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If we trade a big ticket player, I'd want a young goalie back. Gibson, Vasilevski, Makarov, or Campbell.

This is actually the draft year I'd trade down. There's no clear cut #1, and the teams in the top 3 wouldn't even dream of trading the pick. Very deep first round this year.
 
Raspewtin said:
This was a thread on the Trade Boards that was closed because OP never got a quote or direct source. But it leads me to my question, what do you guys think of dealing Nash? He's a superstar, and a great asset to this team, but that contract is down-right dreadful. It can't be ignored, even with the cap going up. MaxPac obviously isn't a better player (yet), but, what do you guys think of dealing Nash?

If it's the right return, I do it.

As for the actual info in the quote.........Montreal adds Collberg or Thrower and I like it.
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The only bad contract there is Desharnais. Disgusting contract. Want no part of it. Nash is paid market value. If he was a FA now he'd get a bigger contract.
 
I Eat Crow said:
If we trade a big ticket player, I'd want a young goalie back. Gibson, Vasilevski, Makarov, or Campbell.

This is actually the draft year I'd trade down. There's no clear cut #1, and the teams in the top 3 wouldn't even dream of trading the pick. Very deep first round this year.
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Lundqvist + Pyatt to ANA for Gibson + Palmieri + 1st + conditional 2nd or D prospect


Then package our 1st + ANA 1st for a top 3 overall pick :sarcasm:

Sorry I just went Bern there but what the hell anything to keep me from writing this paper
 
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I would like another center to pair with Stepan going forward. Not another Brassard type. Brassard - Callahan as the basis for our 3rd line makes sense. Kreider and Nash for our first line. Hagelin can play 1st through 3rd lines. JT Miller can play a fine wing next year. We need another 2/3 winger and a 1/2 Center going forward. I don't see Zucc as anything permanent on a contending team.

Defense is set and fine. Move one of Moore and Del Zotto. Promote McIlrath next year. Skeji is still a whiles away.
 
Alluckks said:
I would like another center to pair with Stepan going forward. Not another Brassard type. Brassard - Callahan as the basis for our 3rd line makes sense. Kreider and Nash for our first line. Hagelin can play 1st through 3rd lines. JT Miller can play a fine wing next year. We need another 2/3 winger and a 1/2 Center going forward. I don't see Zucc as anything permanent on a contending team.

Defense is set and fine. Move one of Moore and Del Zotto. Promote McIlrath next year. Skeji is still a whiles away.
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We need a true, elite #1 C. Unfortunately the only way to get one is to draft high or overpay.

Is Pavelski a free agent this offseason? I'd throw freaking blank checks at that dude
 
Callahan Auto said:
I don't like the idea of trading Staal in our division.

Something like Staal for Sami Vatanen, Emerson Etem, and a 1st could work, maybe. Considering what the Burns deal looked like, I think the value is pretty close. Vatanen is a RHD that can move the puck and shoot (even though I think he plays the left side), Etem can skate and shoot. I would assume Staal would have a lot of value for the Ducks but we'd have to manage eating some salary.

We could then package our 1st, the ANA 1st, and a prospect to move up in the draft. Maybe grab a top 8 pick.
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This is a great post, I like how you're thinking.

Although Staal only makes 3.8 mill per. I don't see why we'd eat salary.

Also remember ANA has 2 1sts (Ottawa's from the Ryan trade), either of them will serve us well. That team has 1st round exit on their forehead.
 
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WojtekGoalski said:
We need a true, elite #1 C. Unfortunately the only way to get one is to draft high or overpay.

Is Pavelski a free agent this offseason? I'd throw freaking blank checks at that dude
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I'd like to see a center that makes his linemates better, and is a really good passer. This team hasn't been able to get away with mediocre wingers for years, while teams like Pitts win games solely on center play.

I would LOVE Pavs on this team but he signed a huge extension this offseason and loves SJ. He's a pipedream.

WojtekGoalski said:
Lundqvist + Pyatt to ANA for Gibson + Palmieri + 1st + conditional 2nd or D prospect


Then package our 1st + ANA 1st for a top 3 overall pick :sarcasm:

Sorry I just went Bern there but what the hell anything to keep me from writing this paper
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I feel you :laugh:.

Anaheim is really the last team that needs Lundy, though.
 
Raspewtin said:
I'd like to see a center that makes his linemates better, and is a really good passer. This team hasn't been able to get away with mediocre wingers for years, while teams like Pitts win games solely on center play.

I would LOVE Pavs on this team but he signed a huge extension this offseason and loves SJ. He's a pipedream.



I feel you :laugh:.

Anaheim is really the last team that needs Lundy, though.
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**** about Pavelski. Oh well.

Once you go Bern you never go back. I know ANA has rediculous depth at G but I'm not really sold on Hiller/Fasth to take them to the promiseland. Hank has stolen many a playoff games for us in his tenure and I just don't see any of ANA's goalies being able to do that; you need that every once in a while especially in their conference. Their first round matchup will likely be as tough as the East conference finals matchup as sad as that is
 
Look at all of the posts about the being fine or needing fine tuning. Where is Miley Cyrus and her wrecking ball? The Rangers need it.

Alain Vigneault sounded fed up yesterday. He called out the players on the team to start playing better. The key guys. The core guys.

Its not giving up on the season. Its trying to fix the problems for this season and beyond.

Sather wants to compete and win. With this team?

None of the D have played well. Good games. Bad games. The D in fine?

Look at the Rangers schedule until Christmas. They better make hay.
 
RangerBoy said:
Look at all of the posts about the being fine or needing fine tuning. Where is Miley Cyrus and her wrecking ball? The Rangers need it.

Alain Vigneault sounded fed up yesterday. He called out the players on the team to start playing better. The key guys. The core guys.

Its not giving up on the season. Its trying to fix the problems for this season and beyond.

Sather wants to compete and win. With this team?

None of the D have played well. Good games. Bad games. The D in fine?

Look at the Rangers schedule until Christmas. They better make hay.
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Sure. Thing is they are getting help right now as 5th is only a few PTS away but do is 11th
 
The Rangers are not trading Lundqvist and Nash and definitely not in the middle of the season. It would be equivalent to saying we're dumping the year. They don't do that or won't do that as long as they're in the playoff hunt and the trade deadline typically coming 15-20 games before the playoffs means they'll have to be pretty awful for that to be completely out of it and right now they're far from that--what they are is mediocre. It as well means there won't be numerous major deals. Rangers might move any of Callahan, Girardi, Staal, Stralman, Del Zotto or Brassard for instance but they're not going to move them all and of Callahan, Girardi and Staal it's very unlikely that they'll move more than one.

They're not retooling in the middle of a season--if and when they ever do it they'll do it in the off season unless the team is a lottery pick team.

That they're not a legit contender is obvious but they can still and will pretend that they are. That there are always lots of people who believe that making the playoffs is just the first step and then anything can happen--which IMO is a lot of *********. IMO the Rangers have taken steps back since 11-12 when they failed in the conference finals. Those analyzing the team from the inside I suspect realize this but there's still a product to put on the ice and market and appearances that need to be kept up. Trade Lundqvist and/or Nash for young players/prospects/draft picks and the appearances shatter. When appearances shatter it's very dangerous for upper management. Sather may be a lot of things but he's not the type to commit professional suicide.
 
I think it's clear the D are struggling. In transition (Staal, Girardi, Falk if you wanna count him) and also in the d zone playing man (everyone at times but MDZ and Moore really stand out).

Transition can be relearned, but it is more likely a personnel issue in that the above Ranger dmen are just not great passers.

Inside the dzone, every Rangers defenseman has been exposed at times. In this issue, instead of getting on the player whipping train, I gotta get on the coaching. For YEARS this group was dominant in the defensive zone and no it wasn't all shot blocking. There is a reason why most NHL teams play zone or area defense. It is much easier to protect the slot, keep shots to the outside, and prevent odd man situations down low. It also can be easier to break out because your forwards stay high giving defensemen more options in transition. The only real reason to play man is if you are icing an extremely mobile d group who can skate the puck out of trouble and who wouldn't be effective defending in a traditional system for whatever reason (strength issues, inability to make good defensive reads).

So if you want to tell me Staal is 100% leaving in 2015, or Girardi is broken physically, fine. But I see no reason to sell these guys for "maybes" and pennies on the dollar when they have both been all star caliber players IN THEIR OWN ZONE for years and are now essentially square pegs being put in a round hole. It's asinine to me and backwards. When McD-Stralman is your best pairing and you have players like MDZ, Moore, Ryan Murphy going against Ovie and Crosby/Malkin multiple times a year in Division games...yea let me know how that goes. Top offensive players are gonna get chances no matter who is on the ice and how well they move the puck. And when they do you need players who can defend.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Stepan isn't untouchable if the deal brings back a better first line center.
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Does that really help though? If we package Stepan for a better first line center, it still leaves us short a 2nd line option, and quite honestly a 3rd line option as well.

This team would be foolish to deal Stepan at this point, IMO.
 
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I would be okay with major changes happening. The team needs more skill and size. Investing in this core doesn't seem like it will lead to winning.
 
Trxjw said:
Does that really help though? If we package Stepan for a better first line center, it still leaves us short a 2nd line option, and quite honestly a 3rd line option as well?

This team would be foolish to deal Stepan at this point, IMO.
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I 110% agree. Trade Stepan for a 1c? He is a 1c. The idea would be to get better at center, not trade 1 for 1 and still have a gaping hole.


SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Not sure I follow your point.
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I'd move Nash if the return was good.
 
Raspewtin said:
This was a thread on the Trade Boards that was closed because OP never got a quote or direct source. But it leads me to my question, what do you guys think of dealing Nash? He's a superstar, and a great asset to this team, but that contract is down-right dreadful. It can't be ignored, even with the cap going up. MaxPac obviously isn't a better player (yet), but, what do you guys think of dealing Nash?

If it's the right return, I do it.

As for the actual info in the quote.........Montreal adds Collberg or Thrower and I like it.
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That rumor was floated by some of the RDS reporters originally. Load of BS, IMO.

Brassard for DD is a lateral move at best. As much as I like Patches, he is a downgrade on Nash. We nab a decent blue line prospect just to basically take a step back? Makes no sense.

Nash, aside from his lousy playoff run, has been a very good player for us thus far. He creates more offense on his own than most of the team can create together. Trading him means taking a giant step back, and if we did that, I sure as hell wouldn't eat Desharnais' garbage contract in the process.
 
would you guys do Del Zotto to Caps for Brouwer and Michael Latta




Brouwer has won, and is a LW with size and can score 15-20 goals... 40 pt player
 
Stepan by far and away the best center on the team right now. Trading the best center for a new best center is pointless. #1, 1A, 1B, 2A... blah blah. That's not the point. We need to build on the talent we have, not replace it with slight upgrades.
 
A #2 center is a more pressing need than an upgrade on Stepan for the top line. I'm flabbergasted that people want to run him out of town. I'm not sold on Brassard being that guy.
 
NYR Viper said:
His point totals and overall game point to 1c territory. Even if he is a 1b center, why move him to only fill his spot. The team needs MORE player like Stepan.
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I agree they could use more players like Stepan. I just think that people are rushing to anoint him a #1 center. On a cup contending team he's a very good #2.
 
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