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Fitzy said:
I still remember Cammalleri's performance in Montreal's 2010 playoff run. If NYR could find a way to get him to play like that, he'd be a fine asset.
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I remember that. He was outstanding. Him and Halak.
 
kenjets36 said:
He's got a lot talent but we need more size to go along with him. Can't just add him.
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Then what is your suggestion? We have limited funds. We can't add multiple goal scorers. Cammalleri is certainly a good enough scorer and a solid player. Seems like something can work if Calgary is willing to hold on to some of the cap hit which given it's his last year and they have 14M in space I don't see why they wouldn't.
 
SA16 said:
Then what is your suggestion? We have limited funds. We can't add multiple goal scorers. Cammalleri is certainly a good enough scorer and a solid player. Seems like something can work if Calgary is willing to hold on to some of the cap hit which given it's his last year and they have 14M in space I don't see why they wouldn't.
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They'd have to include Glencross in the deal or something.
 
kenjets36 said:
They were shopping him last trade deadline...
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Would love to get Glencross. If they add him, we'd have to add more. They value him pretty highly there. I thought it was all just speculation last trade deadline and not actual rumors that he was being shopped.

Either way, if you add Cammalleri I agree you need to add size as well. Maybe Steve Ott.

Cammalleri and Ott would be ideal.
 
RGY said:
Would love to get Glencross. If they add him, we'd have to add more. They value him pretty highly there. I thought it was all just speculation last trade deadline and not actual rumors that he was being shopped.

Either way, if you add Cammalleri I agree you need to add size as well. Maybe Steve Ott.

Cammalleri and Ott would be ideal.
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It was.

Go ask Calgary fans KJ about Glencross or Giordano. Ask them what the price is for either.
 
kenjets36 said:
Go ask Blue Jacket fans what their price for Nash was.
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Seriously, what do you think they are offering Calgary that gets you Cam and Glencross, and makes sense cap wise? Calgary would want picks and prospects, and Rangers need to move roster players to make salary work, even if some is retained.

They are going to be sellers, and they'll wait until the deadline to get the most out of moving players like that, if they do.

Never say never, but I doubt it and this team doesn't have until the deadline to wait for scoring help.
 
Question.

Adding cammy and glencross who of the following gets pushed to the 4th line?

Kreider, Nash, Callahan, Hagelin, Zuccs

Glencross took a hometown discount to stay in Calgary. They are 99% not trading him.

Cammy is a good finisher for the top line. Glencross only makes sense if Zuccs or Hagelin are going the other way in the deal.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to trading a prospect or pick if it meant getting a player who is a couple years older but is NHL ready and fills a major need. You can't hoard prospects forever.
 
Trxjw said:
I wouldn't be opposed to trading a prospect or pick if it meant getting a player who is a couple years older but is NHL ready and fills a major need. You can't hoard prospects forever.
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If you look at a projected line up in 2 years, theres just not enough room for all of Krieder, Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Kristo, and Hrivik not to mention Mash assuming that all develop into top 9 except Mash, and also assuming that Richards, Boyle, Zucc are gone. Krieders not going anywhere, we dont have to but i imagine that 1-2 of those guys will be moved for the right price this season. I like all of them and see Fast and Hrivik as likely candidates.
 
SwedishBullet62 said:
Seriously this, our prospect depth is getting weaker, we've seen better days, we don't need to trade away more high draft picks and end up like the devils...
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I agree but maybe not on the conclusion.

Youth serves a purpose. In the broad picture we can say that (i) it either should give us quality, or (ii) options to renew our roster and cut cap hits.

In this context (ii) is relevant. In the somewhat near future, with a 2-4 years perspective, we have a few players moving out BUT we also have the back-ups in place. NJD are doing a helluva job, but realistically, if they wanted to contend, we are talking about probably 6-10 spots on that roster that they already missed to replace from within. We are not in that position.

Look at this depth chart. I've listed the depth we have, and the prospects we have that can help out (in bold).

LW
1. Nash
2. Hags
3. Kreids
4. Pouliot
5. JT Miller

C
1. Stepan
2. Richards
3. Brassard
4. Boyle
5. Dom Moore
6. Oscar Lindberg

RW
1. Callahan
2. Zucc
3. Dorsett
4. Pyatt
5. Fast
6. Kristo
7. Hrivik

LD
1. McD
2. Staal
3. MDZ
4. Moore
5. Allen
6. Skjei

RD
1. Girardi
2. Strålman
3. Falk
4. McIlrath


Sure its not perfect. Changes will be made. Flaws needs to be fixed. But had you done the same in like 07'-08', you might have found like 10 spots in which you would have preferred an upgrade and maybe 12 kids pushing for spots. Back then, that was needed. Now we do not need to be able to replace even 6 spots from within.

-Most positions are fairly set.

-On other positions we have a log-jam.

-We have depth that it is reasonable to expect will help us in the NHL in the coming years (say what, 50-75% of the bolded names?).

I am not saying that we should trade youth and picks for the Ryane Clowe's of the league. But, from my point of view, we have more or less three "flaws" on this roster.

(1) A PMD right shooting D. We haven't had a decent PPQB since Leetch. Its ridiculous.

(2) Are our centers strong enough? BR is a point man on the PP. Step is a right shooting center and can't run a PP with BR (they are as far away from each other on the PP as it is possible to be). A strong down low PP forward wouldn't hurt. Someone that is extremely poised with the puck and can move it around on the PP. Can Zucc fill that role?

(3) Size, toughness and sniper ability up front. Someone with a shot atleast.

If we could fill one of those holes for 4-5 years, I wouldn't hesitate a second to trade picks for example. Or youth. I mean, its those holes those kids and picks are supposed to fill. RD could potentially be a bit of a concern short term, but other than that I just don't see any major reason for concern in the near future. We got players in place already, albeit that some upgrades could be made. -- It just has to be the right deal --. Just for the sake of argument, lets say we could get Voynov from LA. I would have no problem moving two 1st round picks and JT Miller for him. Why? Voynov would really fill the one big hole we have, and the odds of the picks doing the same is just so much lower. Loosing those two 1st round picks hurts our ability for being able to replace players that cap wise grow out of our ability to pay them within the coming 3-5 years, but OTOH, (a) hopefully we won't have too many of them, and (b) good players on good teams carry a ton of value. Look at Boston and Kessel. Teams thought they would be destroyed by the cap but instead they turned Kessel into Dougie Hamilton and Seguin...

We shouldn't disregard (1) completely. But odds are just not good no matter what that the one 1st round pick we traded away, or 2nd or 3rd round pick, we result in a big upgrade on like our top 2 lines or top 2 D pairings.
 
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Trxjw said:
I wouldn't be opposed to trading a prospect or pick if it meant getting a player who is a couple years older but is NHL ready and fills a major need. You can't hoard prospects forever.
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If the player can be around for more than the rest of the season, then I'm good with it.

Lindberg Cheese said:
If you look at a projected line up in 2 years, theres just not enough room for all of Krieder, Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Kristo, and Hrivik not to mention Mash assuming that all develop into top 9 except Mash, and also assuming that Richards, Boyle, Zucc are gone. Krieders not going anywhere, we dont have to but i imagine that 1-2 of those guys will be moved for the right price this season. I like all of them and see Fast and Hrivik as likely candidates.
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True, but I would rather not trade the wrong one.
 
Lindberg Cheese said:
If you look at a projected line up in 2 years, theres just not enough room for all of Krieder, Miller, Lindberg, Fast, Kristo, and Hrivik not to mention Mash assuming that all develop into top 9 except Mash, and also assuming that Richards, Boyle, Zucc are gone. Krieders not going anywhere, we dont have to but i imagine that 1-2 of those guys will be moved for the right price this season. I like all of them and see Fast and Hrivik as likely candidates.
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2015 under assumptions:

KRIEDER STEPAN NASH
HAGELIN BRASSARD CALLAHAN
PLAYER FROM TRADE LINDBERG KRISTO
MILLER CHEAP FA VET DORSETT
MASH

Even with this projection Miller is wasted on the 4th line (although depth looks nice) and Fast, Hrivik dont even compute.
 
NYR Viper said:
If the player can be around for more than the rest of the season, then I'm good with it.



True, but I would rather not trade the wrong one.
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Thats the trick isnt it and why GMs are GMs and fans are fans. Between Sather, Gorton, Schoney, and Clark i have some trust. Sather can horse trade with the best of them, just keep away from the FA market.
 
NYR Viper said:
If the player can be around for more than the rest of the season, then I'm good with it.
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That's the idea. I'd rather give an asset to get an asset than give one only to watch the return walk out the door this summer because we're strapped for cash.

We have a few issues on this team that need to be addressed, and IMO, they can't be short term fixes.
 
Trxjw said:
That's the idea. I'd rather give an asset to get an asset than give one only to watch the return walk out the door this summer because we're strapped for cash.

We have a few issues on this team that need to be addressed, and IMO, they can't be short term fixes.
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Exactly my thinking as well. If they move prospects, it has to be a for a player who fills a need.

I wouldn't even be opposed to selling off a couple of players and then trading for other players ala the Sharks last year with Murray and Clowe.
 
The Rangers need to take a long-term view. Enough with the ****ing band-aids. All of these lousy NY teams with their patch work BS. The Yankees refuse to sell at the deadline. Then they give a 30 year old catcher $100M if the 6th year of the contract vests. The Yankees had two years to prepare for $189M and they did nothing. The Giants refuse to deal Nicks because it wouldn't look good. The guy couldn't make it to the field in the important game on the season. The Jets are saddled with that suck Rex Ryan. The basketball teams are the two worst teams in the NBA. They throw players together. Every big name NBA player from 5 years ago. That only works when you have LeBron to save your ass. Did I miss anyone? The Mets. The Coupons are still counting their pennies from the Madoff mess.
 
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