Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[NYR Viper]

Players like Matthias and Ott won't cost must. Ott is 31, a UFA at the end of the season and really only does a couple of things well. Same with Matthias. Both are wasted on their current teams and neither should cost more than a lower tier prospect.

I still wouldn't mind Ott as a UFA. Not as a rental though.

I think to get Ott it would cost something like Kristo in return.

Easily.

I can see Ott costing a 2nd, or the Sabres could pull a Gaustad and get a 1st while offering another team a 4th in addition to Ott.

Easily a 2nd.

If Phaneuf hits FA, he's a Ranger. My opinion. Rangers are getting ripped apart in the media for toughness. They've been ripped for their lack of a point shot. Phaneuf fixed one and quazi fixes the other.

I fully expect a 7 year deal worth 7/7.5 inducing a board meltdown.

I wouldn't mind that deal. I realize he has his quarks but he is a 40 point d-man who plays physically and is only 28. 7 years doesn't scare me.

Not that I don't agree but was Tarasenko a flight risk at the time?

Yes, yes he was. A major flight risk.

 

[Shadowtron]

Not that I don't agree but was Tarasenko a flight risk at the time?

Probably. I'm sure they had their reasons. It's just not a move I was happy with, then or now.

 

[NYR Viper]

Probably. I'm sure they had their reasons. It's just not a move I was happy with, then or now.

And if he never comes over? Worth the risk? Leaves the NHL in a year ala Radulov, Kovalchuk and Burmistrov, was it worth it? Have ti overpay him to compete with the KHL, worth it?

Why don't we all just let their careers pan out for a few more years...

 

[slipknottin]

Probably. I'm sure they had their reasons. It's just not a move I was happy with, then or now.

Bigger issue was Miller over Saad.

Saad well on his way to a 50 point season while miller can't get into the league consistently

And that's not to say i dislike miller. But if he was on pace for 50 points this year the depth on this team would be much better

 

[RangerBoy]

In San Jose, GM Doug Wilson has taken his time in contract talks with captain Joe Thornton, along with Patrick Marleau and Dan Boyle, all unrestricted free agents after this season.

He's done it in part because there's a benefit in getting a clear understanding of exactly where the cap is going to be next season. He has that now, and it could help facilitate a deal between the Sharks and Thornton.

Thornton's camp has made the Sharks an offer for a three-year contract worth close to the $7 million per season he's earning right now. Considering the market price for franchise centers right now, along with the healthy increase in the salary cap, San Jose would do well to accept it and get that deal done quickly. Thornton's decision not to gouge his team (or test the market) gives San Jose more flexibility in future deals for Boyle and Marleau if this one gets done soon.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/post/_/id/674/the-impact-of-the-rising-salary-cap

The player is staying in San Jose.

 

[NYR Viper]

Bigger issue was Miller over Saad.

Saad well on his way to a 50 point season while miller can't get into the league consistently

Saad had attitude issues in his draft year. It wasn't just the Rangers who passed on him.

On this point, this is why the Rangers should SELL some of these pieces. When you have numerous picks like the Blackhawks and Blues did, you can afford to take more chances on some boom or bust prospects because you have more chances of hitting on a couple of them. When you need to get NHL players out of just a few picks, it makes that much harder because if the player busts, you are left with a HUGE void in the prospect pool.

 

[NYR Viper]

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/post/_/id/674/the-impact-of-the-rising-salary-cap

The player is staying in San Jose.

That's a good deal for both parties. 3 years is ideal for a 33 year old. 7 million a year for a 70 point center who already has chemistry and is liked by his teammates. He will stay.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

That's a good deal for both parties. 3 years is ideal for a 33 year old. 7 million a year for a 70 point center who already has chemistry and is liked by his teammates. He will stay.

RB has been saying that Gorton was part of the braintrust involved that didn't think Thornton would get a SC done in Boston. Theres no reason to believe Gorton will think otherwise now that Thornton is much older.

Wasn't expecting Thornton to come anyway.

 

[Raspewtin]

Bigger issue was Miller over Saad.

Saad well on his way to a 50 point season while miller can't get into the league consistently

And that's not to say i dislike miller. But if he was on pace for 50 points this year the depth on this team would be much better

Saad was a second round pick with attitude issues that every team passed over once.

Every team is at fault then.

 

[Kwayry]

Is something bad in the water in NYC this season?
All of a sudden the following players are struggling:
Girardi, DZ, Staal (before his injury), J Moore, Callahan, Hagelin, Stepan, Brass and Boyle.
All of a sudden 9 players are underperforming. Must be the water.

Out of that list, Girardi, DZ/Staal (One of them), Callahan, Brass and Boyle are ready to be shipped out

It's tough to trade 1 or 2 roster players and get good value for them, let alone trading 5.

Bernie's proposals don't seem so outrageous all of a sudden.

I don't know what you'd call it, but it's nothing short of an upheaval and a recognition that Sather failed. Good luck with Sather admitting that.

 

[Trxjw]

Saad had attitude issues in his draft year. It wasn't just the Rangers who passed on him.

On this point, this is why the Rangers should SELL some of these pieces. When you have numerous picks like the Blackhawks and Blues did, you can afford to take more chances on some boom or bust prospects because you have more chances of hitting on a couple of them. When you need to get NHL players out of just a few picks, it makes that much harder because if the player busts, you are left with a HUGE void in the prospect pool.

Yeah, too many people view the "stockpiling of picks" as an opportunity to swing for the fences with each one. What it really provides, like you said, is an opportunity to go for those home run picks, while also adding some safer ones.

 

[NYR Viper]

RB has been saying that Gorton was part of the braintrust involved that didn't think Thornton would get a SC done in Boston. Theres no reason to believe Gorton will think otherwise now that Thornton is much older.

Wasn't expecting Thornton to come anyway.

Still will increase the price of the remaining few.

Yeah, too many people view the "stockpiling of picks" as an opportunity to swing for the fences with each one. What it really provides, like you said, is an opportunity to go for those home run picks, while also adding some safer ones.

Exactly. Hard to swing for the fences when you really need to hit on most of your picks.

 

[slipknottin]

Saad was a second round pick with attitude issues that every team passed over once.

Every team is at fault then.

It's not just a Saad thing though. They have four players they have drafted playing offense for them.

Hagelin, Kreider, stepan, and Callahan.

Compare to Blackhawks
Bickel
Kane
Kruger
Morin
Saad
Shaw
Smith
Toews


The rangers have no bottom 6 players that they have drafted. Instead they have to overpay either in trades or FA to get some

 

[NYR Viper]

It's not just a Saad thing though. They have four players they have drafted playing offense for them.

Hagelin, Kreider, stepan, and Callahan.

Compare to Blackhawks
Bickel
Kane
Kruger
Morin
Saad
Shaw
Smith
Toews

Key words "for them":

Korpikoski
Dubinsky
Anisimov
Pyatt (Tom)


You also missed Dominic Moore on his second stint.

And we are just ignoring defense?

Staal
Del Zotto
Girardi (undrafted FA)

Others:
Tyutin
Zidlicky

Does McDonagh count?


The Hawks didn't have to trade for their top-end players, they sucked enough to get them via the draft. Take away the Nash trade and the Rangers have Dubinksy and Anisimov to go along with that group.

On the Rangers:
Stepan
Kreider
Hagelin
Dubinsky
Anisimov
Moore
Callahan

Undrafted FA's:
Zuccarello

Traded for prior to being in the NHL:
Boyle

Elsewhere:
Korpkoski
Pyatt

Defense:
Staal
Del Zotto

Undrafted FA's:
Girardi

Traded for prior to being in the NHL:
McDonagh

Stralman was out of the NHL and they signed him. Does that count?

 

[Trxjw]

It's not just a Saad thing though. They have four players they have drafted playing offense for them.

Hagelin, Kreider, stepan, and Callahan.

Compare to Blackhawks
Bickel
Kane
Kruger
Morin
Saad
Shaw
Smith
Toews


The rangers have no bottom 6 players that they have drafted. Instead they have to overpay either in trades or FA to get some

That's because they traded 3 of them away in the last few years. Dubinsky, Anisimov and Korpikoski.

 

[slipknottin]

I was only talking about offensive players.

Rangers traded most of theirs away

People wanted to know where the depth is. That's your answer.

Moving a line of good players for one very good player.

 

[Ola]

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/post/_/id/674/the-impact-of-the-rising-salary-cap

The player is staying in San Jose.

Normally at best 25% of the big UFAs at this time of the year are still available when it comes to July 1st.

On top of that, its very rare that a "rich" team lets a player like that go. I would be very suprised if Joe T or Phaneuf hits the market...

 

[NYR Viper]

I was only talking about offensive players.

Rangers traded most of theirs away

People wanted to know where the depth is. That's your answer.

Moving a line of good players for one very good player.

Exactly. Necessary evil when you don't draft them.

 

[slipknottin]

Exactly. Necessary evil when you don't draft them.

It's not though. It solves nothing.

Bottom of the barrel bottom 6 in exchange for one top offensive player just doesn't work.

If the rangers could consistently find bottom 6 players in the draft they could trade those guys away.

But of the past 10 drafts how many offensive ranger draft picks are still playing in the nhl? 8? 9?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Bigger issue was Miller over Saad.

Saad well on his way to a 50 point season while miller can't get into the league consistently

And that's not to say i dislike miller. But if he was on pace for 50 points this year the depth on this team would be much better

These arguments just frustrate the hell out of me.

1. All 30 teams passed on Saad at least once. The BLACKHAWKS passed on him 3 times!
2. Put Miller into Chicago's top 6 (and system) and see how he produces...

 

[slipknottin]

These arguments just frustrate the hell out of me.

1. All 30 teams passed on Saad at least once. The BLACKHAWKS passed on him 3 times!
2. Put Miller into Chicago's top 6 (and system) and see how he produces...

It wasent my point to pick out just Saad. It was my point that the rangers have really struggled finding any sort of offensive players. All they have drafted in the past 6+ seasons that are contributing now are stepan, Kreider, and Hagelin.

 

[Ola]

Who? Callahan?

His game likely falling off a cliff after the age of 30 is a damn good reason not to sign him until hes 36.

Him and Girardi have a ton of mileage on them.

Why? He got a light body and keeps himself in great shape. Cally isn't that involved either. Like does he take more of a beating than Lucic?

There are plenty of players like Cally that played well 'till 36.

You won't sign Cally to a 3 year deal. 5 year is the minimum. For 5 years, you have to pay him a ton for all those years. Slap on another 3 years to bring the cap hit down.

Slats really screwing up here. Soon we will see the cap at 90-100m while our competitiors are paying their core players 5m per because they used the tools available to them under the CBA. There are few UFAs available and the cap will grow by alot in the coming years. You are going to see really high cap hits for the UFAs that hit the market. You are going to see high cap hits for RFA's resigned. The price is going up. It -- is -- going to be 12m per for the best players, 10m per for the players below that level, and 8m per for the 3rd tier guys. 5.8m per or whatever on a 8 year deal for Cally is not a bad signing.

If he is injured, you have LTIR. Its not like Cally would hit our cap if he is hurt.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's not though. It solves nothing.

Bottom of the barrel bottom 6 in exchange for one top offensive player just doesn't work.

If the rangers could consistently find bottom 6 players in the draft they could trade those guys away.

But of the past 10 drafts how many offensive ranger draft picks are still playing in the nhl? 8? 9?

They can and do consistently fond them though. Kreider is a rookie this year. Zuccarello has started to produce. They have players on the way, they just need another year of seasoning.

I wish they had 1 more player who is ready but they don't right now. They ar ebeing patient and as painful as it is to watch the Pouliot's and Pyatt's of the world this season, it is the better decision to allow players like Kristo and Lindberg to play in the AHL and get big minutes at least for half the season.

 

[slipknottin]

They can and do consistently fond them though. Kreider is a rookie this year. Zuccarello has started to produce. They have players on the way, they just need another year of seasoning.

I wish they had 1 more player who is ready but they don't right now. They ar ebeing patient and as painful as it is to watch the Pouliot's and Pyatt's of the world this season, it is the better decision to allow players like Kristo and Lindberg to play in the AHL and get big minutes at least for half the season.

It's not a patience thing that's the problem. It's a quantity problem. If you find a couple guys a year for years on end you have a constant supply of new guys, you don't need to wait another year for someone new. Rangers struggle to add one new forward a year. Like I said, I think they have found 8 guys the past 10 years that are still playing in the NHL. That's terrible.

And I'm not even including Zucc because he was undrafted. Other teams find those guys too. The hawks sure do

As for Kristo and lindberg, I have some hope for them, but neither is really a high end talent. Lindberg might fit as a bottom 6 center. Kristo I'm not sure where he will end up. He had more talent that lindberg, but not nearly the well rounded game

 

[Ruggs225]

It's not though. It solves nothing.

Bottom of the barrel bottom 6 in exchange for one top offensive player just doesn't work.

If the rangers could consistently find bottom 6 players in the draft they could trade those guys away.

But of the past 10 drafts how many offensive ranger draft picks are still playing in the nhl? 8? 9?

I started at the 2000 NHL draft b/c quite honestly not too many picks are playing yet from the last 3 drafts.

D Moore
Cally
Dubi
Korpi
Anisimov
Hagelin
Stepan
Weise
Kreider

shuttle between NHL and AHL
Miller
Horak
Tom Pyatt
Christian Thomas (only 1 NHL game though)
Fast