Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part V: Zib-a-dabba-do

[azrok22]

Kane's contract ruins his value at this point. He's a good player, with the potential to be great, but he hasn't been consistently great. It's a big gamble to take on that contract with the possibility Kane only ends up being a 50 pt player.

Definitely a risk, but if it plus his struggles this year impact his trade value enough that Del Zotto would be the primary piece going to Winnipeg, I take that chance seven days a week and twice on Sundays.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Definitely a risk, but if it plus his struggles this year impact his trade value enough that Del Zotto would be the primary piece going to Winnipeg, I take that chance seven days a week and twice on Sundays.

Oh, absolutely. I don't disagree. Kane would be a huge addition up front.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Definitely a risk, but if it plus his struggles this year impact his trade value enough that Del Zotto would be the primary piece going to Winnipeg, I take that chance seven days a week and twice on Sundays.

Agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Kane hasn't scored in 10 games if I'm correct

 

[The Gloaming]

Youtube vidoes=proof of star nhl player

AINEC.

Blake Wheeler is so underrated it's ridiculous.

 

[Ola]

Kane's contract ruins his value at this point. He's a good player, with the potential to be great, but he hasn't been consistently great. It's a big gamble to take on that contract with the possibility Kane only ends up being a 50 pt player.

Yeah, I am a bit sceptical of Kane.

He is the type, who when they really put it together, they go Cory Perry or Jarome Iginla on you. But that type when they don't put it together tend to be a tad ineffective while always getting paid. Always getting paid.

I definitely don't mind the player. But I definitely mind the bang for the puck both short term and long term.

 

[cd211]

any kane convo would start and end with Kreider going in that direction..

WPG will deal for sure..

what about Ladd..captain, won a cup, and is callahan like

MDZ, 1st for Ladd

Ladd-Richards-Callahan
Kreid-Step-Nash
Hags-Brass-MZA

or..

MDZ, Pouliot/Pyatt (cap), Lindberg/Fast, 1st for Buf and Seto

Nash-Rich-Callahan
Kreid-Step-MZA
Hags-Brass-Seto
Boyl-Moore-Dorsett

Mash

Mac-G
Staal-Buff
Moore-Stral

Falk

 

[RangerBoy]

Larry Brooks

Here’s this about Michael Del Zotto: The Rangers don’t have either Dan Girardi or Anton Stralman under contract beyond this season, so the Blueshirts had best get a minutes-capable defenseman in return for No. 4 if they do indeed trade the 23-year-old.

This too: It’s one thing to move Del Zotto to the right side to play on the second pair in the absence of Marc Staal, as the Rangers were forced to do each of the previous two seasons, but another to move him out of position on the third pair to accommodate John Moore, isn’t it?

No, the Rangers never inquired about Martin Havlat.

If the Senators would care to part with Mark Methot, general manager Bryan Murray might want to hit Glen Sather’s digits.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/23/nhls-playoff-structure-is-ridiculous/

Garrioch

The Rangers are trying to deal to clear up cap space. The name of D Michael Del Zotto was reported in this space earlier this month and he’s available. The Senators, Hurricanes, Oilers and Sharks have interest, but the Rangers want a blueliner in return. Making $2.55 million, he is in coach Alain Vigneault’s doghouse and it’s in GM Glen Sather’s best interest to get Del Zotto moved. The Rangers need to clear money. It’s believed G Henrik Lundqvist wants an eight-year deal in the $8-to-$9 million per-season range. The club also has to try to sign UFA RW Ryan Callahan, UFA D Dan Girardi, UFA D Anton Stralman and you’d think RFA C Derrick Brassard would get a $4 million award in arbitration.

The Sharks have been shopping RW Martin Havlat, who has one year left at $6 million. He’s seen only limited playing time, but there’s mild interest from the Panthers and Rangers

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/11/23/phillys-captain-claude-giroux-set-for-sochi-olympics

What is Garrioch smoking? In the same place,he mentions the needing to clear money by dealing Del Zotto and then writes they have interest in Havlat. Brooks wrote the Rangers never inquired about the player who is signed for next season. Does Garrioich know he contradicted himself?

Garrioch also threw Jeff Gorton's name into the Sabres GM mix along with every other AGM in the NHL. Those Rangers bloggers will pick that up along with the other nonsense such as DZ for Vernon Fiddler.

This D the Rangers are looking to acquire for Del Zotto will be making a decent buck too. Unless the Rangers are looking for a D on an ELC.

The Panthers for Havlat? Tallon acquired him in Chicago but that was a long time ago. Garrioich wrote Tallon is looking to dump his veterans and the writes the Panthers have interest in Havlat.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

At this point, barring any major injuries to top defensemen around the league, I think that Slats is going to hold off on dealing DZ until the pressure of the trade deadline begins to drive up prices across the market. Which, given how the team is playing (and how well DZ played last night) is probably the wisest move. Boring for us armchair GMs, but probably the wisest move.

Still need to do something minor to right the ship in HFD, however.

 

[Vitto79]

At this point, barring any major injuries to top defensemen around the league, I think that Slats is going to hold off on dealing DZ until the pressure of the trade deadline begins to drive up prices across the market. Which, given how the team is playing (and how well DZ played last night) is probably the wisest move. Boring for us armchair GMs, but probably the wisest move.

Still need to do something minor to right the ship in HFD, however.

I doubt it happens but Staal would get the biggest return. Faulk and Tylusty . Don't want it but they could get a good return the mdz goes back LD

Think they are going to run w this group for a while though

 

[RangerBoy]

Darren Dreger was sort of spot on with what the Rangers wanted for Gaborik. A top 4 D and a top 9 forward with a different element some grit. The Rangers acquired Moore on an ELC who has the ability to become a top 4 D. They didn't get the top 9 forward with grit but they got Brassard and Dorsett. Dreger said Sather is probably asking for a lot in the DZ deal. Acquiring a D in a trade in usually not cheap. The Rangers have never paid the price to trade for a D.

The Rangers have acquired young D in the Gomez and Gaborik. Dreger hasn't reported what type of return the Rangers want for DZ.

 

[Mikos87]

Darren Dreger was sort of spot on with what the Rangers wanted for Gaborik. A top 4 D and a top 9 forward with a different element some grit. The Rangers acquired Moore on an ELC who has the ability to become a top 4 D. They didn't get the top 9 forward with grit but they got Brassard and Dorsett. Dreger said Sather is probably asking for a lot in the DZ deal. Acquiring a D in a trade in usually not cheap. The Rangers have never paid the price to trade for a D.

The Rangers have acquired young D in the Gomez and Gaborik. Dreger hasn't reported what type of return the Rangers want for DZ.

All the more credence to not having a deal in place, but exploring their options. Team is still a .500 team with inconsistent players expected to fit into roles. The way I look at it, the Rangers are three spots away from finding a consistent set of lines who can fill in roles.

Hagelin-Richards-Nash

Puck possesion and speed. Hags buys Nash time and space. Rick gets Nashty with time and space. Richards just has to stay consistent and do what he's doing.

Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello

The line isn't a fluke, and definitely effective, showing signs of chemistry. Wouldn't call all the components proven commodities but as long as they play with a point to prove then that's where it's at.

X-X-Callahan

Selke calibur winger, check. Two-way players that raise his game, and give the team a top tier two-way line. Nope. Brassard-Pouliot count as indifference makers out there. Not winning with them.

Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

They've been really good as a unit. The Rangers lost the last two years in the playoffs because they got beat by the other team's 4th lines. NJ with Carter-Gionta-Bernier and Bos with Paille-Cambell-Thornton. Having a high calibur secondary checking unit as your 4th line will do wonders.


MCD-G
Staal-X
Moore-Stralman

Stralman has been great, but no one is going to complain about having an elite level top 4. DZ locked it down the last couple of years with Staal out there, but he too has been inconsistent alongside the French connection. I hope he gets his head screwed on straight and stops being a waifer out there like the top ten round busts up front. There's more hope that DZ rounds out, rather than the Brass or Poo turning into all world checkers.

Ideally Staal lines up with a top 4 RH offensive defensive with some grit. Maybe Staal lines up on the right side and Moore becomes a top 4 player, maybe Stralman picks up the offense, maybe DZ. But I think the team stands more of a chance to get two third line upgrades (whether internally or externally), than that elusive top 4 RHD.

Hank
Cam

Think we know what we're getting here by now. Great job Benny Allaire!

 

[Fitzy]

If we acquire a scoring winger for Del Zotto, they would replace Pouliot in the top 9. Pouliot then becomes a spare forward. Boyle-Moore-Dorsett has been an effective 4th line.

 

[NewLife]

Yeah, I am a bit sceptical of Kane.

He is the type, who when they really put it together, they go Cory Perry or Jarome Iginla on you. But that type when they don't put it together tend to be a tad ineffective while always getting paid. Always getting paid.

I definitely don't mind the player. But I definitely mind the bang for the puck both short term and long term.

I think Kane would have exceed in NY. He's a emotional player who by different reports doesn't really like it in Winnipeg, he likes the attention and the Rangers is just a bigger stage for him to take the next step on.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I think Kane would have exceed in NY. He's a emotional player who by different reports doesn't really like it in Winnipeg, he likes the attention and the Rangers is just a bigger stage for him to take the next step on.

if Sather can get Kane and Sutter for a package of Del Zotto, St.Croix, Fast or Miller, something along those lines.... it should be done

 

[SKjEi o2]

I would honestly rather have Kane than Yakupov. I think WPG would need a big power forward back though so something around MDZ + Kreider gets it done.

 

[NewLife]

I would honestly rather have Kane than Yakupov. I think WPG would need a big power forward back though so something around MDZ + Kreider gets it done.

No Kreider for me but JT is fine.

 

[Mikos87]

I think a Brassard-DZ package for a Kane package makes sense. The Jets are loaded with RHD, maybe a kid like Redmond steps up, but to put it frankly Kane has been a 2nd line LW behind Ladd for years now, and the Jets have had issues with his behavior.

They don't want to pay him millions for what they are getting back off the ice. The price may not be as high as many think, but I would think twice about trying to make another team better in any deal. I'm in the boat with Larry Brooks in thinking that if the Rangers do deal DZ, it will have another defenseman coming back, which may or may not be the centerpiece of the trade.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I would honestly rather have Kane than Yakupov. I think WPG would need a big power forward back though so something around MDZ + Kreider gets it done.

if Kreider goes than Mark Scheifele or Trouba better come back in the deal..

 

[NYR Viper]

I think it's more important for the Rangers to acquire a young puck moving high level prospect with a forward than a NHL dman right now. Bring in someone like Sproul who is a couple of years away who can develop and a nice peace at forward.

SJ is interesting. They have Tennyson and Nieto.

The Hurricanes have next to nothing. Oilers have little unless they move a major piece.

It would be extremely surprising to me if the player they acquire isn't a bigger body who can skate well. The player needs to be able to play at pace. Size is lacking in general at forward within the system.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I think it's more important for the Rangers to acquire a young puck moving high level prospect with a forward than a NHL dman right now. Bring in someone like Sproul who is a couple of years away who can develop and a nice peace at forward.

SJ is interesting. They have Tennyson and Nieto.

The Hurricanes have next to nothing. Oilers have little unless they move a major piece.

It would be extremely surprising to me if the player they acquire isn't a bigger body who can skate well. The player needs to be able to play at pace. Size is lacking in general at forward within the system.

id do something like Tennyson, Nieto and either Freddie Hamilton or Danill Tarasov for Del Zotto, Pouliot Jean and 2ed

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I like Kane, but it's Evander Kane, not Patrick Kane. Why are we trading our almost PPG arguably best forward at 21 or 22 for Kane? Why are Rangers fans so willing to trade their prospects and young players? Remember the dark ages when we would do that all the time and Rangers fans would complain about it? Do you want to get back to that? (I'm aware that half this board was born before the lockout so it's almost a rhetorical question).

 

[Kwayry]

Darren Dreger was sort of spot on with what the Rangers wanted for Gaborik. A top 4 D and a top 9 forward with a different element some grit. The Rangers acquired Moore on an ELC who has the ability to become a top 4 D. They didn't get the top 9 forward with grit but they got Brassard and Dorsett. Dreger said Sather is probably asking for a lot in the DZ deal. Acquiring a D in a trade in usually not cheap. The Rangers have never paid the price to trade for a D.

The Rangers have acquired young D in the Gomez and Gaborik. Dreger hasn't reported what type of return the Rangers want for DZ.

Good find rb, and the bolded is still lost on this board.

I have seen posters state categorically that DZ holds not much value on his own.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I like Kane, but it's Evander Kane, not Patrick Kane. Why are we trading our almost PPG arguably best forward at 21 or 22 for Kane? Why are Rangers fans so willing to trade their prospects and young players? Remember the dark ages when we would do that all the time and Rangers fans would complain about it? Do you want to get back to that? (I'm aware that half this board was born before the lockout so it's almost a rhetorical question).

We aren't.

 

[RangerBoy]

AV and Ulf Samuelsson really like John Moore

AV called Moore "a gem" in the first episode of AV Squad on MSG. "A lot of potential".

Samuelsson's son Philip played in the USHL/Chicago Steel in 08-09. He was teammates with Moore and Philip stayed at Moore's house. Moore is from Chicago. The relationship was there before Ulf came to the Rangers.

At the end of last season, when defenseman John Moore -- acquired from Columbus in the Marian Gaborik trade -- went 1-5-6 in the final 13 games, the former first-rounder was being compared to McDonagh.

He tried to tighten his defense this season and "got away from my game a little bit in the beginning," said Moore, who scored his second goal in Thursday's game in Dallas. "It's something that the coaches addressed with me and challenged me. When I'm skating and getting up in the offense and making plays, that's when I think I'm at my best."

He also had an assist against Boston on Tuesday that ended a 12-game pointless streak.

Alain Vigneault believes in Moore long-term. "When you talk about the ability to skate the puck and move the puck, jump into the play, he's one of the guys that's got more to him," he said.

"The problem may be that some of those opportunities he didn't see or recognize. As you get more experience, you analyze them quicker."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...s-excellent-chance-to-make-team-usa-1.6487295

They like Moore over Del Zotto.