Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part III - 11/11 Yakupov willing to be moved

[Thirty One]

Edmonton needs a Russian player to mentor Yakupov.

Bryzgalov

 

[bernmeister]

They can add to make it work, but not multiple 1st rounders or other crazy ****. Girardi is a UFA.

It is believed Girardi would be inclined to sign w/TML if $ is close/=.

Can have a handshake and allow some discussion with his people in advance of a deal, see if he is amenable to extension after trade.

Multiple 1sts is not crazy if they are immediately picking up another whole D of min 1st round value. Up front. Plus they are getting 2 2nds.

If you don't want to think outside the box, you reap what you have sowed. You either do a deal like I proposed, with some initiative, and get good results, or you hold on to DG, and he walks or costs too much.

If you have a legit criticism on merits, constructive criticism, please, go for it.
But realize standing pat like an ostrich with your ass in the air and bending over is not likely to yield desired results

So stop complaining about people trying to make lemonade out of lemons.

And Yes, IT CAN BE DONE.

 

[bernmeister]

Different? It's the same as all your proposals. ... .

I believe this is the first prop by anyone suggesting MDZ and DG + for Multiple 1sts +

 

[Thirty One]

I believe this is the first prop by anyone suggesting MDZ and DG + for Multiple 1sts +

is that a hint of pride I detect?

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

is that a hint of pride I detect?

You're gonna have to offer up your best prospect + 2014 & 2015 1st ++ for that kinda information, buddy.

 

[aufheben]

I don't fear complexity, but trades like that never happen.

 

[Pizza]

The Rangers will be very careful w/any deal that involves moving Del Zotto. The question that I see people failing to answer is "what do you replace Del Zotto with."

He's had a bit of a slow start, but he's on the verge of delivering a much better, more consistent peformance, imo. His natural attrributes are a good fit for the current system, so I think it's just a matter of time.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

I believe this is the first prop by anyone suggesting MDZ and DG + for Multiple 1sts +

The New York Rangers would be the New Edmontorontian Habnuckyotes right now if you were GM. Everyone who is a Rangers (except for Kreider) has been proposed at one point or another by you. You're all over the place. That's what I meant by my comment.

We would have traded for Hall, then flipped Hall for a 1st, then flipped our 7 upcoming 1sts for the rights to Pavel Bure's genes, then traded those genes for another 1st and a few prospects that have ZOMG BLAZZZING SPEEEEEEEED.

You're incapable of creating a proposal that:
1). Makes sense
2). Is realistic
3). Doesn't involve 57 moving parts.

And then you get snippy when people call you out on your terrible proposals.

The worst part is, most of your proposals don't even improve the Rangers. That's mind-boggling.

 

[Vitto79]

The Rangers will be very careful w/any deal that involves moving Del Zotto. The question that I see people failing to answer is "what do you replace Del Zotto with."

He's had a bit of a slow start, but he's on the verge of delivering a much better, more consistent peformance, imo. His natural attrributes are a good fit for the current system, so I think it's just a matter of time.

Tyson Barrie didn't crack the Avs lineup but he's still young and may be good on 3rd pair. Barrie plus a 2nd?

 

[bernmeister]

The Rangers will be very careful w/any deal that involves moving Del Zotto. The question that I see people failing to answer is "what do you replace Del Zotto with."

He's had a bit of a slow start, but he's on the verge of delivering a much better, more consistent peformance, imo. His natural attrributes are a good fit for the current system, so I think it's just a matter of time.

Assuming no asset in return on any deal,

immediately, replacement is Moore or if Moore RD, then Connor Allen.

short term, probably Skjei

long term, remains to be seen, Ryan Graves for an LD is on my radar.

 

[cd211]

Tyson Barrie didn't crack the Avs lineup but he's still young and may be good on 3rd pair. Barrie plus a 2nd?

listen to what some of you are saying... He's still young and "may be" a good on the 3rd pair.. barries good but how is that better then what DZ brings.. why make that trade then..

we trade MDZ if we're getting something top 4 or top 6 fwd..not for ifs or maybes..

i think at the deadline he'll be the player moved out with a pyatt/pouliot for cap

 

[bernmeister]

is that a hint of pride I detect?

Just sayin, with SO many similar MDZ to Edm props, and DG to Tor for the 1st + but that + not identified, I believed this was fresh, and ultimately useful.

 

[bernmeister]

Gardiner might yet become a really good defenceman, but I am not sold on him yet. He does have talent, I agree. Granted, I don't watch him anywhere close to how much I watch the Rangers. I like Girardi's game and if he did get traded, I would not want a defenceman of Gardiner's calibre back, I would be wanting the trade to be for a solid top six forward. Richards will not be here next season, in all likelihood.

My detractors are critical, and ignore that I speak not to one single deal, but a short series of moves.

Difference between photo and video.

Gardiner is trade asset, IMO.

Am reworking those deals.
Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE input.

 

[bernmeister]

Is there any way we can have a thread that delves into the thought process of Bern? I'm legitimately befuddled after every single post you make. It's one thing to want the trade the farm for all the young talent in the league in a video game and simulate forward a few years and have a sick roster. That's fun to do, in a video game. But honestly, I don't understand how anyone can legitimately think this is the right thing to do in real life. I really have to know what is going on in your head and what is behind these posts. They're all so long and thought out, it is seriously insane. I need to know what makes you tick.

Running out of power so for now this has to do, happy to pm w/you, meet + discuss in more detail.

Basically, difference between me and my detractors is, I examine multiple possibilities, without being married to one until it is clear cut that it is head and shoulders the best way to go; AND I suggest not one impractical trade, but a series of trades, which show a whole plan. The larger deals can usually be cut into smaller ones, although there is sometimes a synergy so it is preferable not to do that (for example, if you make a deal and send a L and R D so it is a pair, that is more than singly, so better value returned.

power out///

 

[Crease]

So this is where bern hides out when he's not ranking historical players. I should hang out in here more often.

 

[eco's bones]

And now for something completely different....

What about...
Girardi, Del Zotto, Ranger 2nd 2014, Ranger 2nd 2015
to TML for
Gardiner, TML 1st 2014, TML 1st 2015

4 assets for 3;
2 first round value + two 2nds for 3 first rounders (value)

----------------- then

We do the two Toronto 1sts, add our NYR 2014 1st, and a guy like Tommy Hughes, a big RD with some potential, but very raw. to Buffalo for Ristolainen (now) + Bufs 2014 2nd.

Sure Risto is a building block, but they also need more total blue chips and getting 3 firsts for 8th or whatever overall + throw in is possibly worth it for rebuilding Sabes club.

Sure, Risto is a rookie learning the ropes but he's the real deal, McIlrath but a better skater.

We cut a separate deal for J. Schultz, maybe.
An inexpensive add for Postma, maybe ...
or...........

go whole hog and do Stepan + Callahan + Ryan Graves + Calle Andersson + Buf 2nd 2014 + x for Seth Jones + Preds 2014 1st
Step + Cally each worth minimum 1.5 first each, + two nice prospect Ds, matching L-R pair, + high 2nd. Not too shabby. If they make him available at all.


Depending exactly on what's moved,

McD - Jones
Staal - Risto
Gardiner - Stalman /J Schultz
Moore flipping back n forth
Skjei - McIlrath

on offense
Richards - Brassard - Nash
Kreider - Miller - Zuc / Kristo
Hagelin - Lindberg - Fast
Hrivik - Moore - Dorsett

Boyle, if not traded, in mix.
Pyatt gone.

something like this.

til tomorrow...

None of these deals makes any sense. They don't fill present day needs. Almost every trade you make is about some magical time in the future when some of these kids will have hit their ceilings (if that happens) and we'll have some kind of super team. Somehow I doubt you'd ever stop though--you'd be perpetually making more deals and basically your whole shtick is about identifying some player you have high future hopes for and overpaying for them for an ever and always future day of glory--or a burnout. It's either the rapture or the apocalypse with this **** and more than likely the apocalypse.

You're a compulsive wheeler dealer. You could join Phil Esposito and Mike Milbury and cofound Traders Anonymous.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Bern you try way too hard to prove to people how much smarter you are than them. It's already a fact, no need to rub it in.

 

[GAGLine]

I believe this is the first prop by anyone suggesting MDZ and DG + for Multiple 1sts +

What you never seem to grasp is the idea that we aren't rebuilding. We aren't trading important roster players for future assets. We aren't totally dismantling our roster for a former top pick.

 

[bobbop]

Think there may be something brewing between Phoenix and Philadelphia. Wayne Simmons for a young defenseman (not Yandle)? Coyotes need some more sandpaper and have a surplus on the backend.

 

[Championship*]

Think there may be something brewing between Phoenix and Philadelphia. Wayne Simmons for a young defenseman (not Yandle)? Coyotes need some more sandpaper and have a surplus on the backend.

Rundblad? OEL obviously untouchable.

 

[McSauer]

Would you guys do Del Zotto for Simmonds? I'd have to pull the trigger on that...

 

[doncherrysgrill]

Would you guys do Del Zotto for Simmonds? I'd have to pull the trigger on that...

Wouldn't trade within the division, but yes. Absolutely.

I don't exactly think the dropoff between Del Zotto and whoever you'd have to replace him with is that terrible. I think Falk can fill in and play fine, McIlrath has been extremely impressive in Hartford this year. Del Zotto isn't a terrible player by any means but he's not a top 4 guy. Moore is just as good, if not better than Del Zotto at this point in all areas of the ice. I think Moore playing with the stay-at-home type guy like Staal would do wonders for his game. Remember that Moore is highly regarded for his offensive skill and has spent most of his time with the Rangers paired with either Stralman or Del Zotto.

I'd seriously consider moving DZ for a pick if you can't get an established player for him now, and I'd also SERIOUSLY consider moving more picks to get into the top 5 this year. I don't see any possibility the Rangers are in the McDavid hunt or I'd say you try to trade for 2015 picks. There's some really great high-end forwards in this year's draft and if you can get in the top 10 and grab a Nick Ritchie or Leon Draisaitl I'd take that over a shaky "offensive" defenseman who is going to want to re-sign for more money like Del Zotto any day.

 

[aufheben]

Would you guys do Del Zotto for Simmonds? I'd have to pull the trigger on that...

Probably.

 

[Ace2008]

m.sauer replacement?

seems like mcilrath is more of a #5/6

and hes 2o yrs old.

getting someone inexpensive like e.gryba makes a lot of sense since there will be more room cap wise after nash returns,

right now zucker in minnesota reminds alot of callahan. clutch and fast.

after cooke signing--zuckers left out and nyr already swapped with wild .

third guy i'd like to seein nyr blue is A.stewart6'2/244 speedster whos ggod for about 10-15 games isexactly what the team needs until they get nash back.


kristo/fast+pick =zucker
waiver wire pick up tootoo(imagine him +dorsett on same line in ahl)
zucc/stralman=gryba

zucker-brad-kreider mcDonagh-gryba

pouliot-stepan-stewart j/moore-general girardi

hagelin-brassard-callahan staal-mdz/redmond

pyatt-moore-boyle

dorsett-powe-tootoo

needs more right shooting speedsters on bluline....maybe j.schultz ?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Would you guys do Del Zotto for Simmonds? I'd have to pull the trigger on that...

If and only if there's a replacement in the top 6. I personally wouldn't go through the last six weeks of the season with Justin Falk.

MclIrath is developing nicely but he's not quite ready. Yet.

Connor Allen is still learning the pro game. He's looked good in camp and in Hartford, but he had a bad game as did the entire team against the Providence Bruins the other night. He still needs work.

Also gang, Girardi isn't going anywhere. Unless this team goes on some crazy losing streak, as long as they're still in it, he's here to stay. Whether or not he's a UFA and goes somewhere else (they'll sign him, I'm pretty sure about that one) is a different story.