Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[Raspewtin]

Letang? Shattenkirk? I guess it depends on what you call a first line Dman. I have no clue

We're better off trading for a really good RHD prospect and bringing him along ourselves (Cody Ceci, Ryan Pulock, Mirco Mueller).

I still say we take a big run at Phaneuf in FA.

 

[RangersHank*]

Even so, he hasn't been a noticeable force on the ice. He has cut down on some of the bone-headed decisions he made last year, but he is still a defensive liability and looks like a passenger half the time.

I have always felt that for Richards to avoid being bought out, he would have to be substantially better than how he has played his past 2 seasons as a Ranger, and I don't find that to be the case this year.

Agreed but how good can he play with these players when you think about it?

 

[Tawnos]

Cap-recapture, for one.

We need to get away from this thinking where the first question is "How are we going to replace this guy?" It leads to short-term, half-assed decision making. We need a confident GM in here thats committed to a direction, even if it involves a short-term step backwards.

You dont get rid of Richards this offseason, you're stuck with him for another 6 years. Who the hell needs that?

Technically, there's still the option of the non-compliance buyout down the road.

Either way, I agree to an extent. If the decision has been made that this team is not a competitive team, then there's no need to replace Richards.

That begs the question, though. What exactly would a step backwards involve and how much of it are you comfortable with? For example, if Richards is bought out and Brassard isn't qualified, are you comfortable penciling in Miller and Lindberg as our 2 and 3 centers? Do we need to have warm bodies in the event those guys really need more AHL time?

I'm not entirely opposed to that kind of arrangement, I'm just curious what a long-term plan means, in practicality, for the near-term.

 

[RangersHank*]

We're better off trading for a really good RHD prospect and bringing him along ourselves (Cody Ceci, Ryan Pulock, Mirco Mueller).

I still say we take a big run at Phaneuf in FA.

True. That would work.

I dont think we go after Phaneuf.

 

[Raspewtin]

Girardi, Staal, Callahan for Yakupov and J Schultz??

Massive overpayment.

I'm not a fan of dealing all three (or even two) together unless we get an incredible return.

 

[GAGLine]

Resigning any of them shouldn't be an issue for them. They have plenty of cap space

Cap space means nothing if the players don't want to play there.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Yep. It's probably what the oilers need.

A hard working leader.

Two defensemen who can play big minutes on a top line.

Resigning any of them shouldn't be an issue for them. They have plenty of cap space

You're assuming that Callahan and Girardi would sign there.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Technically, there's still the option of the non-compliance buyout down the road.

Either way, I agree to an extent. If the decision has been made that this team is not a competitive team, then there's no need to replace Richards.

That begs the question, though. What exactly would a step backwards involve and how much of it are you comfortable with? For example, if Richards is bought out and Brassard isn't qualified, are you comfortable penciling in Miller and Lindberg as our 2 and 3 centers? Do we need to have warm bodies in the event those guys really need more AHL time?

I'm not entirely opposed to that kind of arrangement, I'm just curious what a long-term plan means, in practicality, for the near-term.

If the options aren't out there, I wouldnt be opposed to going that route. I want players here that are targeted and part of a long-term plan.

If Glen Sather buys out Richards, he will sign Joe Thornton, which is the same old ****.

 

[Raspewtin]

True. That would work.

I dont think we go after Phaneuf.

Cause think about it, what really good #1, #2, hell even #3 RHD is available ever?

I would just throw a party if this team managed to get Ceci or Pulock. I'd actually throw a party, and everyone would be invited.

 

[slipknottin]

Massive overpayment.

I'm not a fan of dealing all three (or even two) together unless we get an incredible return.

I don't think it's massive at all.

Staal should be traded. He's not reliable.

Girardi is going to want a big long term deal, which probably is stupid to give him

Callahan is going to break down in another couple years

 

[slipknottin]

You're assuming that Callahan and Girardi would sign there.

Why wouldn't they if the money is right.

 

[Raspewtin]

I don't think it's massive at all.

Staal should be traded. He's not reliable.

Girardi is going to want a big long term deal, which probably is stupid to give him

Callahan is going to break down in another couple years

I call it an overpayment because Yakupov's value is awful right now. He has the worst +/- in the league, that can't be ignored. Neither can his comments about Russia, and him not interested in playing D. Regardless of what Oilers fans think, he's not worth a hell of a lot right now.

 

[RangersHank*]

Cause think about it, what really good #1, #2, hell even #3 RHD is available ever?

I would just throw a party if this team managed to get Ceci or Pulock. I'd actually throw a party, and everyone would be invited.

I agree. We need a young puck moving RD in the system.

I hope i'm invited lol

 

[Raspewtin]

I agree. We need a young puck moving RD in the system.

I hope i'm invited lol

Everyone's invited, even bern .

 

[slipknottin]

I call it an overpayment because Yakupov's value is awful right now. He has the worst +/- in the league, that can't be ignored. Neither can his comments about Russia, and him not interested in playing D. Regardless of what Oilers fans think, he's not worth a hell of a lot right now.

If you think that is legitimately too much to give up, then you ask for the oilers first round pick back as well.

 

[Trxjw]

He's already killing himself making up for no offense, no goalie, girardi playing like poo, and 2 other D lines that can't do anything

So you add Schultz who helps with one of those, and then in your next post advocating trading Girardi and Staal in the deal as well, which makes our defense significantly worse. Not sure how any of this helps the team.

 

[RangersHank*]

Everyone's invited, even bern .

Lol we can all play NHL 14 and watch Bern make all the crazy trades

 

[OverTheCap]

Agreed but how good can he play with these players when you think about it?

Linemates shouldn't be an excuse for Richards, especially because he was once a player that made his linemates better. He played some of his best hockey on a line with Fedotenko and Modin when he won the Conn Smythe.

Even so, he has had plenty of opportunities to play with both Nash and Gaborik in his Rangers tenure and didn't develop great chemistry with either of them.

 

[slipknottin]

So you add Schultz who helps with one of those, and then in your next post advocating trading Girardi and Staal in the deal as well, which makes our defense significantly worse. Not sure how any of this helps the team.

Staal isn't playing now. And having to resign girardi this offseason to a 5+ year deal for significant money doesn't help anything going forward.

Schultz can improve defensively. He's still a rookie. (Or close anyway).

You have some younger pieces in MDZ, Moore, Stralman, and then Mcilrath and Allen.

Financially it makes no sense at all to resign staal and girardi long term with high prospects behind them. Unless you plan on just moving the prospects

 

[Fitzy]

Value is subjective, however, so while Yakupov's play might have slipped, to me his value is still high because other teams in the league rate him highly and would like to trade for him.

If he becomes available for trade, NYR still have to beat all the other bids for him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Why wouldn't they if the money is right.

Your not looking at the bigger picture. The package you propose gives the Oilers past this season and the only asset that's controllable past this season is currently concussed and has been dealing with injuries for the better part of two seasons now.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Lol we can all play NHL 14 and watch Bern make all the crazy trades

i did that already


RANGERS TRADE POULIOT AND MCCOLGAN to YOTES for SAMUELSSON 5th 2014 6TH 7TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE RICHARDS (2.0) ZUCCARELLO NICHOLLS ASHAM TO SENATORS FOR CECI LAZAR PUEMPEL SMITH 5TH

RANGERS TRADE DEL ZOTTO AND DUCLAIR TO JETS FOR EVANDER KANE, LUKAS SUTTER, 4TH 6TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE STAAL TO CANES FOR MURPHY ELIAS LINDHOLM, BROCK MCGINN 2ED 5TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE GIRARDI DOM MOORE BOYLE TO DUCKS FOR HAMPUS LINDHOLM, SAMI VATANEN MATT BELEKSEY AND 6TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE NASH TO FLAMES FOR MORGAN KLIMCHUK, SEAN MONAHAN, 3RD 4TH 6TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE RYAN CALLAHAN ST.CROIX AND JEAN TO WILD FOR CHARLIE COYLE MATHEW DUMBA 2ED (WPG) 2014, 3RD 2014 AND 4TH 2014

too bad none of these will happen.. i have a real 4th line of Beleksey Smith Dorsett/Beach

 

[RangersHank*]

Linemates shouldn't be an excuse for Richards, especially because he was once a player that made his linemates better. He played some of his best hockey on a line with Fedotenko and Modin when he won the Conn Smythe.

Even so, he has had plenty of opportunities to play with both Nash and Gaborik in his Rangers tenure and didn't develop great chemistry with either of them.

That was 10 years ago. He needs help now

 

[slipknottin]

Your not looking at the bigger picture. The package you propose gives the Oilers past this season and the only asset that's controllable past this season is currently concussed and has been dealing with injuries for the better part of two seasons now.

And the oilers can certainly attempt to resign Callahan and girardi. They have a far better shot at it with exclusive negotiating rights for the rest of the year than they do trying to get them in FA.

And cally, in particular, is exactly what the oilers need.

In return the oilers are giving up one promising young defensman, and a forward with skill but a ton of issues, and they rarely play him.

 

[RangersHank*]

i did that already


RANGERS TRADE POULIOT AND MCCOLGAN to YOTES for SAMUELSSON 5th 2014 6TH 7TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE RICHARDS (2.0) ZUCCARELLO NICHOLLS ASHAM TO SENATORS FOR CECI LAZAR PUEMPEL SMITH 5TH

RANGERS TRADE DEL ZOTTO AND DUCLAIR TO JETS FOR EVANDER KANE, LUKAS SUTTER, 4TH 6TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE STAAL TO CANES FOR MURPHY ELIAS LINDHOLM, BROCK MCGINN 2ED 5TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE GIRARDI DOM MOORE BOYLE TO DUCKS FOR HAMPUS LINDHOLM, SAMI VATANEN MATT BELEKSEY AND 6TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE NASH TO FLAMES FOR MORGAN KLIMCHUK, SEAN MONAHAN, 3RD 4TH 6TH 2014

RANGERS TRADE RYAN CALLAHAN ST.CROIX AND JEAN TO WILD FOR CHARLIE COYLE MATHEW DUMBA 2ED (WPG) 2014, 3RD 2014 AND 4TH 2014

too bad none of these will happen.. i have a real 4th line of Beleksey Smith Dorsett/Beach

I still have nhl 13 and i traded Nash for Brett Connolly and a 1st