Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part VI: Do Something
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Is Hagelin struggling under AVs system?
We are not giving him as many pucks to chase down as before. I like Hagelin, I think he will have a real long career and get better with time. I think he is good as is. But IF the right deal came along, I might consider...
We are not giving him as many pucks to chase down as before. I like Hagelin, I think he will have a real long career and get better with time. I think he is good as is. But IF the right deal came along, I might consider...
NYR Viper
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Gardiner would be a nice pice to bring back in any trade. Another great skater who has some untapped offense.
I don't agree with not needing another forward if Zuccarello and Kreider continue to play well. They need at least 1, preferably 2 more top 9 forwards with size.
Boyle needs to be moved. I like the flexibility of having him and Moore but they are redundant pieces. Need someone who can control the puck and make plays while providing more on the forecheck. The guy is all heart but they need more.
To Montreal:
Boyle + Pouliot
To NYR:
Thrower + 2nd 14
To Colorado:
Del Zotto + Bourque
To NYR:
McGinn + McLeod + COL 2nd 14
To TOR:
Dan Girardi
To NYR:
Gardiner + TOR 1st 14
I don't agree with not needing another forward if Zuccarello and Kreider continue to play well. They need at least 1, preferably 2 more top 9 forwards with size.
Boyle needs to be moved. I like the flexibility of having him and Moore but they are redundant pieces. Need someone who can control the puck and make plays while providing more on the forecheck. The guy is all heart but they need more.
To Montreal:
Boyle + Pouliot
To NYR:
Thrower + 2nd 14
To Colorado:
Del Zotto + Bourque
To NYR:
McGinn + McLeod + COL 2nd 14
To TOR:
Dan Girardi
To NYR:
Gardiner + TOR 1st 14
I understand Girardi is criminally underrated around here because he doesn't look "pretty" skating.
Even when he plays well, he apparently looks terrible.
Girardi is a proven top pair RD who can eat up minutes, shutdown the opposition, durable, great intangibles.
So no, I am not adding.
NYR Viper
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I understand Girardi is criminally underrated around here because he doesn't look "pretty" skating.
Even when he plays well, he apparently looks terrible.
Girardi is a proven top pair RD who can eat up minutes, shutdown the opposition, durable, great intangibles.
So no, I am not adding.
They aren't going to move a top line power forward signed for more than this season for a pending UFA.
that's a hell no on the Girardi trade.
As much as Girardi is underrated, Gardiner is overrated around here. Same age as DZ, DZ with the proven track record, Gardiner struggling to stay in the NHL until this year and he is struggling as a top 4 and not providing offense. And yet Gardiner has "untapped" potential and DZ doesn't? And for that "untapped" potential that I have not seen yet at 23, you are willing to trade a proven commodity in Girardi? Please.
NYR Viper
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He's a pending UFA. That's a good package. A young NHL dman and a 1st?
Gardiner skates well and from watching him he is similar to John Moore with the way he plays. Raw.
Not everyone develops at the same pace and some people reach their ceiling faster.
If we have Moore why do we need his raw shorter clone for Girardi?
The bolded is pure generic speculation to justify your opinion.
Edit: Listen, we agree on many things, you are dead wrong on this one.
Like the Montreal deal, but I don't think Montreal would do it. Pouliot is dead weight. Simplify it: Boyle for Thrower and a 3rd.
McGinn is a glorified middle-9 forward. I love his game, but he's not the kind of piece I'd trade Del Zotto for. He's a slightly larger, more physical version of Hagelin. Hustle and hard work are his game, but he's always going to be a complimentary forward on a scoring line.
I like the Leafs deal, but it's one of the "one step back, two steps forward" kind of deals that I don't see this team ready to make.
NYR Viper
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Because the point is to have an entire defensive corps who can move the puck and provide offense moving forward? Save some money? There's lots of reasons...
It is a generic statement, because it is a true statement. You mention Grdiner is 23. He took a different route to the NHL. Fowler made the NHL at 18. Would you rather him or Pietrangelo?
How am I dead wrong that a borderline top 4 dman at 23 + 1st wouldn't be a coup for a pending UFaAwho doesn't seem to fit the mold of the team moving forward and who will be paid handsomely in the off-season?
cd211
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STOP STOP woth Girardi... its almost laughable..
noway he's moved unless we're getting something ridiculous back kesler, kessel, kopitar, m richards, brown etc...
he eats minutes.. and our rock back there. for the last time he is irreplaceable.. would you want stralman on top pair hahahhahahah... who are we going to get that can play his mins and be defensively respondsible the way g is.. Stralman shouldn't even be in top 4.. he just plays a simple game boards and out.. other then that how is he any different then g, in terms of d? top 4 RHD is the hardest position to fill on an NHL roster besides a number 1c.. look around do you see any available in the league like g..
stop with trying to run him out of town or say he will leave FA.. if he leaves FA we're just going to replace him with someone whos the shinny new toy for even more money then g would want.. it took years to build this d core, were not going to gut it anytime soon..McIrath comes up this year and proves hes top4 then maybe he can be traded.. but not worth it.. good offense is created by great defensive transition.. it all starts on the backend..
noway he's moved unless we're getting something ridiculous back kesler, kessel, kopitar, m richards, brown etc...
he eats minutes.. and our rock back there. for the last time he is irreplaceable.. would you want stralman on top pair hahahhahahah... who are we going to get that can play his mins and be defensively respondsible the way g is.. Stralman shouldn't even be in top 4.. he just plays a simple game boards and out.. other then that how is he any different then g, in terms of d? top 4 RHD is the hardest position to fill on an NHL roster besides a number 1c.. look around do you see any available in the league like g..
stop with trying to run him out of town or say he will leave FA.. if he leaves FA we're just going to replace him with someone whos the shinny new toy for even more money then g would want.. it took years to build this d core, were not going to gut it anytime soon..McIrath comes up this year and proves hes top4 then maybe he can be traded.. but not worth it.. good offense is created by great defensive transition.. it all starts on the backend..
NYR Viper
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Del Zotto is the hard piece. They need to get a long term piece.
I'd take that Montreal deal.
I'd do that Toronto deal all day long.
NYR Viper
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The ideais to get something for him before he leaves for nothing. Long term pieces.
I'd rather have DZ than Gardiner.
You are wrong because you assume so many things. Do you know what he is asking for and how long, do you know what the Rangers are offering, do you know if they are even talking?
How many people predicted McDonagh to take the deal he did? I predict he will sign for 4.5M/season.
Girardi is not untouchable but it's not for scraps. Gardiner is a good player that may or may not have potential, time will tell, but for Girardi he is scraps. And he is redundant on this D, We need finishers, not more LHD's, especially not for Girardi.
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How much have you seen Gardiner play? I really hope not much because this would be an awful deal. You don't deal a workhorse like Girardi for someone as inconsistant and unproven as Gardiner. He does have some "untapped offense" but honestly hasn't shown it very much in the NHL. That move would REALLY hurt this team imo.
I'd be prodding Jim Nill in Dallas to see if he wants to boost their blueline with Robidas out at least 4 months. Brett Ritchie+ for Del Zotto.
I'd also be hammering GMGM's voicemail to see if I could pry Orlov out of there. He's going to be a good one.
If Stralman were Canadian or American I think the amount of people posting how much he sucks and things like "he's not even top 4" would be zero. The guy may or may not be capable of being a top pairing guy, but saying he's not top 4 is a joke. Only reason people think that is because he's European and not that physical. He's been our second best D-man all season.
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You're making just as many assumptions as he is. You don't know that Girardi will take a bargain contract anymore than anyone knows that he won't.
Gardiner has a ton of potential. He's a fantastic skater, can actually run a power-play, and can play the right side. If you're looking it like Gardiner is going to step in and replace Girardi, then you're simply looking at it the wrong way. The deals he's proposing have the potential to make the team stronger in the future, while not completely dismantling them in the short term.
I've been a big Girardi supporter, and I think he gets unfairly crapped on by the scapegoating crowd around here, but he's been less than stellar in this man-to-man system. If the team decides he's not a long-term piece, then it behooves them to trade him for someone who can be. Pretty simple.
Oh good. The xenophobe card is in play.
Stralman is a very, very good bottom pairing guy who can play 2nd pairing minutes if necessary. He's certainly not optimal, and he's been far from our 2nd best defender this year. Staal, McDonagh and Girardi are superior players. Period.
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Something based around Staal for E Kane sounds good to me.
Play MDZ on the left & he's plenty capable.
Girardi for Gardiner+ is nice IMO.
Trade Callahan if you can get a good deal.
Trade Boyle.
Play MDZ on the left & he's plenty capable.
Girardi for Gardiner+ is nice IMO.
Trade Callahan if you can get a good deal.
Trade Boyle.
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