Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Something

[Ail]

so trading gaborik for 3 young players is now considered a screw the future 'let's go for the cup' move??

The Rick Nash trade was a "screw the future" let's go for it move. The Gaborik trade was an attempt to replace depth lost when trading for Nash and it was clear that Nash alone was not going to be them over the top. It's not like they moved Gaborik for picks and prospects. If Sather doesn't make the first "screw the future" move he doesn't have to make the Gaborik trade for those assets specifically.

Either way, is anyone here actually going to argue Sather is a sit on his hands and do nothing GM?

 

[Ail]

and don't get me wrong i think sather sucks and should have been fired years ago lol

Yes, something we can all agree on.

 

[TheTakedown]

Not a young player, but definitely a move to "put the team over the top." Three roster players came back.

You can argue about what Dubinsky is or isn't all day, but Arty, Dubi and Erixon were all young talents to some degree that needed replacing which was evident by the Gaborik trade.

Not to mention that lovely first round pick. Sather trades picks for rentals every year.

Listen, in all honesty, as much as it sucks that we lost to get Nash, and then lost Gabs to get back what we lost in Nash, it may have been a good thing as we have a few players that are good to keep around long term (John Moore specifically, but Dorsett is a favored player of mine, and Brassard is about as good as Dubs), as well as several players that were used in the time of need as fillers with contracts expiring that have NO time invested in them (Pouliot, Pyatt, etc). It will be very easy for those guys to walk away instead of going down the same path Torts had been taking the team down (which was worn away after 11-12).

We'll see SOME turnover next season, but not a ton. I'd would like to avoid gutting the entire bottom 6

 

[I Eat Crow]

Gaborik was going to be a cap casualty regardless of what happened. He's just not a 7.5 million/year player anymore. I'm very happy with the package we got back for him. I still think John Moore will be the best piece we got back. Give it time.

I wouldn't say we'll be gutting the bottom six if its going to be filled from within. I see Miller, Lindberg, and Kristo as the likely candidates to fill some of the spots. Maybe even Hrivik. Boyle and Dorsett should be brought back. Four spots up for grabs, not accounting for any trades or free agent signings. We all know Sather loves his reclamation projects.

 

[Raspewtin]

Does anyone else think we should trade Callahan before season's end?

As much as I love the guy, we just know some dumbass GM will throw 6x6 at him and the rest will be history. Also he can't stay healthy, for the life of him. I'm not even remotely interested in paying more than 5 mill a year for him.

What would you guys do?

 

[Savant]

The Rick Nash trade was a "screw the future" let's go for it move. The Gaborik trade was an attempt to replace depth lost when trading for Nash and it was clear that Nash alone was not going to be them over the top. It's not like they moved Gaborik for picks and prospects. If Sather doesn't make the first "screw the future" move he doesn't have to make the Gaborik trade for those assets specifically.

Either way, is anyone here actually going to argue Sather is a sit on his hands and do nothing GM?

The Rick Nash trade everyone thought was a good idea at the time

The Gaborik trade was the crossroads moment in my opinion. It was at that point I thought Torts would get another year. I would have canned Torts midseason and tried to get a coach that could have gotten Gaborik and Nash to be used to their fullest. I knew at a point last year it would have come down to Gaborik or Torts, I was very bummed when it found out they would have neither.

 

[Savant]

Does anyone else think we should trade Callahan before season's end?

As much as I love the guy, we just know some dumbass GM will throw 6x6 at him and the rest will be history. Also he can't stay healthy, for the life of him. I'm not even remotely interested in paying more than 5 mill a year for him.

What would you guys do?

I don't think the team should have any sacred cows. Trading Callahan would be an EXTREMELY bitter pill but I am not necessarily opposed to it. With AV in charge you could make him the scapegoat in such a move, asset wise the thought of Callahan getting Dustin Brown money is very dangerous to the team's long term stability, not that Sather cares about that. That being said I don't see a Callahan trade happening.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Does anyone else think we should trade Callahan before season's end?

Yes. Preaching to the choir.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Callahan signs or walks. Was Leetch the last time this team traded their captain? Different circumstances back then. If you ask me, Callahan signs a day or two before free agency, and he gets overpaid. I just hope he doesn't get more than 4 years.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Messier was captain when the Rangers traded Leetch.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Callahan signs or walks. Was Leetch the last time this team traded their captain? Different circumstances back then. If you ask me, Callahan signs a day or two before free agency, and he gets overpaid. I just hope he doesn't get more than 4 years.

Well, I mean we bought out our last captain...

 

[Savant]

Yes. Preaching to the choir.

Earlier in the year I suggested something along the lines of Callahan for Ryan O'Reilly and metaphorical tomatoes were thrown in my direction.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Earlier in the year I suggested something along the lines of Callahan for Ryan O'Reilly and metaphorical tomatoes were thrown in my direction.

Callahan is one of those "heart and soul" guys. Fans tend to overrate them. When those guys have good skills they're very valuable, when their skills erode they become Chris Drury. That said Cally should never have been untouchable.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Messier was captain when the Rangers traded Leetch.

And I was just done wiping Messier's second stint here from my memory

Well, I mean we bought out our last captain...

Different situations. Callahan hasn't been himself lately; I really hope it's because he came back too soon from his hand injury and not because his play is starting to fall off. I still think he can thrive for another couple years getting 3rd line ES minutes and PP and PK time.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Different situations. Callahan hasn't been himself lately; I really hope it's because he came back too soon from his hand injury and not because his play is starting to fall off. I still think he can thrive for another couple years getting 3rd line ES minutes and PP and PK time.

No ****, I was being facetious.

I don't disagree, but do we really want to give Callahan $5M+ on a long term contract only to play him on the 3rd line at ES?

 

[Savant]

No ****, I was being facetious.

I don't disagree, but do we really want to give Callahan $5M+ on a long term contract only to play him on the 3rd line at ES?

Giving $5 million+ to 3rd liners, is exactly how you curb stomp a team's cap room.

 

[I Eat Crow]

No ****, I was being facetious.

I don't disagree, but do we really want to give Callahan $5M+ on a long term contract only to play him on the 3rd line at ES?

No worries, didn't catch that.

As long as guys on cost controlled cap hits like Zuccarello and Kreider can continue to give the team good top 6 minutes, giving Callahan 5 million shouldn't be an issue with the cap going up and all.

While we're on the subject, what has Callahan exactly done to earn a raise from the 4.25 he's making now? He's only getting older and more prone to breaking down physically. Really hope Sather plays hardball with him.

Back on trade talk, the holidays slowed down the rumors I guess. Saw Jaskin being talked about a page back. Wouldn't mind him, but not as the big piece coming back from Del Zotto. St. Louis is looking for another center. Berglund isn't cutting it for them. How's his defense? I'd do him and Jaskin for DZ, though as mentioned, why does St. Louis need Del Zotto when they have Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, and JBo, all excellent puck movers?

 

[Savant]

No worries, didn't catch that.

As long as guys on cost controlled cap hits like Zuccarello and Kreider can continue to give the team good top 6 minutes, giving Callahan 5 million shouldn't be an issue with the cap going up and all.

While we're on the subject, what has Callahan exactly done to earn a raise from the 4.25 he's making now? He's only getting older and more prone to breaking down physically. Really hope Sather plays hardball with him.

Back on trade talk, the holidays slowed down the rumors I guess. Saw Jaskin being talked about a page back. Wouldn't mind him, but not as the big piece coming back from Del Zotto. St. Louis is looking for another center. Berglund isn't cutting it for them. How's his defense? I'd do him and Jaskin for DZ, though as mentioned, why does St. Louis need Del Zotto when they have Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, and JBo, all excellent puck movers?

I just don't think Callahan will sign for less then David Clarkson did. This has also been previously suggested and makes a ton of logical sense.

Del Zotto to STL would have been perfect if they didn't acquire Bouwmeester, but now that ship has probably sailed.

 

[TheTakedown]

I just don't think Callahan will sign for less then David Clarkson did. This has also been previously suggested and makes a ton of logical sense.

Del Zotto to STL would have been perfect if they didn't acquire Bouwmeester, but now that ship has probably sailed.

Meh... idk How I feel about that... I know $5M is alot for a 3rd liner, but he's our captain, heart and soul of this team. Plays VERY well in clutch moments when you need him...

again, $5m is alot of a 3rd liner, but he's not just a 3rd liner, imho

 

[Savant]

Meh... idk How I feel about that... I know $5M is alot for a 3rd liner, but he's our captain, heart and soul of this team. Plays VERY well in clutch moments when you need him...

again, $5m is alot of a 3rd liner, but he's not just a 3rd liner, imho

Dustin Brown is making 5.875 after his extension kicks in, (and was perceived as taking a discount)

David Clarkson who we all know is inferior to Callahan was giving 5.25 over 7 years.

Callahan is going to get paid BIG.

If you look at some of the players making in between those two numbers you will see how many points a player making that cap number should provide. Some notables:

Pre-extension Getzlaf and Perry
Mike Richards
Tyler Seguin
Travis Zajac (ffs)
Jeff Skinner
Marty St. Louis
Blake Wheeler
Shawn Horcoff
Patrick Elias
John Tavares (best contract in hockey)
Mike Ribiero
Pre-extension Phil Kessel
Shane Doan
Nate Horton
Jeff Carter
Evander Kane
Jamie Benn
David Krejci

Looking at those names making that clip of money, you can easily determine who is overpaid, who is underpaid, and thusly whose contract has hurt their team by getting money they can't live up to. Salary cap era success comes down to asset management.

 

[Ola]

Sather always thinks they are one move away from the Cup. Forever.

I would like our chances with Doughty. Just sayin'.

Brassard-Richards-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Zucc
Hagelin-Moore-Callahan
Pouliot-Boyle-Dorsett
McD-Doughty
Staal-Girardi
MDZ-Strålman
Hank
Talbot

Good depth, great goaltending and an amazing defense.

 

[Mikos87]

Cally at 5.3 would be an excellent team and player deal, players that can play get paid, and I expect no less from Cally. The team is mediocre, and has mediocre players in roster slots that winning teams don't. That doesn't make Ryan Callahan a third line checker.

He should have been extended already, but hey you know much vacation time Slats like to squeeze out before a stressful day at the office.

Anton Stralman and Brian Boyle are going to be UFA cap causalities to resign Cally, G and Hank. I don't think anyone would blame Stralman and Boyle for cashing out. But losing Callahan would be greatly detrimental to the organization.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

The Rick Nash trade everyone thought was a good idea at the time

The Gaborik trade was the crossroads moment in my opinion. It was at that point I thought Torts would get another year. I would have canned Torts midseason and tried to get a coach that could have gotten Gaborik and Nash to be used to their fullest. I knew at a point last year it would have come down to Gaborik or Torts, I was very bummed when it found out they would have neither.

Mid season? That's 24 games

 

[RangerBoy]

Zuccarello will be a group II with arbitration rights this summer. He will be one year away from group III if he signs a 1 year deal this summer.

Kreider will be a group II with arbitration rights this summer. He is 4 years away from group III.

Gaborik. How were the Rangers keeping Gaborik and Richards on the team with the cap set at $64.3M? The Rangers weren't going to re-sign Gaborik if they kept him. Amnesty Richards and keep Gaborik who then leaves as a free agent. Trade Gaborik for 3 assets and later amnesty Richards. It would have been very hard to keep Richards and Gaborik on the team and fill out the roster at the same time. Pay Stepan,McDonagh and Hagelin. They got 3 pieces back for Gaborik. Moore is a 22 year old D who has made DZ expendable. We discussed that last season but some people refused to believe it. The Rangers can move DZ for other asset(s). Brassard is inconsistent. The Rangers qualify him this summer at $3.7M. Re-sign him to a one-year deal. The Rangers will need his offense after Richards is an amnesty guy in June. Richards has 7 goals and Brassard has 5. Give me the younger guy on the short term contract. Dorsett is someone the Rangers should try to turn into a young roster player between now and deadline. A young forward on an ELC who can play on the third line. Bottom six player. Dorsett is signed for next season.

If the Rangers are going with 3 offensive lines and having Boyle and Moore on the 4th line,trade either Boyle or Moore. Teams always try to trade for players like Boyle or Moore at the deadline. The Rangers can get a 2nd back for one of them. Both them will be group IIIs this summer.

Stepan,Richards and Brassard. Boyle/Moore.

If Miller gets a recall in the future,put him in the middle. The guy goes to the AHL and plays at center. 1 goal,1 assists,+3 and #1 star. Someone needs to tell AV to play Miller at center. He keeps playing Miller on the wing and then says I'm not sure what type of player JT is. AV says Miller is a young guy with a lot of potential. He has 5 goals and 6 points in 4 AHL games this season playing at center.

Stepan. Put Richards back on the wing. Brassard. Miller. Boyle/Moore.

I heard Kyper discussing the Leafs blue line on Hockeycentral yesterday. He said the Leafs need 2 defensemen and those players aren't easy to get. The Rangers have talked to them about DZ and Gardiner came up. Dreger reported that. DZ and Girardi. The Rangers should move them.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Dustin Brown is making 5.875 after his extension kicks in, (and was perceived as taking a discount)

David Clarkson who we all know is inferior to Callahan was giving 5.25 over 7 years.

Callahan is going to get paid BIG.

If you look at some of the players making in between those two numbers you will see how many points a player making that cap number should provide. Some notables:

Pre-extension Getzlaf and Perry
Mike Richards
Tyler Seguin
Travis Zajac (ffs)
Jeff Skinner
Marty St. Louis
Blake Wheeler
Shawn Horcoff
Patrick Elias
John Tavares (best contract in hockey)
Mike Ribiero
Pre-extension Phil Kessel
Shane Doan
Nate Horton
Jeff Carter
Evander Kane
Jamie Benn
David Krejci

Looking at those names making that clip of money, you can easily determine who is overpaid, who is underpaid, and thusly whose contract has hurt their team by getting money they can't live up to. Salary cap era success comes down to asset management.

Every coach and GM in the league would want to add a Callahan, he's one of those players and has the rep regardless of production and injury. The production by the way has not been bad.