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Good find rb, and the bolded is still lost on this board.
I have seen posters state categorically that DZ holds not much value on his own.
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http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2...tto/buzz-the-latest-michael-del-zotto-rumors/
Adding a D in a trade is expensive. The Rangers haven't gone down that road. They draft their D(Staal,DZ) or trade for them when they are young like with McDonagh and Moore. Or they sign an undrafted player to an AHL contract like they did with Girardi or pick up a D on the scrapheap like Stralman who becomes a good player. They did that with Rozsival after the 2nd lockout.
Elliotte Freidman reported the Rangers and Ottawa had the DZ discussion this week and nothing materialized.
NYR Viper
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That much is obvious. They like Moore's ability to join the play and cover for mistakes with his skating.
NYR Viper
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Evander Kane would be a coup for the Rangers. He is literally exactly the player they would, I'm sure, love to add. Kreider, Kane, Hagelin LW moving forward? Unbelievable.
Young power forward with a great shot in a bad situation obviously.
Not going to happen unfortunately.
HockeyBasedNYC
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OMG if they could pry Kane out of Peg for the likes of DZ + a pick or something I would strip down to my boxers and run a marathon around town in 20 degree weather.
Wouldn't be surprised if Slats and AV still kind of are evaluating MDZ. Ie, that no asking price really has been established. I am sure there has been curtosy calls, but maybe not more than that.
MDZ had really been a disappointment this year. But like he showed last night, he got a lot of hockey in him. AV has set the bar for him and MDZ knows what it will take to play in NY. I don't think Slats is setting a price now based on an unknown, ie not really knowing how MDZ will respond. In a couple of weeks, we will know a lot better.
MDZ had really been a disappointment this year. But like he showed last night, he got a lot of hockey in him. AV has set the bar for him and MDZ knows what it will take to play in NY. I don't think Slats is setting a price now based on an unknown, ie not really knowing how MDZ will respond. In a couple of weeks, we will know a lot better.
The only unknown is how well does DZ adjust to the right side. Sather and the rest of the league knows how he can play on the left side on the top 4. And the sample size is large enough.
I do however agree with your overall point that Sather is in no rush to trade DZ. There will be plenty of opportunities to do so and at the price he wants.
smoneil
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To be clear, the article you link to doesn't actually say that. It said that AV likes Moore's skating, and he likes him long term (which could mean any of a number of things). It said nothing about a comparison between the two players as actual hockey players. Frankly, based on minutes, the opposite of what you said seems to be true. In the 18 games that Moore and MDZ have both played, Moore has only skated more minutes than MDZ three times. That's not just from the beginning of the season, either. MDZ got more time than Moore in both of his games back after the benching.
I just wanted to clarify, because the way this was posted made it seem like the linked source stated what you wrote as a truth, and not as your opinion.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
I'd buy an Evander Kane Rangers jersey, a one way plane ticket to Winnipeg and I'd do the boxer shorts marathon thing up there.
I think MDZ, Miller and a pick/prospect is our "go-to" package and we can get something good for it, I'm just not sure what's on the market. It's not enough for Kane/Yakupov and it's too much for Matty Moulson (especially since he's out of contract next year), but that kind of selfish player fits like a glove here IMO.
https://twitter.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/404698236600197120
Send JT to the AHL. The Whale has two games next weekend after one game this weekend.
eco's bones
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I actually prefer John Moore over Del Zotto at this point myself. One reason I can see him progressing as a player--something I don't see much from Del Zotto--another he's bigger and stronger and another he's a much better skater.
I also think he's been a more dangerous offensive player than DZ this year. He often takes off with the puck and attacks the enemy's net. There's two goals and there are a few posts.
I also think he's been a more dangerous offensive player than DZ this year. He often takes off with the puck and attacks the enemy's net. There's two goals and there are a few posts.
I wish Staal could've tried the right side.
MDZ had some really good stretches at 2nd pair LD when Staal was out.
I think I'm more interested in retaining Stralman than Girardi.
MDZ had some really good stretches at 2nd pair LD when Staal was out.
I think I'm more interested in retaining Stralman than Girardi.
LOL at people packaging Kreider in a deal for Kane. Kreider has been our best forward production wise. And better than many forwards in the NHL.
Kane can disappear at times. The one thing he does do is shoot a lot and throw his weight around. I think if he joined a line with Stepan or Richards as his center he would have more success. WPG would have to retain some salary in a trade.
Kane can disappear at times. The one thing he does do is shoot a lot and throw his weight around. I think if he joined a line with Stepan or Richards as his center he would have more success. WPG would have to retain some salary in a trade.
Lots of this post to like!
Wish, and wish is probably the right word, Brass and Poul. were replaced with a Ryan O'Reilly type to toughen up the center position. Richards almost needs two Lucic types to create enough room on the ice to work his magic.
Just get the feeling the + would be too costly. Also saw once that a DelZotto for Bieksa trade was being talked about, which for the short term, would be intruiging.
Raspewtin
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Raspewtin
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I thought you were implying we should target Neil if Ceci/Zibby are out of the question, and that we'd have to add to get Neil.
My apologies.
You're good. If you could get Neil for an expiring contract or 3rd round pick, then it would be worth considering.
Raspewtin
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DZ isn't just an expiring contract. He's an RFA still. Worth significantly more than UFAs to be.
Sorry I'm too lazy to write it out. If you throw in a Pouliot or Pyatt for a neil then I am interested
I think the Rangers rumor mill steam is going to die down now.
I think really the deriving factor for all of it was Nash's uncertainty. Was he going to come back any time soon. Would the team continue to tailspin? Would the offense remain as stagnant as it was to begin the season?
There has been not only noticeable improvement by the team, but they actually look dominant again.
I remember during the preseason and beginning of regular season people advocated for the selling off of our best players for a rebuild.
Now, even with noticeable dominance, people still try and argue that there are glaring holes with this team.
If anything, we are missing 1 player to balance out our third line. That player should be Miller, but he's clearly not ready yet. He's got the speed, energy, and defensive responsibility to fit great on that line but he's been making too many mistakes (which are to be expected with rookies).
Pouloit isn't going to fix that line. His game comes and goes whenever he pleases.
Pyatt isn't going to fix that line. He's too slow to keep up with Brassard and especially Hagelin.
I think AV finally found his dominant 4th line. Boyle, Dorsett, and Moore have been sustaining forechecks and actually creating chances as a tandem.
We are missing 1 player. Maybe it's Jesper Fast? Pyatt will get the go around. But he's not the solution. Kristo? Maybe he'll get a mid season call up.
Knowing Sather, and having a gut feeling we'll be a top contender by the trade deadline, he'll trade for a vet with decent production to complete the lines ala Antropov a couple years back. Fast and Kristo might get chances before a trade is made, Miller may even get a second shot too. But Pyatt and/or Pouloit won't be in the top 9 going into the home stretch of the season.
I think really the deriving factor for all of it was Nash's uncertainty. Was he going to come back any time soon. Would the team continue to tailspin? Would the offense remain as stagnant as it was to begin the season?
There has been not only noticeable improvement by the team, but they actually look dominant again.
I remember during the preseason and beginning of regular season people advocated for the selling off of our best players for a rebuild.
Now, even with noticeable dominance, people still try and argue that there are glaring holes with this team.
If anything, we are missing 1 player to balance out our third line. That player should be Miller, but he's clearly not ready yet. He's got the speed, energy, and defensive responsibility to fit great on that line but he's been making too many mistakes (which are to be expected with rookies).
Pouloit isn't going to fix that line. His game comes and goes whenever he pleases.
Pyatt isn't going to fix that line. He's too slow to keep up with Brassard and especially Hagelin.
I think AV finally found his dominant 4th line. Boyle, Dorsett, and Moore have been sustaining forechecks and actually creating chances as a tandem.
We are missing 1 player. Maybe it's Jesper Fast? Pyatt will get the go around. But he's not the solution. Kristo? Maybe he'll get a mid season call up.
Knowing Sather, and having a gut feeling we'll be a top contender by the trade deadline, he'll trade for a vet with decent production to complete the lines ala Antropov a couple years back. Fast and Kristo might get chances before a trade is made, Miller may even get a second shot too. But Pyatt and/or Pouloit won't be in the top 9 going into the home stretch of the season.
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