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I like Palmieri, don't want Vatanen. He's in the AHL right now and ANAs defense isn't exactly stacked. I think MDZ is worth a better forward for Palmieri straight up though.

MDZ for Purcell straight up get it done Slats
 
RussianRangersFan said:
If you guys don't mind, can you give a scouting report on those guys? I haven't had the chance to watch the Wild and Ducks play a lot this year.
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Charlie Coyle-Big bodied bruiser who's defensively responsible, good at finishing, and creates lots of room for his linemates. He fought Dubinsky last year, although he doesn't do too much of that. His build is very impressive, 6' 3" 221 lbs. He's very strong, and has that hulking frame ala Lucic. Would love him on this team. But I'd think he's one of Minny's untouchables, to be honest.

Jared Spurgeon-Offensively gifted and creative RHD that was a former Islander draft pick. He is only 5' 9" however, and has a tough time in his own end. He kind of reminds me of Mathieu Schneider. I wouldn't really be interested in him.

Sami Vatanen-Very good defenseman with PPQB abilities, incredible at pushing the pace. Skates like the wind, has a very accurate shot (his wrister is probably his best attribute), he would be the best puck carrier on this team. He is however, not big at 5' 10", and is very aggressive, he gets caught out of position a little too frequently. But with the right coaching he can calm down on that. I honestly don't know why he's in the AHL, however. I've also heard (haven't seen) that he can play the right side. I'd foam at the mouth if we picked him up.

Kyle Palmieri-Is my pick to break out this season. He has no real weaknesses, defensively sound, hell of a shot, quick, good decision maker, thread-the-needle passer, and he also plays with somewhat of an edge. RH shot as well. He's kind of having a difficult time adjusting to the NHL it seems, however, and he's another RW. I'd like it if we picked him up, but DZ is definitely worth more than him.

Hope this helps :).

The Minny trade is more likely, but I'd rather do the Anaheim trade.
 
WojtekGoalski said:
I like Palmieri, don't want Vatanen. He's in the AHL right now and ANAs defense isn't exactly stacked. I think MDZ is worth a better forward for Palmieri straight up though.

MDZ for Purcell straight up get it done Slats
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You're giving MDZ too much credit. Like one person posted earlier, the only thing positive about him right now is MDZ's age. His offensive play has been mediocre and his defensive play has been decent disregarding a few big mistakes. MDZ's value right now is on the cusp of being negative but it's still questionable.

Palmieri and Vatanen would add a lot of good things. I like Palmieri's style of play and I think he would be good on the line with Pouliott and Brass. He actually might be exactly what Brass needs. I've always been a very big Vatanen believer and if he does go to the AHL he would pair up with McIlrath nicely. Falk is well enough to take over the 3rd line D spot and this is a very well oppritunity that might work both ways.

Reasons why I'm against Purcell: I have watched Purcell many times and I find that his play is well in their own zone but most of his points come from assists. I don't think we need anyone who will power our passing play tbh. I mean we got Zucc, Stepan, Hags, Brassard, Richards etc. We don't need any playmakers, we need goal scorers who can be a team player and stick up for our guys when needed (not talking about fighting but maybe every once in a while). That's what will power up some of our offensive players.

Plus Palmieri's American, you know how much we love Team USA :nod:
 
Raspewtin said:
Charlie Coyle-Big bodied bruiser who's defensively responsible, good at finishing, and creates lots of room for his linemates. He kicked Dubinsky's ass last year in a fight too, although he doesn't do too much of that. Would love him on this team. But I'd think he's one of Minny's untouchables, to be honest.

Jared Spurgeon-Offensively gifted and creative RHD that was a former Islander draft pick. He is only 5' 9" however, and has a tough time in his own end. He kind of reminds me of Mathieu Schneider. I wouldn't really be interested in him.

Sami Vatanen-Very good defenseman with PPQB abilities, incredible at pushing the pace. Skates like the wind, has a very accurate shot (his wrister is probably his best attribute), he would be the best puck carrier on this team. He is however, not big at 5' 10", and is very aggressive, he gets caught out of position a little too frequently. But with the right coaching he can calm down on that. I honestly don't know why he's in the AHL, however. I've also heard (haven't seen) that he can play the right side. I'd foam at the mouth if we picked him up.

Kyle Palmieri-Is my pick to break out this season. He has no real weaknesses, defensively sound, hell of a shot, quick, good decision maker, thread-the-needle passer, and he also plays with somewhat of an edge. RH shot as well. He's kind of having a difficult time adjusting to the NHL it seems, however, and he's another RW. I'd like it if we picked him up, but DZ is definitely worth more than him.

Hope this helps :).

The Minny trade is more likely, but I'd rather do the Anaheim trade.
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That was incredibly helpful, thank you! :).

Does either team need a top 4 LD?
 
Is DZ really being shopped?

Since Moore has been struggling, I'd think you would sit him and play DZ on his strong side to raise his value, no?

Are they showcasing DZ or Moore?

If you are sitting DZ and letting Moore play through his struggles, you would think that it's Moore that's being showcased but DZ has definitely more value than Moore and between the 2 of them, I'd rather keep Moore on the bottom pairing, let him play through his struggles and get something good for DZ.
But if that's the case, I would still put Moore on the right side and play DZ on the left side to raise his value.

Maybe he is being scratched for other reasons?
DZ has 4 points so far, AV wants offense from his Dmen and besides McD, DZ is the only other Dmen that can provide offense and he is not at a productive rate.
DZ has 4 points, on pace for about 20 which is half of his normal production.
Why is he struggling offensively? DZ needs a stay at home D as his partner, I think with Moore he doesn't feel he can take risks, I haven't seen him rush the puck as often as he has in the past.

Healthy scratch Michael DelZotto said after #NYR skate that he believes coaches want to see more offensive consistency & creativity from him
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If you are expecting more creativity from him, Moore as a partner and the way he has played won't make it happen.

I doubt DZ is being shopped, I just think AV is trying to spark DZ offensively. IMO, he is going about it the wrong way.
 
RussianRangersFan said:
That was incredibly helpful, thank you! :).

Does either team need a top 4 LD?
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Minny absolutely does. Their D is very thin past Suter and Brodin. They seem to not trust Matt Dumba yet, and Brodin + Suter can't keep playing almost half an hour a game. They definitely need a defenseman.

The Ducks need D as well, the only D on that team I trust are Lovejoy, Beauchemin (who's having a tough season so far), and Lindholm. Sbisa has been terrible, Fowler has actually been pretty good but is still a trainwreck in his own zone, I again don't know why Vatanen is in the AHL. But with Fowler on the team DZ is a bit redundant, although DZ is definitely better defensively than Fowler (he's just, pure awful in his own zone). Ducks need better D now, and while Sami is very gifted offensively, they can't afford to keep playing d-men that suck defensively, which is costing them games. Again, I don't think that ANA trade happens unfortunately. Though it makes sense for both teams.

Kwayry said:
I doubt DZ is being shopped, I just think AV is trying to spark DZ offensively. IMO, he is going about it the wrong way.
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The problem is, what is he supposed to do? DZ isn't better than Staal or McDonagh, and Stralman has been awesome paired with Staal. DZ has nowhere to go but the bottom pairing. It's not fair to keep playing him only 16 minutes a game with the mistake machine John Moore. I think it's really in the best interest for the team to trade him, and AV probably knows that.

Remember that he plays his best hockey when given a lot of minutes, that just can't happen with Staal on the team blocking him.
 
Kwayry said:
I doubt DZ is being shopped, I just think AV is trying to spark DZ offensively. IMO, he is going about it the wrong way.
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See, I think he really is being shopped, but I also don't think the benching has anything to do with it. He's obviously the odd man out here right now and he's a player with value around the league. He's benched for a game and he'll likely be back tomorrow.

In other words, no trade is necessarily imminent, but his name is out there.
 
Raspewtin said:
The problem is, what is he supposed to do? DZ isn't better than Staal or McDonagh, and Stralman has been awesome paired with Staal. DZ has nowhere to go but the bottom pairing. It's not fair to keep playing him only 16 minutes a game with the mistake machine John Moore. I think it's really in the best interest for the team to trade him, and AV probably knows that.
Remember that he plays his best hockey when given a lot of minutes, that just can't happen with Staal on the team blocking him.
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Agreed, but I keep going to the same question that's puzzling me, why don't you switch them to raise DZ's value?
 
I get the feeling both DZ and Brassard are being put in a position to fail. They are saying the same things about them. They are what they are. Two talented but inconsistent players.
 
Kwayry said:
Agreed, but I keep going to the same question that's puzzling me, why don't you switch them to raise DZ's value?
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I don't think his value needs any raising. "Showcasing", to me, is something that only fans think happens. In reality, a team isn't going to ice a different lineup simply to try to gain trade attention. Right now, DZ is a Ranger, and the coaching staff believes that, as a Ranger, the best thing for the player is to sit him out and let him mull a little bit.

Showcasing is a myth.
 
Vidic15 said:
I get the feeling both DZ and Brassard are being put in a position to fail. They are saying the same things about them. They are what they are. Two talented but inconsistent players.
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Brassard has had a combination of things happen to him. The team was playing awful and he was our first line center. The team picked it up and Stepan picked it up, and he missed his window. Once that window was missed, a creative player who needs some offensive competence around him has ended up playing with Pouliot, who is a head scratcher, and Dorsett or Boyle or Pyatt. He's absolutely been put in a "position to fail" for him, but it's not a decision that was consciously made, but rather just the way things have shaken out. We'll see what happens with him when Nash comes back and he ends up with someone capable on his line.
 
Tawnos said:
I don't think his value needs any raising. "Showcasing", to me, is something that only fans think happens. In reality, a team isn't going to ice a different lineup simply to try to gain trade attention. Right now, DZ is a Ranger, and the coaching staff believes that, as a Ranger, the best thing for the player is to sit him out and let him mull a little bit.

Showcasing is a myth.
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Well, I will agree and disagree. I think the coach ices the best players that will help him win a game.
But showcasing is definitely not a myth.
 
And you guys really think Moore is struggling? Stats aren't everything, I mean that's just me assuming that you're basing it off of stats but I see Moore as a great offensive and defensive addition to the team, even better than DZ.
 
Koekkoek4U said:
And you guys really think Moore is struggling? Stats aren't everything, I mean that's just me assuming that you're basing it off of stats but I see Moore as a great offensive and defensive addition to the team, even better than DZ.
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He's been fine as a 3rd pairing D. I think most of us would like to see more top-4 level play out of him. Those who think he's struggling really just have high expectations for him. Higher than a 3rd pair guy.
 
Kwayry said:
Well, I will agree and disagree. I think the coach ices the best players that will help him win a game.
But showcasing is definitely not a myth.
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Give me an example of when a player was put in the lineup or given more ice time at the expense of a better player and then traded soon after?
 
Koekkoek4U said:
And you guys really think Moore is struggling? Stats aren't everything, I mean that's just me assuming that you're basing it off of stats but I see Moore as a great offensive and defensive addition to the team, even better than DZ.
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He may well be in the future, but right now he is struggling. That's just by the eye test, I am not even looking at the stats.
I thought Moore should have gained weight in the offseason, he actually lost weight. I think that hurt him, he is losing a lot of one on one battles. He has a couple of turnovers a game, and I don't see him shooting the puck as frequently or accurately as last season.
You can see the potential, he just needs a little time and patience. I hope he gets it. But there is no doubt, he is currently struggling mightily.
And there is no way to objectively state that he is currently better than DZ, that's just naive IMO.
 
Coyle, Zibanejad, Palmieri are the exact types Sather should be looking at.

Skilled kids who play a complete game and are on the verge of breaking out...but still have some risk. Potential to grow into the type of well rounded offensive threats that you win with.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Coyle, Zibanejad, Palmieri are the exact types Sather should be looking at.

Skilled kids who play a complete game and are on the verge of breaking out...but still have some risk. Potential to grow into the type of well rounded offensive threats that you win with.
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I'm really hoping Slats can work his magic.
 
I can't usually say this, but I definitely trust Sather here. He'll get a good return, that is if DZ is actually being moved.
 
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