Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I still have nhl 13 and i traded Nash for Brett Connolly and a 1st

NICE.. IN NHL 2013 I DEALT Del Zotto Boyle and Zuccarello for Gudas, Connolly, Kucherov and 4th lmao

 

[Tawnos]

If the options aren't out there, I wouldnt be opposed to going that route. I want players here that are targeted and part of a long-term plan.

If Glen Sather buys out Richards, he will sign Joe Thornton, which is the same old ****.

So, if there are any UFAs out there, they need to be, say, 27 or 28 and sign them on a maximum 5 year deal, provided they fit the plan laid out? Everything else through draft or opportune trades.

Honestly, in this era, that's exactly how teams should be operated. Further, that's exactly how this team operated for a few years between 2008 and 2011. Starting with the Richards signing, we went away from that. The problem is, how long can you stick to that plan when you don't have high-end offensive talent coming along in it?

The Rangers plan at the end of the decade was good, but it didn't work out. To make up for some terrible holes, they overreached in the Richards signing and the Nash trade. If anything, I actually think the biggest mistake they made was taking defensemen in 4 of 6 first rounds immediately post-lockout. Either the Sangs or DZ pick should have been a forward.

Now, the plan is blown up and completely shot. There needs to be a new one.

 

[OverTheCap]

That was 10 years ago. He needs help now

Like I said, he has played on a line with both Gaborik and Nash. He isn't getting better linemates than that, especially on the Rangers where skill players are in short supply. And if he needs linemates to help him out, then he's probably not worth an almost $7 million cap hit.

 

[richardsequalscup*]

It's about improving the team with better role players. Better 3rd and 4th line players. Player who do one or two things very well. Like win faceoffs. Like hit and police other teams goons. Like play hard, you know, every game, every shift instead of the bumbling idiot role players we have now.

Ott is having a miserable season and there is no way he will resign there. It would be pretty easy for Sather to package D. Moore, Pyatt and a prospect like Hrvik for Ott and then the Rangers can sign him to an extension. Players don't want to leave the Rangers. Buffalo has enough picks and the reality is that they aren't going to get very much for Ott. He's 31, has to be re-signed and really is a specialist. He's a good faceoff guy and an agitator. Other than that, he's not the valuable. He just happens to be a guy that the Rangers need because of the couple of things he does well.

Another role player they should target is Matthias. He's another guy that won't command a big return. His offense is not really impressive. He has to be on a good team for him to give you any offense. However, he plays hard, hits, is good in the corners and wears down defenses. Something our crappy role players don't do. Again, an offer of Pouliot, St. Croix and Anderson probably would get it done. He's essentially a waste for the Panthers.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So, if there are any UFAs out there, they need to be, say, 27 or 28 and sign them on a maximum 5 year deal, provided they fit the plan laid out? Everything else through draft or opportune trades.

Honestly, in this era, that's exactly how teams should be operated. Further, that's exactly how this team operated for a few years between 2008 and 2011. Starting with the Richards signing, we went away from that. The problem is, how long can you stick to that plan when you don't have high-end offensive talent coming along in it?

The Rangers plan at the end of the decade was good, but it didn't work out. To make up for some terrible holes, they overreached in the Richards signing and the Nash trade. If anything, I actually think the biggest mistake they made was taking defensemen in 4 of 6 first rounds immediately post-lockout. Either the Sangs or DZ pick should have been a forward.

Now, the plan is blown up and completely shot. There needs to be a new one.

As a fan, Sather has ****ed me up so bad that Im ready and willing for a new GM to come in and pitch ANY sort of plan to me. Heres the type of team we want to be, heres how long its going to take, heres how we are going to go about it. Thats all I ask for. I literally don't care what the plan is as long as there is one.

In other words, I don't want a bumbling 70 year old fool, who hasn't won a thing in over 20 years, acting like a big-shot and waxing poetic about "winning a Stanley Cup," when his teams - year after year - aren't capable of that.

 

[LORDE]

That is the way a good organization should be run. Just flat out tell the players agent, if you don't lower your demands, we will be moving them. Don't let it hang over the team. Make a decision and be decisive.

Maybe they've been so informed.

Neither is having a very good yr. I'm not saying that they're tanking it, but if a player is told "We're moving you unless you take a massive underpayment" maybe you don't give it your all?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's about improving the team with better role players. Better 3rd and 4th line players. Player who do one or two things very well. Like win faceoffs. Like hit and police other teams goons. Like play hard, you know, every game, every shift instead of the bumbling idiot role players we have now.

Ott is having a miserable season and there is no way he will resign there. It would be pretty easy for Sather to package D. Moore, Pyatt and a prospect like Hrvik for Ott and then the Rangers can sign him to an extension. Players don't want to leave the Rangers. Buffalo has enough picks and the reality is that they aren't going to get very much for Ott. He's 31, has to be re-signed and really is a specialist. He's a good faceoff guy and an agitator. Other than that, he's not the valuable. He just happens to be a guy that the Rangers need because of the couple of things he does well.

Another role player they should target is Matthias. He's another guy that won't command a big return. His offense is not really impressive. He has to be on a good team for him to give you any offense. However, he plays hard, hits, is good in the corners and wears down defenses. Something our crappy role players don't do. Again, an offer of Pouliot, St. Croix and Anderson probably would get it done. He's essentially a waste for the Panthers.

Its not just about that. Its about everything.

This team needs more top 6 talent, they need more bottom 6 talent, they need toughness. Hell, they even need defense help, which used to be something that was actually OK.

 

[NYR Viper]

Maybe they've been so informed.

Neither is having a very good yr. I'm not saying that they're tanking it, but if a player is told "We're moving you unless you take a massive underpayment" maybe you don't give it your all?

Wouldn't it be the exact opposite? They know they are going to hit UFA so they try harder to get a payday?

 

[richardsequalscup*]

Top 6 talent is rarely available during the season and if it is, it cost a ton. You start with what you can do. Right now our third and fourth line players other than Dorsett, are lazy, lack courage, play with no fire and don't want to win. You start there because you have a realistic opportunity to fix that. Then you see what the off-season brings you.

 

[slipknottin]

Wouldn't it be the exact opposite? They know they are going to hit UFA so they try harder to get a payday?

I think the whole concept of "guys try harder in contract years" is nonsense. Some play better some play worse.

Additional pressure of not having a future and wanting to prove you're value could just be added stress and harm your game just as easily, IMO

 

[slipknottin]

Top 6 talent is rarely available during the season and if it is, it cost a ton. You start with what you can do. Right now our third and fourth line players other than Dorsett, are lazy, lack courage, play with no fire and don't want to win. You start there because you have a realistic opportunity to fix that. Then you see what the off-season brings you.

How do you fix the bottom 6 without trading any of the future potential?

Really the only guys with significant value in the org are guys like Miller, Mcilrath, maybe Kristo, and maybe Allen.

That's it. Nobody is going to take Pouliot or Pyatt and offer a legit bottom 6 player in exchange.

Are you willing to move a guy like girardi for a bottom 6 player?

 

[LORDE]

Wouldn't it be the exact opposite? They know they are going to hit UFA so they try harder to get a payday?

I dunno.

Everyone around here is always beating the "change of scenery" drum. You could look at the entire body of work and sign them, or you could look at their 1/2 season with a struggling NYR club and think it's an anomaly.

Either way they get paid.

 

[Tawnos]

I dunno.

Everyone around here is always beating the "change of scenery" drum. You could look at the entire body of work and sign them, or you could look at their 1/2 season with a struggling NYR club and think it's an anomaly.

Either way they get paid.

Those guys usually end up getting the Alex Frolov treatment. A 1-year prove it contract signed in late-July or early-August.

 

[LORDE]

Those guys usually end up getting the Alex Frolov treatment. A 1-year prove it contract signed in late-July or early-August.

Frolov wasn't an All Star D-man.

Or Captain of his team.

I get your point, I just think either could have a "rough" yr on a craptastic team, and still get paid.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Wouldn't it be the exact opposite? They know they are going to hit UFA so they try harder to get a payday?

You have to think about whats being asked of those 2 guys and the type of players they are. Its one thing about a guy making too much money -- its something else when the team is trying to go in a different direction (at least this year) compared to your strong suits as a player.

 

[richardsequalscup*]

Players like Matthias and Ott won't cost must. Ott is 31, a UFA at the end of the season and really only does a couple of things well. Same with Matthias. Both are wasted on their current teams and neither should cost more than a lower tier prospect.

 

[slipknottin]

Players like Matthias and Ott won't cost must. Ott is 31, a UFA at the end of the season and really only does a couple of things well. Same with Matthias. Both are wasted on their current teams and neither should cost more than a lower tier prospect.

I think to get Ott it would cost something like Kristo in return.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Players like Matthias and Ott won't cost must. Ott is 31, a UFA at the end of the season and really only does a couple of things well. Same with Matthias. Both are wasted on their current teams and neither should cost more than a lower tier prospect.

For all the reasons you mention, they are going to cost a lot. Very attractive as rentals.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

For all the reasons you mention, they are going to cost a lot. Very attractive as rentals.

I can see Ott costing a 2nd, or the Sabres could pull a Gaustad and get a 1st while offering another team a 4th in addition to Ott.

 

[Shadowtron]

So, if there are any UFAs out there, they need to be, say, 27 or 28 and sign them on a maximum 5 year deal, provided they fit the plan laid out? Everything else through draft or opportune trades.

Honestly, in this era, that's exactly how teams should be operated. Further, that's exactly how this team operated for a few years between 2008 and 2011. Starting with the Richards signing, we went away from that. The problem is, how long can you stick to that plan when you don't have high-end offensive talent coming along in it?

The Rangers plan at the end of the decade was good, but it didn't work out. To make up for some terrible holes, they overreached in the Richards signing and the Nash trade. If anything, I actually think the biggest mistake they made was taking defensemen in 4 of 6 first rounds immediately post-lockout. Either the Sangs or DZ pick should have been a forward.

Now, the plan is blown up and completely shot. There needs to be a new one.

I feel the same way. I hate...hate...hate to bring this up, but for a team starved for upper end offensive talent, you don't skip over a Tarasenko and take a McIlrath.

 

[RangersHank*]

NICE.. IN NHL 2013 I DEALT Del Zotto Boyle and Zuccarello for Gudas, Connolly, Kucherov and 4th lmao

Not bad. I wanted Kucherov but his value was really high. I also traded Hank and a 1st for Subban (goalie) and Sequin and 2 picks from Boston

 

[RangersHank*]

I feel the same way. I hate...hate...hate to bring this up, but for a team starved for upper end offensive talent, you don't skip over Tarasenko and take a McIlrath.

I hate to bring it up too but we also passed on Schwartz, Etem, Coyle, Tarasenko, Bennett. Sorry

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

If Phaneuf hits FA, he's a Ranger. My opinion. Rangers are getting ripped apart in the media for toughness. They've been ripped for their lack of a point shot. Phaneuf fixed one and quazi fixes the other.

I fully expect a 7 year deal worth 7/7.5 inducing a board meltdown.

 

[LORDE]

I feel the same way. I hate...hate...hate to bring this up, but for a team starved for upper end offensive talent, you don't skip over Tarasenko and take a McIlrath.

Not that I don't agree but was Tarasenko a flight risk at the time?

 

[Raspewtin]

If Phaneuf hits FA, he's a Ranger. My opinion. Rangers are getting ripped apart in the media for toughness. They've been ripped for their lack of a point shot. Phaneuf fixed one and quazi fixes the other.

I fully expect a 7 year deal worth 7/7.5 inducing a board meltdown.

Make it 6 years and I'm good.

Phaneuf is SO much better than he gets credit for.