Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part IV: Yak Yak Yak Yak

[Mikos87]

Look if DZ goes to arbitration he will get paid. He has plenty of value both for teams and his next contract. If it is at the point where DZ's value is worth a lot more to another team than the Rangers then I see a realistic possibility of moving him.

The Rangers have the ability to package deals to upgrade the team. I for one see the need for a top 4 RHD with some nasty that can elevate Staal's game. The Rangers then line up two "stretch 4's" in Moore and Stralman as 5-6.

These are the guys that I feel would make the Rangers better, and would do a package a deal to make things happen. The guys coming back have to better athletes.

E. Kane
Subban
Myers at 3.5
Bogosian at 4
Shattenkirk
Hall
Faulk
Carlson

 

[Fitzy]

Subban would never be dealt.

We'd have to pull some serious strings for Kane to pull that off.

I love Bogo, but the guy gets overrated by this entire board.

Faulk, Carlson, of course, but Myers has been falling off every year since his rookie season.

 

[surf]

MDZ + 1ST for Kane

Sign me up

 

[Mikos87]

Subban would never be dealt.

We'd have to pull some serious strings for Kane to pull that off.

I love Bogo, but the guy gets overrated by this entire board.

Faulk, Carlson, of course, but Myers has been falling off every year since his rookie season.

Hey those guys aren't available for a reason, but you never know what goes on behind the scenes. There have been issues with Kane since the team move to Winnipeg, there has to be a time where enough is enough. Heard it from a guy on Canadian sports radio who was up for a few NHL GM jobs the past 3 summers, from his perspective there was a gross level of disrespect being towards the team from Kane.

These things happen. Boston justifies the Seguin trade as a hockey move when it was Seguin's off ice antics that drove himself out of bean town.

One of the most infamous Ranger trades of all time came about because there was a need to avoid a fiasco that had absolutely nothing to do with hockey. Hockey players are people too, and there are things that all people go through that may require a change of scenery.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Look if DZ goes to arbitration he will get paid. He has plenty of value both for teams and his next contract. If it is at the point where DZ's value is worth a lot more to another team than the Rangers then I see a realistic possibility of moving him.

The Rangers have the ability to package deals to upgrade the team. I for one see the need for a top 4 RHD with some nasty that can elevate Staal's game. The Rangers then line up two "stretch 4's" in Moore and Stralman as 5-6.

These are the guys that I feel would make the Rangers better, and would do a package a deal to make things happen. The guys coming back have to better athletes.

E. Kane
Subban
Myers at 3.5
Bogosian at 4
Shattenkirk
Hall
Faulk
Carlson

My lord is DZ overvalued on this board. Typical HFNYR overvaluing our own home grown players. I know you said you would package, but there's no MDZ package we could possibly offer for the bolded players that didn't include Nash/McDonagh/Hank etc. MDZ + is not getting us Subban, Hall, Kane, etc.

Can we all take a step back and realize what MDZ really is?

Offensively: above average but inconsistent; terrible shot accuracy from the point and doesn't have a big shot to begin with
Defensively: average to below average; usually makes his fair share of mistakes in his own end but recovers more often than not
Age: Young; 23. The best thing he has going for him if some team takes a flyer on the prospect of him improving his game

He's not the next coming of Leetch. He's not going to fetch us any game breaking forwards by himself. And IMO, we have nothing we should be packaging other than trash (Pyatt/Powe/Asham etc) which for obvious reasons other teams probably don't want. The ONLY player that has any type of value that we should look towards packaging would be Brassard because of our abundance of Centers. Although dealing Brassard assumes that

A) Richards stays next season OR
B) Miller is ready to take the #2C role next season

 

[Mikos87]

My lord is DZ overvalued on this board. Typical HFNYR overvaluing our own home grown players. I know you said you would package, but there's no MDZ package we could possibly offer for the bolded players that didn't include Nash/McDonagh/Hank etc. MDZ + is not getting us Subban, Hall, Kane, etc.

Can we all take a step back and realize what MDZ really is?

Offensively: above average but inconsistent; terrible shot accuracy from the point and doesn't have a big shot to begin with
Defensively: average to below average; usually makes his fair share of mistakes in his own end but recovers more often than not
Age: Young; 23. The best thing he has going for him if some team takes a flyer on the prospect of him improving his game

He's not the next coming of Leetch. He's not going to fetch us any game breaking forwards by himself. And IMO, we have nothing we should be packaging other than trash (Pyatt/Powe/Asham etc) which for obvious reasons other teams probably don't want. The ONLY player that has any type of value that we should look towards packaging would be Brassard because of our abundance of Centers. Although dealing Brassard assumes that

A) Richards stays next season OR
B) Miller is ready to take the #2C role next season

Yes Package. Brandon Dubinsky was the best player going back in the Rick Nash deal. John Moore in the Gaborik deal. Pascal Dupuis in the Hossa deal. Jakub Silverberg in the Bobby Ryan deal.

My Lord is right. These things do happen.

 

[Anthony Eclair]

My lord is DZ overvalued on this board. Typical HFNYR overvaluing our own home grown players. I know you said you would package, but there's no MDZ package we could possibly offer for the bolded players that didn't include Nash/McDonagh/Hank etc. MDZ + is not getting us Subban, Hall, Kane, etc.

Can we all take a step back and realize what MDZ really is?

Offensively: above average but inconsistent; terrible shot accuracy from the point and doesn't have a big shot to begin with
Defensively: average to below average; usually makes his fair share of mistakes in his own end but recovers more often than not
Age: Young; 23. The best thing he has going for him if some team takes a flyer on the prospect of him improving his game

He's not the next coming of Leetch. He's not going to fetch us any game breaking forwards by himself. And IMO, we have nothing we should be packaging other than trash (Pyatt/Powe/Asham etc) which for obvious reasons other teams probably don't want. The ONLY player that has any type of value that we should look towards packaging would be Brassard because of our abundance of Centers. Although dealing Brassard assumes that

A) Richards stays next season OR
B) Miller is ready to take the #2C role next season

Do people seriously have that big of an issue with Brassard? I feel like his passing and over all playmaking skills are vital to some of our biggest wins. The kid was amazing last year and without him, we wouldn't have gotten as far as we did. AV loves him too, he falls in perfectly with his passing scheme on the PP and adds to our depth which is something we need. In other words, there is no way we're packaging Brassard.

Although, you're thoughts on DZ are pretty accurate, there is no way we're obtaining any big players like Kane, Subban, Hall etc. Let's think about our 1st round too, we had no 1st last year because of the Nash trade and we have no 2nd this year. AV likes younger players too and I don't think fans want to go 2 years without a 1st right? So there's no way we can throw that away.

If Sather can obtain
Zibanejad
Yakupov
or Connelly
that will be a plus

If anyone has more players to add do so please. MAKE IT REASONABLE

 

[Fitzy]

The question come the end of the year will be whether the Rangers keep Richards or Brassard. I get the feeling they will go with one or the other.

Obviously, Brad is older and has the big, long contract more conducive to a buyout. But, he has been playing better than Brassard who could also be dealt for picks/prospects.

I think regardless of what the Rangers do with MDZ, they will have only one of those two guys back. They'll either look to groom Lindberg into that third line center spot or find another. Of course, whether Boyle returns is also another issue.

 

[azrok22]

The question come the end of the year will be whether the Rangers keep Richards or Brassard. I get the feeling they will go with one or the other.

Obviously, Brad is older and has the big, long contract more conducive to a buyout. But, he has been playing better than Brassard who could also be dealt for picks/prospects.

I think regardless of what the Rangers do with MDZ, they will have only one of those two guys back. They'll either look to groom Lindberg into that third line center spot or find another. Of course, whether Boyle returns is also another issue.

Keeping Richards would be monumentally stupid. The risk is simply too high. This is not a team that struggles to attract UFAs, so his money can be reallocated on a player who doesn't carry the risk of a massive cap recapture penalty.

Keeping Richards would absolutely be a short-term, mortgage the future move, and one that this team has no business risking. It sucks that the CBA created this risk, but it did, and regardless of how well he plays the rest of this season we need to adjust accordingly for the future of this team.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Yes Package. Brandon Dubinsky was the best player going back in the Rick Nash deal. John Moore in the Gaborik deal. Pascal Dupuis in the Hossa deal. Jakub Silverberg in the Bobby Ryan deal.

My Lord is right. These things do happen.

Package what though? What proven NHL players do we have to package? We don't have the same depth we did before the Nash deal. All those trades were depth for talent (quantity for quality) trades. We don't currently have the quantity, UNLESS you move Brassard which means then Richards likely doesn't get bought out in the summer, which I really don't like

Do people seriously have that big of an issue with Brassard? I feel like his passing and over all playmaking skills are vital to some of our biggest wins. The kid was amazing last year and without him, we wouldn't have gotten as far as we did. AV loves him too, he falls in perfectly with his passing scheme on the PP and adds to our depth which is something we need. In other words, there is no way we're packaging Brassard. I would be strongly against moving Brassard but the facts are the only position we have an abundance of is C and LD. We're already obviously talking about moving MDZ, and we can't trade Richards. Therefore the only valuable player we could realistically package MDZ with would be Brassard

Although, you're thoughts on DZ are pretty accurate, there is no way we're obtaining any big players like Kane, Subban, Hall etc. Let's think about our 1st round too, we had no 1st last year because of the Nash trade and we have no 2nd this year. AV likes younger players too and I don't think fans want to go 2 years without a 1st right? So there's no way we can throw that away.

If Sather can obtain
Zibanejad
Yakupov
or Connelly
that will be a plus

If anyone has more players to add do so please. MAKE IT REASONABLE

I have no problem with Brassard at all, I really like his game. I think bringing in Arniel was the worst thing for him. He's not the type of player that can succeed on the third line with Pouliot and Pyatt, he's not Crosby. But he's very slick with the puck, creative, and has some finishing ability. He just needs more ice time/PP time. Last year we relied on him in the playoffs and he was unreal; I don't understand how Mr.Holdout plays like dirt the first 10 games of the season yet is put ahead of Brassard on the depth chart.

And I agree with your more realistic list. A player like Zibanejad is a realistic trade value wise. And with the way the Oilers are going right now probably Yakupov as well

 

[The Gloaming]

Yak
Connolly
Zib
Coyle
Zucker
Etem
Barrie
Siemens
Elliot

Guys like that. Who haven't broken out yet, but are almost there.

 

[hpNYR]

tuns out I don't

Maybe you don't know how to read question marks? Saying something and asking something are two different things.

 

[Emptyvoid]

Would Ottawa even consider Zibs for MDZ?

 

[Kakko]

Maybe you don't know how to read question marks? Saying something and asking something are two different things.

You posed Skjei? as a question. Then you separately said 'certainly not McIlrath'

This makes it sound like Skjei is a more likely replacement than McIlrath

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I'd love to get Etem from Anaheim, kid has speed beyond belief but what would they need Del Z for? They have Fowler and Vatnnainen.

 

[Trxjw]

I have a hard time seeing Del Zotto being traded in a 1 for 1 deal. I think it'll be for a couple kids ready to turn the corner. Always liked Vatenen, and he was just assigned to the minors. Del Zotto gets crapped on by people, but he's proven that he can play at a high level. He was never going to outplay Staal or McDonagh, and the experiment to move him to the right side has failed. Time to move on, but I doubt his value is nearly as low as certain people seem to think.

He's not going to return Evander Kane, but I don't think a package like Coyle and Spurgeon would be entirely unrealistic. The trade market isn't exactly teeming with 23 y/o puck moving defenders who have a couple 40 point seasons under their belt.

 

[mrhockey193195]

I'm not someone who necessarily wants to trade DZ just yet...but boy, would it be nice to have a time machine, go back 2 seasons and trade DZ for Voynov. To me, Voynov is the exact RHD the team desperately needs.

 

[Crease]

One thing is for sure. I trust Sather to get good value in return for Del Zotto. The guy is a wizard when it comes to this stuff.

 

[beef 4 lunch]

Trading Del Zotto is a smart move. but not for another defender. the only way Del Zotto goes is if there is confidence that someone from inside can step right in a play solid defense. We would be dealing from our strength to improve our offense. IMO. The only question to me is what hole can they fill up front most effectively, by trading Del Zotto.

 

[NYR Viper]

Vatanen + Palmieri would be a good deal for the Rangers...

 

[Mikos87]

I have a hard time seeing Del Zotto being traded in a 1 for 1 deal. I think it'll be for a couple kids ready to turn the corner. Always liked Vatenen, and he was just assigned to the minors. Del Zotto gets crapped on by people, but he's proven that he can play at a high level. He was never going to outplay Staal or McDonagh, and the experiment to move him to the right side has failed. Time to move on, but I doubt his value is nearly as low as certain people seem to think.

He's not going to return Evander Kane, but I don't think a package like Coyle and Spurgeon would be entirely unrealistic. The trade market isn't exactly teeming with 23 y/o puck moving defenders who have a couple 40 point seasons under their belt.

GMs would be foolish not to mitigate their returns by going for a one for one deal. I think the Seguin deal is a good mold for the sort of trades people will see under the new CBA, especially since salary can be traded.

Teams with depth concerns can sell cap space in trades now as Florida just did with Versteeg. It makes trades tougher to make, but ultimately it is a very GM friendly set up because the new provisions allow for measures that can mitigate the Heatley to Min, Gomez type deals where a team is taking on the entire contract.

It is crippling to an organization when it backfires, so this new system allowing salary to be in trades is what can be used to move players around. Trades like that costs GMs their jobs so you can bet that more multifaceted deals take place.

 

[Raspewtin]

Can Palmieri play his off wing? Vatanen + Palmieri would be a good deal for both sides.

 

[Emptyvoid]

I have a hard time seeing Del Zotto being traded in a 1 for 1 deal. I think it'll be for a couple kids ready to turn the corner. Always liked Vatenen, and he was just assigned to the minors. Del Zotto gets crapped on by people, but he's proven that he can play at a high level. He was never going to outplay Staal or McDonagh, and the experiment to move him to the right side has failed. Time to move on, but I doubt his value is nearly as low as certain people seem to think.

He's not going to return Evander Kane, but I don't think a package like Coyle and Spurgeon would be entirely unrealistic. The trade market isn't exactly teeming with 23 y/o puck moving defenders who have a couple 40 point seasons under their belt.

Vatanen + Palmieri would be a good deal for the Rangers...

If you guys don't mind, can you give a scouting report on those guys? I haven't had the chance to watch the Wild and Ducks play a lot this year.

 

[Bluenote13]

I have a hard time seeing Del Zotto being traded in a 1 for 1 deal. I think it'll be for a couple kids ready to turn the corner. Always liked Vatenen, and he was just assigned to the minors. Del Zotto gets crapped on by people, but he's proven that he can play at a high level. He was never going to outplay Staal or McDonagh, and the experiment to move him to the right side has failed. Time to move on, but I doubt his value is nearly as low as certain people seem to think.

He's not going to return Evander Kane, but I don't think a package like Coyle and Spurgeon would be entirely unrealistic. The trade market isn't exactly teeming with 23 y/o puck moving defenders who have a couple 40 point seasons under their belt.

I'm not someone who necessarily wants to trade DZ just yet...but boy, would it be nice to have a time machine, go back 2 seasons and trade DZ for Voynov. To me, Voynov is the exact RHD the team desperately needs.

Voynov, Vatanen, few seasons ago they were the guys I mentioned in trade threads. I don't know their current availability but it's certainly higher than it was then.

Coyle still has good value, I don't know if Del Z gets him one for one. Also not sure thats the kind of player they might be looking to acquire.

I still think if he ends up anywhere Del Z goes to Tampa with his friend Stamkos.

Vatanen + Palmieri would be a good deal for the Rangers...

Yeah they would be good additions but for what asking price? More than just Del Z.

 

[eco's bones]

Look if DZ goes to arbitration he will get paid. He has plenty of value both for teams and his next contract. If it is at the point where DZ's value is worth a lot more to another team than the Rangers then I see a realistic possibility of moving him.

The Rangers have the ability to package deals to upgrade the team. I for one see the need for a top 4 RHD with some nasty that can elevate Staal's game. The Rangers then line up two "stretch 4's" in Moore and Stralman as 5-6.

These are the guys that I feel would make the Rangers better, and would do a package a deal to make things happen. The guys coming back have to better athletes.

E. Kane
Subban
Myers at 3.5
Bogosian at 4
Shattenkirk
Hall
Faulk
Carlson

If DZ gets $4 mil maybe--if he gets more than that I have my doubts and it's not like the Rangers didn't walk away from Zherdev--another young player who wasn't getting better. The Rangers could live easier with his subtraction from the lineup than most of the rest of our defense corps. McD has taken over his pwp spot and AV is cutting his ice time. If there is a time to move DZ it's between now and the trade deadline.

Of your list Myers has been going downhill since his rookie year. Subban and Hall are pipe dreams. Might have to add to get some of the others.