longterm success of the club. This is a deep draft. If we sell, we'll not only have our own 1st round pick which will likely be top 10 if we tank, but we should be able to sell at least Cally and Girardi for 1st round picks. We'd get our #1 C with a top 10 pick in this draft, hypothetically. Can Sather use patience? Likely not.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

1. Impossible with Sather. Very disillusioned GM. His most glaring fault is recognizing how to construct a team properly. He throws mud against a wall and sees what sticks.
2. That's tough. We don't ever tank far enough to find one of these in the draft. Most teams don't let their dynamic centers walk before 29/30.
3. Makes sense. Then again look at #1. Rarely do his moves make sense for the longterm success of the club. This is a deep draft. If we sell, we'll not only have our own 1st round pick which will likely be top 10 if we tank, but we should be able to sell at least Cally and Girardi for 1st round picks. We'd get our #1 C with a top 10 pick in this draft, hypothetically. Can Sather use patience? Likely not.

I think the tank and go for a higher draft pick approach is out the window with the Lundqvist signing. That draft pick is going to take years to develop into a #1 center (if it happens at all).

If you wanted to go that route, which no NY GM ever seemingly would even if it makes sense, they should've actually traded Lundqvist instead of signing him to a massive deal

 

[NikC]

McILrath should be ready next year.....

 

[offdacrossbar]

cally girardi del zotto boyle and brassard.

keep stepan but hes not a 1c and all good teams have a dynamic 1c. we dont.

those 5 guys bring back a pretty good haul of nhl ready talent.

top targets would be

speed at center.
size at center.
sniper type player with some size
pmd/strong shot pp guy

we can build around that with our core players we retain.

dont want draft picks. we will likely pick the wrong player anyway

 

[Crease]

I'm really not interested in giving raises to Callahan, Girardi, or Brassard. None of them are going to get any better. Go find younger, cheaper guys to replace them. Make trades, use picks and prospects if you have to. If you're not going to draft top 5, then bite the bullet and acquire talent the hard way. And don't trade for or sign guys on UFA contracts unless they're meant to be secondary pieces. Successful teams are led by young cheap talent, mixed in with a couple of HHOFers in the twilight of their career for leadership and experience.

Stralman deserves a raise. I'd like to keep him. He's been bringing an A+ game in the playoffs two years in a row. Rangers should probably also qualify Del Zotto now that Staal's future is uncertain.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

cally girardi del zotto boyle and brassard.

keep stepan but hes not a 1c and all good teams have a dynamic 1c. we dont.

those 5 guys bring back a pretty good haul of nhl ready talent.

top targets would be

speed at center.
size at center.
sniper type player with some size
pmd/strong shot pp guy

we can build around that with our core players we retain.

dont want draft picks. we will likely pick the wrong player anyway

i want someone with size, power forward type. the one that can dig out loose pucks, crash the net. screen the goalie..Rangers need a forward like this over another flash and dash big forward that does not go into the dirty areas or tries to avoid contact.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I think the tank and go for a higher draft pick approach is out the window with the Lundqvist signing. That draft pick is going to take years to develop into a #1 center (if it happens at all).

If you wanted to go that route, which no NY GM ever seemingly would even if it makes sense, they should've actually traded Lundqvist instead of signing him to a massive deal

It's not a rebuild. It's a 1 year tank. Look at the cap space we have coming up.

Team needs a new core.

Let's say we finish with the 5th pick in the draft. There would be a definite game changer available there. We're headed that way anyway. Vigneaux can't motivate his players. What's to say they can motivate themselves? They couldn't last year. They can't this year. We're sinking.

Richards is going to be bought out in the offseason. Think that by January, if we're showing little-no signs of improvement, DZ and Brassard are shipped out of town for a young and controllable top 6 player - although not the game changer you mention.

After that, if the Rangers don't make the playoffs, I think Vigneaux is given the boot after a year. Laviolette gets the hire. His style of hockey is much more conducive to an Eastern conference style of playing.

My plan would clearly consist of trading Girardi, DZ, and Brassard (at the least). Cally should be a keeper, but this health regression is quite frightening. Freak injuries, but it's alarming they're becoming so frequent. The team needs more like him but he doesn't do much good to the team when he's not on the ice. Same can be said about Staal.

Team is in trouble. But we have youth coming in that might change some of this.

Stepan, Nash, and Kreider should be a good start. Miller, Kristo, and Lindberg in a year should provide solid depth and options. Anyone else brought in needs to help the youth grow a winning mentality.

I think aim top 7 pick this year. Get that center we need. Start changing the core and mentality. Phaneuf. Call up McIlrath. Get some veterans that are proven winners.

You're right about the rotten core. Staal used to play with so much more energy his first 3 years here. He was much more physical. Him and Ovy were constantly down each others throats. I remember he fought Semin once. I can't remember the last time he laid a big hit on anyone.

Girardi was the same. There was a time where he took no **** from anyone. I remember he was slightly bumped by Cam Barker like 3-4 years ago. He dropped the gloves and laid bombs immediately. Where did his physicality go?

Callahan, even up till last year, was the sparkplug that lit everyone's ass on fire. Big hits, strategic fights... None of that.

What happened to our core?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

It's not a rebuild. It's a 1 year tank. Look at the cap space we have coming up.

And look at the GM you're giving the cap space to.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

And look at the GM you're giving the cap space to.

Maybe he retires. Rumors were he was ready to do so this year. He's been doing this for a while. Can't see him remaining GM for that much longer, can you?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's not a rebuild. It's a 1 year tank. Look at the cap space we have coming up.

Team needs a new core.

Let's say we finish with the 5th pick in the draft. There would be a definite game changer available there. We're headed that way anyway. Vigneaux can't motivate his players. What's to say they can motivate themselves? They couldn't last year. They can't this year. We're sinking.

Richards is going to be bought out in the offseason. Think that by January, if we're showing little-no signs of improvement, DZ and Brassard are shipped out of town for a young and controllable top 6 player - although not the game changer you mention.

After that, if the Rangers don't make the playoffs, I think Vigneaux is given the boot after a year. Laviolette gets the hire. His style of hockey is much more conducive to an Eastern conference style of playing.

My plan would clearly consist of trading Girardi, DZ, and Brassard (at the least). Cally should be a keeper, but this health regression is quite frightening. Freak injuries, but it's alarming they're becoming so frequent. The team needs more like him but he doesn't do much good to the team when he's not on the ice. Same can be said about Staal.

Team is in trouble. But we have youth coming in that might change some of this.

Stepan, Nash, and Kreider should be a good start. Miller, Kristo, and Lindberg in a year should provide solid depth and options. Anyone else brought in needs to help the youth grow a winning mentality.

I think aim top 7 pick this year. Get that center we need. Start changing the core and mentality. Phaneuf. Call up McIlrath. Get some veterans that are proven winners.

You're right about the rotten core. Staal used to play with so much more energy his first 3 years here. He was much more physical. Him and Ovy were constantly down each others throats. I remember he fought Semin once. I can't remember the last time he laid a big hit on anyone.

Girardi was the same. There was a time where he took no **** from anyone. I remember he was slightly bumped by Cam Barker like 3-4 years ago. He dropped the gloves and laid bombs immediately. Where did his physicality go?

Callahan, even up till last year, was the sparkplug that lit everyone's ass on fire. Big hits, strategic fights... None of that.

What happened to our core?

Draft picks dont guarantee a thing. Even though I think the core is rotten and needs to go, Im not trading them for draft picks. Thats pretty poor asset management.

Im adverse to tanking for draft picks as a whole for a few reasons, but chief among them is that you have to get a bit lucky for the top 5, top 10 pick to not only work out, but to also be the dynamic talent you and penciling him in to be. Its risky, and if it fails, you're in a poorer place than when you started.

How did the '99 draft work out for the Rangers?

 

[ecemleafs]

with the injuries and the performance of pretty much everyone on the team, we might actually be bad enough to have a one year tank this year lol

 

[Ian]

Yeah, a "one-year tank" is exactly what this team needs in theory (no hyperbole on my part).

Unfortuantely what it'd likely amount to is significant raises to Cally and Girardi, acquiring Cammalleri and an overpayment for an older asset, a la Naslund. I'd say either Vrbata or Steen.

 

[Trxjw]

I think the tank and go for a higher draft pick approach is out the window with the Lundqvist signing. That draft pick is going to take years to develop into a #1 center (if it happens at all).

If you wanted to go that route, which no NY GM ever seemingly would even if it makes sense, they should've actually traded Lundqvist instead of signing him to a massive deal

Eh, I'm not so sure it's out of the question. The team would be picking 10th overall if the season ended today, and that's with Hank in net. Only two points away from a top-6 pick. We managed a top-10 pick in 2010 as well.

I think this team sans Callahan, Girardi, and a couple other pieces could wind up with a top-5 pick, or at the very least, be in a position where it would be feasible to move up into that spot.

Drafting alone won't cut it though. We're going to have to make some smart trades and make a couple shrewd FA signings as well.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Maybe he retires. Rumors were he was ready to do so this year. He's been doing this for a while. Can't see him remaining GM for that much longer, can you?

Sathers got so many lives, I can see his cryogenicially frozen head running the team in 2050.

 

[Sean C Billups]

I think Vigneaux is given the boot after a year. Laviolette gets the hire. His style of hockey is much more conducive to an Eastern conference style of playing.

is AV's job realistically on the line?

 

[eco's bones]

That's a pretty bleak picture your painting there. I really don't think it's that bad. Girardi, Callahan, and Boyle would bring back a nice return with a couple of roster players coming back along with picks.

It's not just one or two holes or problems that need to be fixed--it's multiples.

This is the core for next year (7)--Lundqvist, McDonagh, Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Hagelin, Zuccarello.

These are maybes if we want to have pretty much the same team as this year next year (11)--Talbot, J. Moore, Del Zotto, Brassard, Callahan, Stralman, Girardi, Dorsett, Boyle, Staal, Falk. They also are our trade pool of players with any value.

These are potential guys in Hartford right now who might be able to help next year (6)--Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Kristo, McIlrath, Allen.

These are the guys we'll have signing ELC's out of College or junior this summer……………………………(0)

If Rangers fan want to believe that these guys could some day be players (7)--Hrivik, Yogan, Kantor, St. Croix, Nicholls, Hughes, Noreau. We'll be lucky if even one of them does.