Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[LORDE]

When will people stop this fascination with stupid Russian prospects who are soft, lazy and basically all leave for the KHL after a while. I can't believe we still have fans that don't get the McIlrath pick. You must be watching games with your eyes closed because teams have been abusing our players all season because McIlrath isn't up yet. It was the correct pick. It was a perfect pick. Our pansy defenseman core has nobody on it that can fight, throw a check or intimidate. All things McIlrath brings to the table.

Maybe. Maybe not.

We also have a forward group who can't score... that's a BIG issue... everything else is just scenery.

I like McIlrath. I hope he turns into what your saying. But I can also understand the other sentiment.

It's certainly not black and white at this point.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Interesting discussion about the drafting. The drafting has definitely gotten better since 08. I think the next step is try to move up in the draft to get better players. That's the only way I see them get top end talent without tanking or some luck to get another top end talent drop in their lap.
Develop your players, be patient with them and watch them grow. These ad hoc decisions to rebuild every few years, or sign big ticket free agents (unless they are a young difference maker) doesn't do it for me.
I have no problem being patient if the team continues to be watchable and competes hard.

It has? How do you know?

 

[NYR Viper]

I think what a lot of people need to realize about waiting until the trade deadline is that by then most teams will know where they stand. Thus likely increasing the number of teams who are trying to sell off their players. Sometimes it's much better to make the call early on in the year, commit to it, and get ahead of the meat market.

Also, whatever happened to that mysterious player evaluation deadline AV spoke about? We're over a third of the way through the year and nothing has happened.

It also allows the team to not stand pat in this middle ground of semi contending in their division but not really in contention for the SC.

I agree, I was expecting more heads to roll by now.

 

[Ruggs225]

Agree that we shouldn't trade Cally. He really is a solid middle six forward.

Besides Pouliot, Pyatt, Asham etc who is obvious to get rid of there really isn't much we can do for our forward group.

We don't have a lot of great assets, and our d is kind a in disarray right now with MDZ, Moore and Girardi not playing that well and Staal having injury issues.

Maybe we could trade Girardi and say a Kristo for a top 6 forward. But we can only do that if McIlrath is ready.

Our young forwards (miller, fast, lindberg, kristo) need to start showing some serious progression and try to take the third line spots that are there for the taking.

I'm not sure a trade is there for the making right now until a couple of players from the Cally, Stepan, Girardi, MDZ, Moore, Brassard group start picking up their play.

Until then, I don't think Sather will make a deal when people's values are low.

 

[Trxjw]

If Toronto was interested, I'd trade them Girardi and Boyle for Gardiner and Kulemin right now. Worst case, Kulemin sucks and we flip him for a pick at the deadline. Best case, he finds his game and we get a better return. Either way we have a young, mobile defender to build around.

..though perhaps the worst case would be that he finds his game again, we give him a terrible deal, and then next year he falls back to earth.

 

[Kwayry]

It has? How do you know?

When was the last time the prospect pool was this deep?

Since 2008:
2008: DZ, Stepan
2009: Kreider, Werek (Becomes Lindberg)
2010: McIlrath, Thomas (Kristo), Yogan, Fast
2011: Miller, Fogarty, MSC
2012: Skjei, Nieves, Anderson

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

It has? How do you know?

Well, the '08 draft looks pretty good, and I'd say there's been enough time since then to judge it (Del Zotto/Stepan). '09 draft is looking solid, too, with Kreider (perhaps our best first round pick in over a decade) and using Werek to acquire Lindberg (who I really like a as a future 3C). '10, '11, '12, and '12 drafts are still up for debate, though. I've grown to really like the McIlrath pick, and I really like the pick of Miller, too. Sjkei is having an excellent season. Trading Thomas (our 2nd in '10) for Kristo is a pretty good move, too, IMO. We'll see how they pan out.

Could the drafting be better? Yeah. They still haven't hit that homerun, franchise forward pick, but they've done a pretty good job overall, lately.

 

[slipknottin]

When was the last time the prospect pool was this deep?

Since 2008:
2008: DZ, Stepan
2009: Kreider, Werek (Becomes Lindberg)
2010: McIlrath, Thomas (Kristo), Yogan, Fast
2011: Miller, Fogarty, MSC
2012: Skjei, Nieves, Anderson

It's always deep when they are all young. The question is if any of these guys become nhl players.

Too bad it seems all or most of them are far off still. Mcilrath, Fast, and Miller are probably the only guys to play at all in the nhl in the next calendar year.

 

[Kwayry]

It's always deep when they are all young. The question is if any of these guys become nhl players.

We will see, they still have work to do as I said. But it is definitely better than in the past.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

When was the last time the prospect pool was this deep?

Since 2008:
2008: DZ, Stepan
2009: Kreider, Werek (Becomes Lindberg)
2010: McIlrath, Thomas (Kristo), Yogan, Fast
2011: Miller, Fogarty, MSC
2012: Skjei, Nieves, Anderson

Since the last time.

I dont think these prospects are whats going to rescue this team.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Well, the '08 draft looks pretty good, and I'd say there's been enough time since then to judge it (Del Zotto/Stepan). '09 draft is looking solid, too, with Kreider (perhaps our best first round pick in over a decade) and using Werek to acquire Lindberg (who I really like a as a future 3C). '10, '11, '12, and '12 drafts are still up for debate, though. I've grown to really like the McIlrath pick, and I really like the pick of Miller, too. Sjkei is having an excellent season. Trading Thomas (our 2nd in '10) for Kristo is a pretty good move, too, IMO. We'll see how they pan out.

Could the drafting be better? Yeah. They still haven't hit that homerun, franchise forward pick, but they've done a pretty good job overall, lately.

Is it that much better than the '04-07 drafting?

 

[slipknottin]

There still really is no high end offensive player in that prospect pool.

Duclair may be the closest thing to one. Maybe Kristo. That's about it

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Is it that much better than the '04-07 drafting?

The drafting was pretty good in those years, too. Again, though, just no home run forward pick.

 

[Fitzy]

Are we making the case that NYR's future success depends on drafting well? I don't disagree with that. I'd look at the NCAA success stories that we've been having and prioritize that as a medium of player development in future.

If Lindberg, Fast, Zuccarello pan out, the SEL will be a good option as well.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The drafting was pretty good in those years, too. Again, though, just no home run forward pick.

And there doesnt seem to be a home-run offensive pick since '08 either.

So, when looking at forwards, considering this team hasnt been able to develop a home-run on offense or bottom 6 players, it'd seem that things are getting a bit stale and redundant, wouldnt it?

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

David Bolland can barely skate. We already have a skating issue at center.

neither does Brian Boyle and he is being useless here. at least Bolland can score more than 5 goals a year

 

[GAGLine]

If we really want to draft a young stud, then lets trade away our UFAs, get some young players and picks, and use the picks to move up in the draft.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

neither does Brian Boyle and he is being useless here. at least Bolland can score more than 5 goals a year

So, in your eyes, filling one non-solution with another is a good move?

Okay.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

neither does Brian Boyle and he is being useless here. at least Bolland can score more than 5 goals a year

....on the Chicago Blackhawks.

Never ceases to amaze me how people analyze players around here.

 

[slipknottin]

If we really want to draft a young stud, then lets trade away our UFAs, get some young players and picks, and use the picks to move up in the draft.

I am fine with this. It's a better plan than being stuck in neutral.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

....on the Chicago Blackhawks.

Never ceases to amaze me how people analyze players around here.

He was having a pretty good start with the Leafs before he went down. Solid player but not what we need right now. Also he's injury prone.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I am fine with this. It's a better plan than being stuck in neutral.

It sticks you in neutral for a # of years.

If we are trading our pending free agents, NHL roster players better be coming back the other way. Putting your faith in potentially getting higher picks that may pan out in a # of years is not a real solution.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

If we really want to draft a young stud, then lets trade away our UFAs, get some young players and picks, and use the picks to move up in the draft.

one reason i hope Sather does the smart thing and trade those players that either have no future as part of the Rangers organization or trade those that will try to command a lot before become UFA in the summer of 2014

 

[slipknottin]

It sticks you in neutral for a # of years.

If we are trading our pending free agents, NHL roster players better be coming back the other way. Putting your faith in potentially getting higher picks that may pan out in a # of years is not a real solution.

Going back the other way and being able to pick higher in the draft? I'll take that too.

Lose lose is being an average team year after year.

 

[Fitzy]

3C is not a position I am worried about because NYR have two good prospects that are not far away from being able to hold down that spot.

NYR passed up on an aging Michael Peca to let Dubinsky handle #c duties, and he ended up fitting with Jagr better than Gomez and Drury, and potted 40 points.