Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[HatTrick Swayze]

Unless Stepan is going in a package for a legit 1c or a player on the verge of that I'm not sure how you can justify moving him.

The Rangers' center depth is that bad. In a trade like the Seguin trade? Yea that could work. Don't see it existing though.

 

[theFiGS]

It's laughable how underrated Stepan is on this board.

He's a hell of a lot more of the solution than the problem.

How is stepan underrated? He's not a 1C and there's no stat in the world you can give me that'll change my mind. We lack a superstar C

 

[theFiGS]

I wouldn't trade stepan I think his best years are infront of him as a 2C. Not fast enough to be a 1C but good enough to be a 2. Miller will be our 3 we are hurting for a 1C. Having Nash enter the zone with the puck hurts this team because he has no one to give it up to that can make a play when he's triple teamed

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

How is stepan underrated? He's not a 1C and there's no stat in the world you can give me that'll change my mind. We lack a superstar C

Exactly the mentality on here

Not a superstar = expendable/easy to replace

 

[Vitto79]

Only bright side is Boyle, Moore, Asham, Powe, Pyatt, Pouliott are off the books next yr. He's been rather good but Richards will be bought out as well

Leaves Stepan, Brassard, Nash, Callhaan (if resigned but I think he will be), Kreider, Zuccarello, Hagelin. 7 F total

They have the chance to re-tool a bit.

For now they already dumped Powe and Asham( although hes back)
Pouliott and Pyatt will be waived eventually I think
Moore and Boyle would get picks back

 

[Trxjw]

Throwing the kids into this mess is the last thing they should do. You can't strip this team down, and then throw any promising prospect we have into a crap environment. God knows how many promising players have been ruined by organizations rushing them into the NHL, and then letting them fester on a losing team.

I'm building around this group from the current roster: McDonagh, Moore, Kreider, Stepan, and Hagelin. I think Lundqvist is there by default given his new contract. Same with Nash, but if we were committing to a new plan, he might welcome another trade to go somewhere and try and win a cup.

Secondary guys I'd probably keep unless I could get a very good return: Zuccarello, Dorsett and Boyle. Teams need players like this, even the rebuilding ones. A couple of solid 4th liners, and a scoring forward who may have found the next step in his development as an NHL player.

 

[GAGLine]

How is stepan underrated? He's not a 1C and there's no stat in the world you can give me that'll change my mind. We lack a superstar C

So do the bruins. Stepan is a very good 2C. Unless we are trading Stepan+ for a similarly aged superstar center, I don't see the point of trading him. Who else do we have that can fill the 2C role? The point is to add a 1C without having to trade our 2C. Unfortunately, young, 1st line centers are rarely available.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Only bright side is Boyle, Moore, Asham, Powe, Pyatt, Pouliott are off the books next yr. He's been rather good but Richards will be bought out as well

Leaves Stepan, Brassard, Nash, Callhaan (if resigned but I think he will be), Kreider, Zuccarello, Hagelin. 7 F total

They have the chance to re-tool a bit.

For now they already dumped Powe and Asham( although hes back)
Pouliott and Pyatt will be waived eventually I think
Moore and Boyle would get picks back

How is any of this a bright side scenario?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Throwing the kids into this mess is the last thing they should do. You can't strip this team down, and then throw any promising prospect we have into a crap environment. God knows how many promising players have been ruined by organizations rushing them into the NHL, and then letting them fester on a losing team.

I'm building around this group from the current roster: McDonagh, Moore, Kreider, Stepan, and Hagelin. I think Lundqvist is there by default given his new contract. Same with Nash, but if we were committing to a new plan, he might welcome another trade to go somewhere and try and win a cup.

Secondary guys I'd probably keep unless I could get a very good return: Zuccarello, Dorsett and Boyle. Teams need players like this, even the rebuilding ones. A couple of solid 4th liners, and a scoring forward who may have found the next step in his development as an NHL player.

I tend to agree with this "keepers" list. I think Hagelin has stunk lately, but I recognize a value. Hagelin and Zuccarello are 2 guys that would be able to benefit from an upgrade at center (where thats coming from, who knows?). Ive soured on Moore as well, but hes young, cheap, and cost controlled.

Nash will likely stay too, but the dude needs an attitude adjustment. Someone needs to make him an angry player.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How is any of this a bright side scenario?

Sather has the opportunity to replace them with even crappier players.

 

[GAGLine]

Throwing the kids into this mess is the last thing they should do. You can't strip this team down, and then throw any promising prospect we have into a crap environment. God knows how many promising players have been ruined by organizations rushing them into the NHL, and then letting them fester on a losing team.

I agree, but I think we can trade guys away and replace them with the players we get back. We can also sign stop gap vets to fill holes. It's not ideal, but if we are looking at a "rebuild" of sorts, then we can't expect to remake the team in 1 year.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Exactly the mentality on here

Not a superstar = expendable/easy to replace

Stepan is by and far, easily, undisputedly, THE most OVERrated player on this board. He's a defensive specialist type center with 0 physical offensive attributes. Terrible shot, below average hands, terrible speed. Exactly the opposite of what an offensively challenged team needs out of their top center

 

[iamitter]

Stepan is by and far, easily, undisputedly, THE most OVERrated player on this board. He's a defensive specialist type center with 0 physical offensive attributes. Terrible shot, below average hands, terrible speed. Exactly the opposite of what an offensively challenged team needs out of their top center

He's also one of the best thinkers of the game on this team and that made him our leading scorer last year.

Flashy isn't always what you should go for. I'd rather have Kopitar than Spezza.

Stepan's defensive awareness is one of the best on the entire team.

 

[Trxjw]

I tend to agree with this "keepers" list. I think Hagelin has stunk lately, but I recognize a value. Hagelin and Zuccarello are 2 guys that would be able to benefit from an upgrade at center (where thats coming from, who knows?). Ive soured on Moore as well, but hes young, cheap, and cost controlled.

Nash will likely stay too, but the dude needs an attitude adjustment. Someone needs to make him an angry player.

Hags is a guy I'd entertain offers on. I'd hate to lose him, but at the same time I think he's one of those complimentary forwards that other teams might value a bit more than he's actually worth. I agree about an upgrade at center, but that might have to be part of the long-term plan. I think Hagelin and Lindberg have the potential to be 2/3rds of a very effective 3rd line sometime in the next year, but it's going to take some patience.

Personally, I think Nash's game takes a dump when he's too focused on being physical. He's a very good skill player who just happens to have a size advantage on most other guys.

 

[theFiGS]

So do the bruins. Stepan is a very good 2C. Unless we are trading Stepan+ for a similarly aged superstar center, I don't see the point of trading him. Who else do we have that can fill the 2C role? The point is to add a 1C without having to trade our 2C. Unfortunately, young, 1st line centers are rarely available.

I guess everyone overlooked my next post when I said I wouldn't trade stepan. But
Bergeron > stepan
Krecji > stepan
Like I've said on MOST TEAMS he's a 2C and on some he's a 3C. He's not elite in any aspect of his game, he's a 2C.

 

[Trxjw]

He's also one of the best thinkers of the game on this team and that made him our leading scorer last year.

Flashy isn't always what you should go for. I'd rather have Kopitar than Spezza.

Stepan's defensive awareness is one of the best on the entire team.

You're reading his stat line wrong. Those were 44 defensive points, not offensive ones.

 

[NYR Viper]

I was thinking about this last night, Hagelin is a gym rat normally. He has gotten by for years being extra fit and strong for his size. With the offseason surgery, he wasn't able to do anywhere near as much as normal. I think that is a main reason for his struggles so far this year. I'd keep him.

 

[iamitter]

Hags is a guy I'd entertain offers on. I'd hate to lose him, but at the same time I think he's one of those complimentary forwards that other teams might value a bit more than he's actually worth. I agree about an upgrade at center, but that might have to be part of the long-term plan. I think Hagelin and Lindberg have the potential to be 2/3rds of a very effective 3rd line sometime in the next year, but it's going to take some patience.

Personally, I think Nash's game takes a dump when he's too focused on being physical. He's a very good skill player who just happens to have a size advantage on most other guys.

I don't know what happened to Hagelin this year. It's not the lack of scoring, it just seems like he lost what made him effective. I thought he'd become one of the better role players in the league. He was always there to provide a spark. When the team told Kreider to "watch Hagelin", Hags had an unstoppable motor and never quit. Nowadays, sometimes it seems like he's going through the motions. Kreider certainly uses his speed now, but reminds me more of a (way less passive) early Gaborik.

I was thinking about this last night, Hagelin is a gym rat normally. He has gotten by for years being extra fit and strong for his size. With the offseason surgery, he wasn't able to do anywhere near as much as normal. I think that is a main reason for his struggles so far this year. I'd keep him.

Right. Kind of forgot about that. Makes sense.


I think a big part of our problem is that our defense simply isn't the kind that thrives in AV's system. In Vancouver a tremendous part of their offense came through the defense (look at them this year - huge dips in production from a lot of them). Our D corps simply isn't talented enough offensively for that. Our coaches stress getting shots from the D (early games they complained when some defenseman didn't have a shot on net), but unfortunately some of the plays our D do when trying to force offense actually stifles it.

 

[NYGBleedBlueNYR]

I was thinking about this last night, Hagelin is a gym rat normally. He has gotten by for years being extra fit and strong for his size. With the offseason surgery, he wasn't able to do anywhere near as much as normal. I think that is a main reason for his struggles so far this year. I'd keep him.

Hagelin still contributes when not scoring which not everyone can do.

I think he's a very valuable piece but not untouchable.

One of the few consistent efforts on this team imo

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

He's also one of the best thinkers of the game on this team and that made him our leading scorer last year.

Flashy isn't always what you should go for. I'd rather have Kopitar than Spezza.

Stepan's defensive awareness is one of the best on the entire team.

And that is exactly why he's a perfect shutdown #2 center that can chip in some offense here and there.

Thinking about putting the puck in the net and actually doing it are 2 different things

 

[Matt4776]

I was thinking about this last night, Hagelin is a gym rat normally. He has gotten by for years being extra fit and strong for his size. With the offseason surgery, he wasn't able to do anywhere near as much as normal. I think that is a main reason for his struggles so far this year. I'd keep him.

Agreed. Hagelin has been the catalyst for our most successful lines over the 1.5 years. No reason to dump him over a poor start to an injury-affected season.

We need to start getting value for Girardi, Staal, MDZ, and Callahan sooner rather than later- before their value deprecates further. I know a lot of people don't want to pencil in Zucc into our long term line up because he's a UDFA and 5"7, but if he keeps playing like this- I see no reason to invest in the RW position heavily unless the offer is too good to pass up.

xx are holes I currently see with our team. The third line center position will be occupied by either Lindberg or Miller next season. It would be a nice surprise if Kristo could make the team also on the third line. Our fourth line LW spot can be someone from our system like Haley or a cheap UFA or whatever.

This leaves four big holes to fill. A #1 RD to replace Girardi, a #3 LD to replace Moore (who is replacing MDZ/Staal) and 2/3 of a second line. Hopefully we'll be able to get some quality pieces put of these trades.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
xx-xx-Zuccarello
Hagelin-xx-xx
someone-Boyle-Dorsett

McDonagh-xx
Moore-Stralmam
xx-McIlrath

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Stepan is by and far, easily, undisputedly, THE most OVERrated player on this board. He's a defensive specialist type center with 0 physical offensive attributes. Terrible shot, below average hands, terrible speed. Exactly the opposite of what an offensively challenged team needs out of their top center

Are you sure you aren't talking about Brassard?

Stepan is fine as a 2C. The kind of guy you want to keep around.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

brb,

wondering (besides a full rebuild) what you think fixes this team.

 

[Blueshirt Believer]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of getting rid of Hagelin, especially with guys like Lindberg coming up in a short while.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Are you sure you aren't talking about Brassard?

Stepan is fine as a 2C. The kind of guy you want to keep around.

I'm very sure. I want to keep Stepan, like you said as a pivot on the 2nd line.

I guarantee that if AV continues what he did last night and gives Brassard top line minutes, he will produce. He's the type of player that needs to play with other good players, he just doesn't create enough on his own. Last night was a good start; I thought he looked good with Nash as someone to enter the zone and dish him the puck