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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VII: Shake Up

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RangerBoy said:
How many years did Clarkson get? 7. Callahan will command 7 as a free agent. The Rangers can not under any circumstances sign Callahan to a 7 or 8 year contract. The Rangers can give him 8 because he is their player. He will be 29. Clarkson took less money to sign in Toronto after Edmonton offered more dollars.

Same thing with Girardi. He has two young children to support and this is his last contract. 7 or 8 for him too. These players see the cap going up. They want to get paid. You can't blame them. You can't blame Cano for taking 10 years and $240M instead of 7 years and $175M. Girardi will be 30.

That's the issue with Callahan and Girardi.

The Rangers really didn't want to give Henrik 7 years but they wanted to get the contract done. They offered six. He wanted eight.

Callahan and Girardi aren't Lundqvist. Both of them are good players. They're not the best player at their positions.

Business is business.
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This. Callahan and Girardi are (2) of the upper-echelon free agents of this class. They will get paid with the cap going up to 71 million and higher after that. Teams will be spending big time.
 
Raspewtin said:
What do they have other than that? Anaheim's a one line team, but it's working so I guess you can't complain.
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Huh? Bonino has 23 points.

Cogliano has 9 goals. More than any Ranger (well tied with Richards)

I can show how the ducks bottom 6 is far better than the rangers as well
 
Ola said:
I definitely think that its a tremendous misstake not to give him a long contract.

Like, I can't see a single reason for why we shouldn't give him a long contarct.
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Who? Callahan?

His game likely falling off a cliff after the age of 30 is a damn good reason not to sign him until hes 36.

Him and Girardi have a ton of mileage on them.
 
As long as cally and girardi doesn't Get a NMC clause in theire New contracts, I'm ok with keeping them both..

I know the NMC clause isn't worth the paper printed on, but it gives them more power..
 
This team could do a one year re-tool between the trade deadline and the offseason.

MDZ + Brassard + 2nd for Gudbranson + Matthias.

Staal for Skinner.

Girardi for B. Connolly + 2nd

Resign Callahan, Boyle, D. Moore, Stralman, MZA.

Sign Phanuef and Stastny.

Krieder - Stepan - Nash
Skinner - Stastny - MZA
Hagelin - Matthias/Bolland - Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett

McD - Gudbranson
Phanuef - Stralman
Moore - McI

Lundqvist
Talbot

Or try to sign Bolland for that 3rd line center spot.


...I might have just had a Bernmeister moment.
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
This team could do a one year re-tool between the trade deadline and the offseason.

MDZ + Brassard + 2nd for Gudbranson + Matthias.

Staal for Skinner.

Girardi for B. Connolly + 2nd

Resign Callahan, Boyle, D. Moore, Stralman, MZA.

Sign Phanuef and Stastny.

Krieder - Stepan - Nash
Skinner - Stastny - MZA
Hagelin - Matthias/Bolland - Callahan
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett

McD - Gudbranson
Phanuef - Stralman
Moore - McI

Lundqvist
Talbot

Or try to sign Bolland for that 3rd line center spot.


...I might have just had a Bernmeister moment.
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Perhaps. Trading 4 players? Seems unlikely.
 
Sather has no vision. He doesn't know what he wants the Rangers to be. Other executives in the NHL and other sports discuss having a vision of what type of team they have or want and how they plan to compete for a championship. Sather discusses winning the Cup. How do you get there? Everyone wants to win the Stanley Cup.
 
People saying it's unlikely Sather would trade several core players, are they forgetting 2004?
 
So many articles try to address the Rangers' problems but few of them even bother to mention Sather. Way to hold the mastermind of this mess accountable.

Brooks used to criticize Sather but hasn't done so yet this season. Instead he's too busy writing articles about Prust's departure.
 
Blurt Vision said:
People saying it's unlikely Sather would trade several core players, are they forgetting 2004?
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We were out of the playoffs and a new CBA was on the horizon. If Sather thinks we have even a remote chance at the playoffs, he won't trade away our "core" guys.
 
I still think part of the problem is trying to acquire that one top player at the expense of a bunch of good ones.

Who are the stars on the Blues? Instead of trying to get 1 40 goal guy and a bunch of 10 goal guys, they construct a roster full of 20-30 goal players.

That's the only way you can manage the cap. You can't acquire top players in FA and field a competitive team year in and year out

You keep any 20 goal scorer you have for moderate money. You try to find elite talent in the draft. You avoid any big name FAs.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Very different situation, and even then, that whole thing was pretty half-assed.

Did the Rangers get anything worthwhile out of that purge?
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Sauer? Anyway, if it happened once...not saying it's likely again but, who knows?

Trader Glen is a different animal to spending Glen. Maybe he really does want to win a Cup here.
 
People need to realize that there's a middle ground between buying a team every summer and blowing it up. A team can take a step back for a year and still manage to be competitive again very quickly.

Move Callahan and Girardi. Those two guys would fetch a solid return from teams that are going for it this year. Those are the kind of players GM's love to add to their team and there aren't any movement clauses to get in the way. You'd get an even better return if you flipped them to a team that wanted to sign them.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
You can rejigger the bottom six in any fantasy way you wat, but that top six is still bad.
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Yuup.

Here's my line up:

XXXX - XXXX - Nash
Kreider - Stepan - XXXX
Hagelin - Brassard - Zuccs
Miller - Lindberg - Dorsett

Need a top line LW'er, a top line center, a 2nd line RW

With the cap going up and Richards buyout (god I hope he gets bought out) my targets for those spots is.

Steen for the LW position. Even before the white hot start I have been a fan. Solid scorer, defensively responsible. Size and skating ability. probably looking for a bit more than he is worth as it hs typically a 20 goal 25+ assist type of player. If we could get him for 5.5 over 5 years that would be a nice add. That's a big IF I know.

The top line center position is going to be a harder player to get as the UFA market is pretty barren with top notch players there. The league has become very dependant on making sure your centers are tied up. Knowing Sather I can see him going after Joe Thornton. I don't agree with it, but 3 years at 6.5 per is a deal I can see being offered. 35 to start the season, playing in the softer Eastern Conference can probably prolong his career.

2nd line RW I look to fill from within. Maybe take a flier on Setoguchi. Good size, great speed and can score. Addign his speed to Kreider and Hagelin can give this team a dimension it currently lacks.

These guys provide, size, speed, skill and they have played and produced in the tougher Western Conference.

Steen - Thornton - Nash
Kreider - Stepan - Zuccs
Hagelin - Brassard - Setoguchi
Miller - Lindberg - Dorsett

Better than what we have now...IMHO
 
slipknottin said:
I still think part of the problem is trying to acquire that one top player at the expense of a bunch of good ones.

Who are the stars on the Blues? Instead of trying to get 1 40 goal guy and a bunch of 10 goal guys, they construct a roster full of 20-30 goal players.

That's the only way you can manage the cap. You can't acquire top players in FA and field a competitive team year in and year out

You keep any 20 goal scorer you have for moderate money. You try to find elite talent in the draft. You avoid any big name FAs.
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I think the idea was that it was easier to replace those 15-20 goal scorers over the subsequent 2-3 years when you have the 40 goal scorer, at which time, you would be in better shape. It has been harder than I am sure they thought it would be.

Trxjw said:
People need to realize that there's a middle ground between buying a team every summer and blowing it up. A team can take a step back for a year and still manage to be competitive again very quickly.

Move Callahan and Girardi. Those two guys would fetch a solid return from teams that are going for it this year. Those are the kind of players GM's love to add to their team and there aren't any movement clauses to get in the way. You'd get an even better return if you flipped them to a team that wanted to sign them.
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I agree. Those types of moves make too much sense though. Sather won't do it.
 
RangerBoy said:
Sather has no vision. He doesn't know what he wants the Rangers to be. Other executives in the NHL and other sports discuss having a vision of what type of team they have or want and how they plan to compete for a championship. Sather discusses winning the Cup. How do you get there? Everyone wants to win the Stanley Cup.
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Exactly. Every year Sather writes a new script for the roster. Nothing grows if you're constantly tilling the soil.
 
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