Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Thread Part II (Mod warning post #861)
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TheTakedown
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Edmonton sucks. I saw their first period with Florida after watching their game against the Wings on Saturday. If I were Lowe and MacTavish,I would not want to watch that team either.
Yakupov stick checks. He doesn't compete for pucks. He doesn't hit anyone.
Jim Matheson
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/spor...+Oilers+York+Rangers+Chris/9129214/story.html
His article is all based on maybes. What happened to journalism?
Yakupov stick checks. He doesn't compete for pucks. He doesn't hit anyone.
Jim Matheson
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/spor...+Oilers+York+Rangers+Chris/9129214/story.html
His article is all based on maybes. What happened to journalism?
haveandare
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Great point and I agree.
I don't think any of these abilities stick out for Yakubov.
Defense: Underrated. He works hard and goes hard after the puck. Flaws? You bet, but not that big of a worry for a young kid.
Work-ethic: Overall, probably really good. The kid obviously has a tremendous drive and must work out extremely hard to be as skilled as he is. He is hardly a floater on the ice.
Mentality: Some reason for concern. Given that its a hockey player we are talking about, his attitude could possibly be qualified as a big negative.
Show boat. Very star focused. Big head.
How this will play out, I think solely depends on where he ends up, how well he plays and how he is threated. If he can't really meet his expectations and media/fans/coaches/brass in his club starts to pressure him, it could be a recipe for disaster. He he plays really well, I don't have any reason for concern. In between good or bad? I think it comes down to the city he is in. His teammates etc.
Bottom line, I think Nail got much fewer question marks than Kovalchuk. Kova had a bigger head and bigger flaws than Yakubov. And Kova was loved in Atlanta, and the moment he wound up on a slightly better team he took that team to the Stanley Cup finals by himself. Pat Kane is a player in Chicago that seem to have some issues to for sure. I hardly think Kane is all that much better than Nail. OTOH, I think there is a bigger risk with Nail Yakupov than Kane and Kovalchuk, because Nail is not quite as good as those two. And its when these players starts to struggle that there are reason for concern, as we have seen over the years.
The big risk with Yakupov is definitely the KHL. And then its a great minus that you have to pay him so darn much instantly when he becomes a RFA.
I agree, but I like that he got alot of potential to become a really good PP player. He is a great passer and a good shooter, and he got the really modern really quick puck handling ability that is the trademark of any good PP. I really really think a PP with Yaks down low on the right side and BR up on the right point could have alot of potential.
Then I think Yaks is a bit overrated 5 on 5. He is small and not extremely fast, he is extremely quick feets, but he isn't the type that constantly is flying the length of the ice.
Or he asked him 6 days ago when Kreider was still a bust...
I think you gotta lean towards moving Kreider for Yakupov no doubt. Its so easy now to say that we need Kreider, but wait till we start to get up there as a contender but -- like so many others -- falls short because we don't have quite the elite talent that the best team haves, and that talent like it often does seem completely impossible to get. Like how often can you get a really talented player? You are lucky to get one every ten years.
For all that Kreider is doing right now, he seems to play out as a 2nd-3rd line winger who can pop around 40 pts. My point is just, I have a hard time seing us "not" being able to replace Kreider if we are willing to pay 3.5-4.5m on the UFA market. We could be forced to wait a long time for a kid as talented as Yaks.
I totally disagree with the bolded. We're comparing a guy who can't find ways to score on the current Oilers team, which is built pretty much only to be able to score, to Patrick Kane and Kovalchuk? Two incredible scorers with years and years of solid production, and in Kane's case, two Stanley Cups? That's a huge, huge stretch to me. Yakupov has the potential to be a consistent NHL scorer. Kovy and Kane were, and in Kane's case, still are, consistent NHL scorers who can carry NHL franchises on their backs. Yak can't currently even contribute to helping his team win, let alone carry them.
I wouldn't move Kreider for Yak right now. Kreider is erasing some of the question marks surrounding his potential and Yak is creating more every game. Yeah, you need elite talent, but you also need guys who play a complete game and who are hard to play against. Yak, even if he pans out as the offensive force he's capable of being, is never going to be the kind of guy that people hate to line up against. Further, for all his "elite talent" he's not finding ways to display it. Zherdev had "elite talent" too. Doesn't mean much if you can't make use of it. I don't mean to say that Yak will end up like Zherdev, he obviously has a better resume up to this point, but the point is that talent doesn't mean much of anything if it can't be used in a practical way. Z couldn't make use of his, and Yak isn't making use of his right now either.
I also think you're underselling Kreider. He doesnt seem to be the kind of guy who is measured solely in points scored. Callahan is "only" a 50 point, 2nd line guy, but you aren't going to get Callahan on the UFA market for a fair price because his points aren't where his value lies. He hits everything, he plays both sides of the puck and he's a natural leader. I think Kreider can be another player like that, plus he has some offensive tools (speed and release in particular) that Callahan doesn't. If those guys were so easy to get on the UFA market, NYR would have picked another one up instead of waiting to see if Kreider can become that type of player.
Yak has a ton of potential and I'd love to have him on this team if Edmonton feels they need to move on without him and we have something they want for him. Having said that, I think it's dumb to trade a prospect who is showing that he is capable of being a solid player in many facets of the game for a guy who is showing that he may not be all he was cracked up to be at the NHL level.
No incentive to take Hemsky. They can pitch them to the Rangers all they want. We're not trading anything of value for him.
Assuming they'd eat half of Hemsky's salary I would trade Pyatt for him just so that I do not have to watch Pyatt anymore.
Other than that, definitely no interest!As much as some of you don't like hemsky he is an option if they eat some of his salary. If the price Is right I'd add him
Raspewtin
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I don't get Edmonton's confidence that we want a sieve like Ales Hemsky. Small, not a finisher, always injured, awful contract. Yeah sounds great. And we're going to give up a 23 PMD for this guy.
BTW Edmonton is just a terrible ****ing team. This game with them and the Cats is unbearable. Turned it off 15 minutes in.
BTW Edmonton is just a terrible ****ing team. This game with them and the Cats is unbearable. Turned it off 15 minutes in.
2nd intermission of the Oilers-Panthers game. John Shannon does not believe Edmonton will move Yakupov. He thinks Edmonton wants to move Hemsky. Kyper is a rumor monger. He likes to stir the pot. Kyper said Del Zotto is a rushing defenseman. Really? Del Zotto as a starting point. The Rangers need a goal scorer. Yakupov has played less than 10 minutes through 2 periods. He has 1 goal. It looked he started missing shifts at the end of the 2nd period.
Should emphasize that it is 1 goal this season, not one goal through 2 periods.
Reading Edmonton's GDT's Yakupov performance comments is interesting to say the least. Eerily similar to the MDZ comments in most recent NYR GDT, he has earned the ire of quite a few of their fans even in his limited ice time:
Much of it is probably overblown like our own GDT MDZ comments and I'm still interested in taking a chance on him if the price is right, but these are not the kind of comments about a guy you want to pay a premium for. Especially because those comments are from a game that Edmonton is winning.
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TheDoctorLies
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Exactly. Remember the Rick Nash trade threads? The CBJ fans around here thought he was worth Kreider, Stepan, a first round pick, Erixon, and Dubinsky.
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