Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[Ola]

You get in trouble with Cally if you don't figure out how the CBA works and believe that its risky to give him a long contract. Its of course the opposite.

 

[Ola]

He signs losers. Winning is a mentality. Hard to field a winning team when you assemble a team full of 1 cup winner, rookies, and veterans that have always been on a team with a losing presence.

You need cup winning vets. Phaneuf would be great and all, but does he even have the slightest idea of what it means to elevate his play when the team needs him most? Does Vanek? Does Thornton?

If Phaneuf hits the market, he is getting 10m+ per.

Guaranteed.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's time to make moves. The team is awful. Slow, soft and not skilled. Keep the young players who look good. Stepan, Kreider, MZA, Hagelin, Dorsett, McDonagh, Moore.

Everyone else is on the table.

Time to get young players who can help this team for 5+ years.

 

[eco's bones]

Feels like a rebuilding year and were not even rebuilding.

IMO we kind of are rebuilding--it's just on hold until the trade deadline.

Rangers have 0 prospects scheduled to graduate from College, CHL teams or Europe to the professional ranks for the 2014-15 season unless Nieves or Skjei leave College early--something I suspect the team will try to discourage if either has it in mind and not much other than Nieves and Skjei for 2015-16 either. So there are no incoming as of the moment of players from amateurs to pros for next year. We more than deserved our low ranking in HF's team prospect ranking evaluations.

OTOH--Richards gets bought out and there are a number of other vets probably not coming back at both the NHL/AHL levels--1. Richards (buyout) 2. Pouliot (not re-signed) 3. Asham (not re-signed) 4. Dominic Moore (not re-signed) 5. Powe (not re-signed) 6. Pyatt (not re-signed) 7. Bourque (not re-signed) 8. Jean (not re-signed) 9. Syvret (not re-signed) 10. Missiaen (not re-signed) 11. Stajcer (not re-signed) 13. Wilson (not re-signed) and 14 and 15. and 16.--expect Bickel and Haley and Aaron Johnson to walk--though none of them might not be re-signed anyway.

That's over a quarter of your team (50 contracts) moving along from inanition (not lifting a finger) when this season is done and we haven't even got to the RFA's left--like Kreider, Zuccarello, Brassard, Del Zotto, Moore or the UFA's Girardi, Callahan, Boyle who matter some of whom if they're not traded in the meantime will not return either. And the cherry on top of all that is Staal's status.

I expect the Rangers are going to look a hell of a lot different next year. RangerBoy's worries that we'll be bringing back next year's team are way overblown. So many of the players on this year's team already know they're not coming back. Maybe that's why some of them are playing like they don't give a ****.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

It's time to make moves. The team is awful. Slow, soft and not skilled. Keep the young players who look good. Stepan, Kreider, MZA, Hagelin, Dorsett, McDonagh, Moore.

Everyone else is on the table.

Time to get young players who can help this team for 5+ years.

id keep Miller as well and leave him at center along with Brassard..id trade del zotto girardi boyle callahan pyatt pouliot d.moore to start and let Yogan Kantor Hrivik Lindberg McIlrath Allen Kristo a few games to see if they are ready.

 

[nevesis]

It's time to make moves. The team is awful. Slow, soft and not skilled. Keep the young players who look good. Stepan, Kreider, MZA, Hagelin, Dorsett, McDonagh, Moore.

Everyone else is on the table.

Time to get young players who can help this team for 5+ years.

Stepan, MZA, Hagelin, Dorsett, Moore should all be available…and many more.

The only untouchables to me are Lundqvist, Nash, Kreider and McDonagh.

 

[Emptyvoid]

Stepan, MZA, Hagelin, Dorsett, Moore should all be available…and many more.

The only untouchables to me are Lundqvist, Nash, Kreider and McDonagh.

Why not Stepan? I feel he is the perfect #2C #1 C (if a similar center is behind him) on a stanley cup team. Similar to Bergeron and David Krejci step up in Boston.

 

[Trxjw]

Its important to remember though that -- Marc Savard -- is signed by Boston till 2016-17. It aint hurting them one bit. The worst case scenario is that we pay a true home grown veteran leader 3m per to score 30-40 pts and kill penalties. If he goes down more than that, his contract wouldn't be a problem at all.

Marc Savard is on LTIR with a career ending injury. He's not a player who suffers from multiple types of injuries and bounces in and out of the lineup. Entirely different situations.

 

[Trxjw]

I think it's pretty evident that this core may have topped out with their 11-12 ECF run. Instead of a minor tweak to boost the scoring effort, Sather, once again, chased down the biggest name he could find and shook up the team too much. I was totally on board with Nash, and I think he's a great player, but the team has once again become a mish-mash of incompatible parts that are either broken, past their prime, or aren't ready for prime-time.

It's time for a change, and it really needs to be a total house cleaning.

 

[Emptyvoid]

I think it's pretty evident that this core may have topped out with their 11-12 ECF run. Instead of a minor tweak to boost the scoring effort, Sather, once again, chased down the biggest name he could find and shook up the team too much. I was totally on board with Nash, and I think he's a great player, but the team has once again become a mish-mash of incompatible parts that are either broken, past their prime, or aren't ready for prime-time.

It's time for a change, and it really needs to be a total house cleaning.

The house cleaning needs to start from the top...unfortunately.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I think it's pretty evident that this core may have topped out with their 11-12 ECF run. Instead of a minor tweak to boost the scoring effort, Sather, once again, chased down the biggest name he could find and shook up the team too much. I was totally on board with Nash, and I think he's a great player, but the team has once again become a mish-mash of incompatible parts that are either broken, past their prime, or aren't ready for prime-time.

It's time for a change, and it really needs to be a total house cleaning.

It's not giving the coach what he needs to play his style it took until '11-'12 for Torts to get his guys and it wasn't quite enough.

Agree they need to clean house, Grrr some actually 1st, 2nd, and 3rd liners instead of playing guys up a line because fans are disillusioned. If this team has depth Hags and Callahan should be 3rd liners.

The most irritating part is that we're not even seeing rumors, trades shouldn't happen just to happen but I'd like to hear that the GM is aggressively trying to improve.

 

[Trxjw]

The house cleaning needs to start from the top...unfortunately.

Yep. Sather cannot be the person rebuilding this team.

Fortunately for him, the division is god awful and with a couple mediocre additions to the roster, they should be able to battle until the end for that 3rd Metro spot. Thus perpetuating the "anything can happen" mentality amongst the fan base. "You can't sell at the deadline! We're only 4 points out of a playoff spot! Look at the Kings!"

 

[Emptyvoid]

Yep. Sather cannot be the person rebuilding this team.

Fortunately for him, the division is god awful and with a couple mediocre additions to the roster, they should be able to battle until the end for that 3rd Metro spot. Thus perpetuating the "anything can happen" mentality amongst the fan base. "You can't sell at the deadline! We're only 4 points out of a playoff spot! Look at the Kings!"

Sadly best thing to happen to this team would be for them to fall flat on their faces, keep incurring injuries and just fail. Imagine if Hank went down right now? I know he hasn't been playing well, but god we'd get a top 5 pick.

 

[Trxjw]

It's not giving the coach what he needs to play his style it took until '11-'12 for Torts to get his guys and it wasn't quite enough.

Agree they need to clean house, Grrr some actually 1st, 2nd, and 3rd liners instead of playing guys up a line because fans are disillusioned. If this team has depth Hags and Callahan should be 3rd liners.

The most irritating part is that we're not even seeing rumors, trades shouldn't happen just to happen but I'd like to hear that the GM is aggressively trying to improve.

We rarely ever see rumors with this team. There was the Nash stuff, and the Del Zotto rumors, but for the most part trades come out of nowhere. The Zherdev deal. Gaborik at the deadline. Wolski for Rozsival. Etc.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It hurts me to do this but I'm gonna throw a proposal or two;

Callahan to SJ for Nieto and a 2nd (Nieto would soften the blow of losing Cally and be a more than adequate replacment)
Callahan and Del Z to Ana for Etem, Vitanien and a 2nd.

Thoughts?

And I agree this team may have topped out with the 2011-12 run. No shame. It happens to many teams in sports; 06 Mets, Brewers a few years ago, early 2000 Chargers, early 2000 Phoenix Suns, Sens of the late 90s. We saw it with the Rangers in the early 70s and again in the late 70s/early 80s.

It's important to know when to quit and when to start restocking with another core.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't think San Jose can absorb Callahan's salary.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don't think San Jose can absorb Callahan's salary.

Closer to the deadline it might work. And Rangers could always bring Havalt back

 

[RangerBoy]

IMO we kind of are rebuilding--it's just on hold until the trade deadline.

Rangers have 0 prospects scheduled to graduate from College, CHL teams or Europe to the professional ranks for the 2014-15 season unless Nieves or Skjei leave College early--something I suspect the team will try to discourage if either has it in mind and not much other than Nieves and Skjei for 2015-16 either. So there are no incoming as of the moment of players from amateurs to pros for next year. We more than deserved our low ranking in HF's team prospect ranking evaluations.

OTOH--Richards gets bought out and there are a number of other vets probably not coming back at both the NHL/AHL levels--1. Richards (buyout) 2. Pouliot (not re-signed) 3. Asham (not re-signed) 4. Dominic Moore (not re-signed) 5. Powe (not re-signed) 6. Pyatt (not re-signed) 7. Bourque (not re-signed) 8. Jean (not re-signed) 9. Syvret (not re-signed) 10. Missiaen (not re-signed) 11. Stajcer (not re-signed) 13. Wilson (not re-signed) and 14 and 15. and 16.--expect Bickel and Haley and Aaron Johnson to walk--though none of them might not be re-signed anyway.

That's over a quarter of your team (50 contracts) moving along from inanition (not lifting a finger) when this season is done and we haven't even got to the RFA's left--like Kreider, Zuccarello, Brassard, Del Zotto, Moore or the UFA's Girardi, Callahan, Boyle who matter some of whom if they're not traded in the meantime will not return either. And the cherry on top of all that is Staal's status.

I expect the Rangers are going to look a hell of a lot different next year. RangerBoy's worries that we'll be bringing back next year's team are way overblown. So many of the players on this year's team already know they're not coming back. Maybe that's why some of them are playing like they don't give a ****.

If the Rangers re-sign Callahan and Girardi to long term deals,that's the same team. Its the safe move. If the Rangers continue to get ripped at home,management will have no choice but to wake up. These idiots are lucky to be in the worst division in the league. The season would be over in any other division. Stralman is a good player. Maybe they keep him on a short term deal or they can trade him too. The other group IIIs are not worth the roster space. Not bringing them back has nothing to do with not bringing back the same team. They stink. Del Zotto needs to go. Staal needs to go too. Hopefully he gets healthy in the next month. Maybe trade him in the summer. Maybe they keep him and trade him during the season.

 

[Ola]

Detroit, run by competent people according to most, signed Stepen Weiss to a 4.9 AAV contract over 5 years.

Weiss is on pace to score 10 pts over 82 games this season. 4 pts in 26 games.

Its so easy to say that this guy isn't "worth" it, that guy isn't "worth" it.

Sometime you gotta replace the roster player you let go though. To get someone that is "worth" it then is certainly not easy either. Thats a lesson we never seem to learn. You know what, people will kill me for this, but I truely belive that you cannot rule out that Paul Statsny could replace Weiss above in a year or two if he change teams this summer. Statsny is the big price on the UFA market. He will probably get close to 7m. I see it infront of me: "Statsny on pace for 41 pts in Y1 of his contract and signed for 49m over 7 years"

What are we supposed to do with the money if we let Callahan go?

 

[Trxjw]

Detroit, run by competent people according to most, signed Stepen Weiss to a 4.9 AAV contract over 5 years.

Weiss is on pace to score 10 pts over 82 games this season. 4 pts in 26 games.

Its so easy to say that this guy isn't "worth" it, that guy isn't "worth" it.

Sometime you gotta replace the roster player you let go though. To get someone that is "worth" it then is certainly not easy either. Thats a lesson we never seem to learn. You know what, people will kill me for this, but I truely belive that you cannot rule out that Paul Statsny could replace Weiss above in a year or two if he change teams this summer. Statsny is the big price on the UFA market. He will probably get close to 7m. I see it infront of me: "Statsny on pace for 41 pts in Y1 of his contract and signed for 49m over 7 years"

What are we supposed to do with the money if we let Callahan go?

Not to single you out, Ola, but the last line of your post is the real issue I want to address. Why do we have to do anything with the money at all? What's wrong with having cap space for a change? This "spend it if you got it" mentality has gotten us one cup in 70+ years. Maybe it's time for a different strategy?

 

[Clown Fiesta]

We rarely ever see rumors with this team. There was the Nash stuff, and the Del Zotto rumors, but for the most part trades come out of nowhere. The Zherdev deal. Gaborik at the deadline. Wolski for Rozsival. Etc.

Yeah, they tend to be pretty quiet about things but in this day and age you generally hear a few mumblings especially when a team is as bad as this one is, I'd like to know things were at least being looked at

 

[Fitzy]

If you are looking at quick ways to blow up this team into a fast, high temp offense, Grabner could really benefit from a change of scenery right now. Not a great contract for how he has been playing, though.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Ahhh, the silver bullet thread. Bob Seger should start playing when you open it.

Is anyone really comfortable with Sather flying by the seat of his pants, trying to revamp the roster in a matter of days/weeks AGAIN?!

We need somebody ready and willing to step outside the scope of this season. Someone who realizes this core is rotten and this team is nowhere near in sync with the coach's preferred style of play. These are deep seeded issues that will not be fixed with a trade for Ales Hemsky.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If you are looking at quick ways to blow up this team into a fast, high temp offense, Grabner could really benefit from a change of scenery right now. Not a great contract for how he has been playing, though.

IM NOT LOOKING FOR THAT....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It friggin drives me crazy, in fact.

 

[Ail]

Detroit, run by competent people according to most, signed Stepen Weiss to a 4.9 AAV contract over 5 years.

Weiss is on pace to score 10 pts over 82 games this season. 4 pts in 26 games.

Its so easy to say that this guy isn't "worth" it, that guy isn't "worth" it.

Sometime you gotta replace the roster player you let go though. To get someone that is "worth" it then is certainly not easy either. Thats a lesson we never seem to learn. You know what, people will kill me for this, but I truely belive that you cannot rule out that Paul Statsny could replace Weiss above in a year or two if he change teams this summer. Statsny is the big price on the UFA market. He will probably get close to 7m. I see it infront of me: "Statsny on pace for 41 pts in Y1 of his contract and signed for 49m over 7 years"

What are we supposed to do with the money if we let Callahan go?

His value lies in trade not what you gain in cap space not signing him.